Skip to comments.Increased Airline Security Has Killed Far More Americans Than 9/11
Posted on 11/30/2012 7:07:59 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
Businessweek points out a staggering study suggesting that the delays and hassle caused by post-9/11 TSA airport screening procedures encouraged travelers to go by car rather than the far safer choice of flying resulting in thousands of extra road fatalities which would not have otherwise occurred, a death toll dwarfing that of the attacks on the Twin Towers:
Created in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Transportation Security Administration has largely outlived its usefulness. These days, the TSAs major role appears to be to make plane trips more unpleasant.
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I never fly anymore. I drive 800 miles when I want to visit the kids instead. I would wind up on the news when I told a TSA goon to kiss my ass.
Good ol Unintended Consequences
On trips under 1,000 miles, I always go by car. If I’m going from the Los Angeles area TO San Francisco, Las Vegas or Phoenix, I can get there from my home faster by car than I can by driving to the airport, going through security, and then flying there.
On a related topic I actually encountered a polite friendly TSA agent in the PBI airport. No I really did. This is something that I have NOT seen in the ATL airport.
I never fly anymore and increased security is only a small part of the problem. Surly airline employees, tiny cramped seats on tiny cramped planes are my biggest complaints. I used to say if I could drive someplace in 4 hours I’ll drive. Now it’s anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere!
Along with the edges of every other item in the picture.
What's your point?
It does the same thing around the edges of most of the buildings, too.
Lossy compression in a JPEG image is noticeable if you look for it.
In spite of overwhelming evidence government operations will fail.
When was the last time you boarded a commercial airliner? What type aircraft was it? How wide was the seat (in inches?) What was the seat pitch (in inches)?
If you're some kind of 9/11 "Truther", please go F@ck off and die.
Are you insane? Do you dare to imply that an airplane didn’t fly into the Tower? If so, please log off and never come back to FR.
That's how digital zoom works.
You imply that the image was photoshopped because of those artifacts.
I think it's just a result of the magnification process, since it exists all over the image.
“What was the seat pitch (in inches)?”
What was the cloth covering the seat made of?
What type aircraft was it?Don't know, it was a 50 seater. I'd refer to it as a commuter jet but I was jammed into it for 2.50 hours...a very long commute!
How wide was the seat (in inches?)About 3 inches less wide than me
What was the seat pitch (in inches)?huh?
That's a "Yes" or "No" question, asshole.
Did you SEE the pixelization around the three buildings I mentioned?
That's another "Yes" or "No" question, asshole, and it has only one true answer. If you claim to have looked and not seen it, I know you're a liar.
I ride aboard commercial aircraft frequently (all too frequently) ... His claims do not match my observations of reality.
We are the ones thinking, you’re the one spouting conspiracy idiocy. The plane is dark because it’s in its own shadow, the sun is low and to the left in the picture, but the plane is banking around. Which is also why the right side of the buildings are dark, we’re seeing the right side (within frame concept) of the plane.
If He was helping us you wouldn’t be here spreading truther nonsense.
Probably shadows, perhaps as the result of the massive farking smoke plum you see?
Seriously, not every little artifact in an image is a result of fakery, and besides, there’s VIDEO of the event in question, taken from live TV.
Seriously, go away. Nobody wants to deal with Truther nonsense.
I fly wayy too frequently as well. I find the entire experience to be uncomfortable at best. I fly often enough to get upgrades to better seats. ones which have a little more space between seats. Towards the back of the plane the spaces are getting smaller.
I usually make it through security fairly quickly at my main airport. There are numerous airports where TSA is extraordinarily slow.
Roughly same for me. Almost always on United or United Express, in my case.
Don't know, it was a 50 seater.
I like those 50 seaters ... they don't have middle seats. It was probably an Embraer or Bombardier. Small aircraft for short hops are nothing new ... perhaps you'd like to go back to turboprops? Maybe a nice DHC-6 Twin Otter? I'll admit the DHC-8 had a taller cabin than most of the small jets, but until very recently they were extremely loud.
So ... the seat was less wide than you. Coach class seats vary from 19 to 22 inches wide, depending on the aircraft. That width hasn't changed in at least 30 years.
Seat pitch is the distance between seat rows, fore and aft. longer pitch means more "leg room"
That is the result of digital photography. Nothing weird. Take any photo off the internet where you have two contrasting colors, zoom in and you'll get the same thing. Here is a random image. Try it. Same 'pixelization' (Not a real word, but heck, I'll play for a while). Simple a fault of image processors.
Are we IBTZ?
Same here. Ain’t seen the inside of an airplane since.
Can anyone name just one single instance of TSA actually apprehending a terrorist?
TSA officer quality definitely varies by city. In Phoenix, they are fairly good - in L.A., they live down to most of the stereotypes.
Oh good grief. Quit listening to Alex Jones. Pixelization(sic) is only slightly different probably due to different image resolutions.
Nutjob conspiracy theorists think there is a conspiracy in every rock just because they are too dumb to know what a rock is and not honest with themselves about how dumb they are.
My wife and I fly to Idaho once a year to visit our son and his family. That's the only time I'll fly...and only then because my wife is with me and I'd have a stroke and die listening to her driving instructions on a cross country trip!
What would the plane look like if the black smoke was directly in line with the sun at the time of the photo?
Any chance that you have the jockey’s phone #?
14 hours by car is my threshold for when I start thinking about flying. By the time I get to the airport (1 hour) in time for my check in and screening (2 hours), board the plane and sit for takeoff (30 minutes), fly to my connection city (1 hour), wait for my layover (minimum 2 hours), fly to my destination city (2-4 hours), get my bags (30 minutes), rent a car (30 minutes), drive to my destination (30 minutes), for a total of 10-11 hours, I’m willing to take an extra three hours riding comfortably in my car. I can also leave any time I want, and I’m not forced into someone else’s schedule at my destination. Flying is just annoying.
I have only taken two commercial flights since the start of the TSA Thug Groping Regime and if one of those two had not been a rush trip, I would have driven it instead. I only took the other trip by air because of the distance. Every other trip has been by personal transportation.
Recall that Senator Charles Schumer (D. NY) assured us that Congress should vote to federalize airline security personnel because they would then be more “professional”.
Thank you Senator Schumer.
Do not post 911 conspiracy crap to FR.
>>Do not post 911 conspiracy crap to FR.<<
2001 or 2012? Or both? Probably both.
Ok you got a deal. I’ll be nice.
The TSA was a bad idea which has only gotten worse since its half-arsed creation.
It’s long past time to eliminate it in favor of Israel-style airport checks.