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Increased Airline Security Has Killed Far More Americans Than 9/11
disinfo.com ^ | 11 28 2012

Posted on 11/30/2012 7:07:59 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

Businessweek points out a staggering study suggesting that the delays and hassle caused by post-9/11 TSA airport screening procedures encouraged travelers to go by car rather than the far safer choice of flying – resulting in thousands of extra road fatalities which would not have otherwise occurred, a death toll dwarfing that of the attacks on the Twin Towers:

Created in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the Transportation Security Administration has largely outlived its usefulness. These days, the TSA’s major role appears to be to make plane trips more unpleasant.

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1 posted on 11/30/2012 7:08:04 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

I never fly anymore. I drive 800 miles when I want to visit the kids instead. I would wind up on the news when I told a TSA goon to kiss my ass.


2 posted on 11/30/2012 7:12:00 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Labor unions are the Communist Party of the USA.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Good ‘ol Unintended Consequences…


3 posted on 11/30/2012 7:12:47 AM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: InvisibleChurch

On trips under 1,000 miles, I always go by car. If I’m going from the Los Angeles area TO San Francisco, Las Vegas or Phoenix, I can get there from my home faster by car than I can by driving to the airport, going through security, and then flying there.


5 posted on 11/30/2012 7:17:22 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
There are a lot of annoyances in flying in addition to the TSA. The TSA is the biggest, but not the only PITA when flying. If your entire family is going it is cheaper to drive than to fly (if you're going less than 800 miles anyway), and you can bring some of your defensive items without the risk of their being stolen or confiscated.

On a related topic I actually encountered a polite friendly TSA agent in the PBI airport. No I really did. This is something that I have NOT seen in the ATL airport.

6 posted on 11/30/2012 7:17:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: InvisibleChurch

I never fly anymore and increased security is only a small part of the problem. Surly airline employees, tiny cramped seats on tiny cramped planes are my biggest complaints. I used to say if I could drive someplace in 4 hours I’ll drive. Now it’s anywhere in the Northern Hemisphere!


7 posted on 11/30/2012 7:18:34 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: ILS21R
look at the rectangular pixelization that surrounds the “airplane”

Along with the edges of every other item in the picture.
What's your point?

8 posted on 11/30/2012 7:19:09 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: ILS21R
Wanna have some fun? Use crtl + to enlarge this photo as much as possible. Then look at the rectangular pixelization that surrounds the “airplane”. Neat huh?

It does the same thing around the edges of most of the buildings, too.

9 posted on 11/30/2012 7:20:00 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Rose, there's a Messerschmitt in the kitchen. Clean it up, will ya?)
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To: ILS21R
Cool ... there's rectangular pixelization around most of the sharp edges in that picture. See the rectangular pixelization around the "building" to the left of the "airplane"? Neat, huh?

Lossy compression in a JPEG image is noticeable if you look for it.

10 posted on 11/30/2012 7:24:24 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

In spite of overwhelming evidence government operations will fail.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 7:25:04 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: from occupied ga
IN the Cincinnati airport, a lot of the little old TSA guys are Shriners. Don't know about the rest of the public, but if you are a patient at the Shriners hospital there, they will know who you are and speed you through. At least that is that is what happened to my daughter.
But then you get to Atlanta...
12 posted on 11/30/2012 7:26:03 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: pgkdan

When was the last time you boarded a commercial airliner? What type aircraft was it? How wide was the seat (in inches?) What was the seat pitch (in inches)?


14 posted on 11/30/2012 7:26:57 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ILS21R
Look at the three largest buildings on the left of the image ... the bldg with the green roof and the bldgs immediately left and right of it. Look at the "bell" logo on the bldg immediately in front of the burning WTC.

If you're some kind of 9/11 "Truther", please go F@ck off and die.

15 posted on 11/30/2012 7:30:35 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ILS21R

Are you insane? Do you dare to imply that an airplane didn’t fly into the Tower? If so, please log off and never come back to FR.


16 posted on 11/30/2012 7:33:22 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: ILS21R
"Use crtl + to enlarge this photo as much as possible. Then look at the rectangular pixelization that surrounds the “airplane”. Neat huh?"

That's how digital zoom works.

17 posted on 11/30/2012 7:33:47 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: ILS21R
Well, I have the luxury of a 21-inch monitor, and if I zoom in the two spires on the left are most pronounced, but the edges (vertical and horizontal) of every building seen against the sky has pixelization to one degree or another.

You imply that the image was photoshopped because of those artifacts.
I think it's just a result of the magnification process, since it exists all over the image.

18 posted on 11/30/2012 7:33:47 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: ArrogantBustard

“What was the seat pitch (in inches)?”

What was the cloth covering the seat made of?


20 posted on 11/30/2012 7:37:46 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
When was the last time you boarded a commercial airliner? October 2012.

What type aircraft was it?Don't know, it was a 50 seater. I'd refer to it as a commuter jet but I was jammed into it for 2.50 hours...a very long commute!

How wide was the seat (in inches?)About 3 inches less wide than me

What was the seat pitch (in inches)?huh?

21 posted on 11/30/2012 7:41:20 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: ILS21R
Did you look for the pixeliztion around the three buildings I mentioned?

Well????

That's a "Yes" or "No" question, asshole.

Answer it.

Did you SEE the pixelization around the three buildings I mentioned?

That's another "Yes" or "No" question, asshole, and it has only one true answer. If you claim to have looked and not seen it, I know you're a liar.

22 posted on 11/30/2012 7:41:54 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: driftdiver
The guy claimed that the aircraft were small and cramped, as were the seats. I asked him to quantify his claims.

I ride aboard commercial aircraft frequently (all too frequently) ... His claims do not match my observations of reality.

23 posted on 11/30/2012 7:44:23 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ILS21R

We are the ones thinking, you’re the one spouting conspiracy idiocy. The plane is dark because it’s in its own shadow, the sun is low and to the left in the picture, but the plane is banking around. Which is also why the right side of the buildings are dark, we’re seeing the right side (within frame concept) of the plane.


24 posted on 11/30/2012 7:44:40 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: ILS21R

If He was helping us you wouldn’t be here spreading truther nonsense.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 7:49:21 AM PST by discostu (Not a part of anyone's well oiled machine.)
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To: ILS21R

Probably shadows, perhaps as the result of the massive farking smoke plum you see?

Seriously, not every little artifact in an image is a result of fakery, and besides, there’s VIDEO of the event in question, taken from live TV.

Seriously, go away. Nobody wants to deal with Truther nonsense.


27 posted on 11/30/2012 7:49:56 AM PST by caldera599
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To: ArrogantBustard

I fly wayy too frequently as well. I find the entire experience to be uncomfortable at best. I fly often enough to get upgrades to better seats. ones which have a little more space between seats. Towards the back of the plane the spaces are getting smaller.

I usually make it through security fairly quickly at my main airport. There are numerous airports where TSA is extraordinarily slow.


28 posted on 11/30/2012 7:50:26 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pgkdan
Thank you .

October 2012.

Roughly same for me. Almost always on United or United Express, in my case.

Don't know, it was a 50 seater.

I like those 50 seaters ... they don't have middle seats. It was probably an Embraer or Bombardier. Small aircraft for short hops are nothing new ... perhaps you'd like to go back to turboprops? Maybe a nice DHC-6 Twin Otter? I'll admit the DHC-8 had a taller cabin than most of the small jets, but until very recently they were extremely loud.

So ... the seat was less wide than you. Coach class seats vary from 19 to 22 inches wide, depending on the aircraft. That width hasn't changed in at least 30 years.

Seat pitch is the distance between seat rows, fore and aft. longer pitch means more "leg room"

29 posted on 11/30/2012 7:53:36 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ILS21R
Wanna have some fun? Use crtl + to enlarge this photo as much as possible. Then look at the rectangular pixelization that surrounds the “airplane”. Neat huh?

That is the result of digital photography. Nothing weird. Take any photo off the internet where you have two contrasting colors, zoom in and you'll get the same thing. Here is a random image. Try it. Same 'pixelization' (Not a real word, but heck, I'll play for a while). Simple a fault of image processors.



30 posted on 11/30/2012 7:55:13 AM PST by mnehring
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To: caldera599; discostu
Last time I checked, Hizzoner the Owner was NOT a fan of 9/11 Troofers ...

Are we IBTZ?

31 posted on 11/30/2012 7:56:03 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Same here. Ain’t seen the inside of an airplane since.


32 posted on 11/30/2012 7:58:52 AM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

Can anyone name just one single instance of TSA actually apprehending a terrorist?


33 posted on 11/30/2012 8:01:04 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

IBTZ


34 posted on 11/30/2012 8:02:14 AM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("The putrid, metastasizing rot of liberalism consumes only the weak minded.")
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35 posted on 11/30/2012 8:02:27 AM PST by RedMDer (Please support Toys for Tots this CHRISTmas season.)
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To: Little Ray

TSA officer quality definitely varies by city. In Phoenix, they are fairly good - in L.A., they live down to most of the stereotypes.


36 posted on 11/30/2012 8:02:39 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: ILS21R

Buh bye...IBTZ.


38 posted on 11/30/2012 8:08:12 AM PST by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: ILS21R

Oh good grief. Quit listening to Alex Jones. Pixelization(sic) is only slightly different probably due to different image resolutions.

Nutjob conspiracy theorists think there is a conspiracy in every rock just because they are too dumb to know what a rock is and not honest with themselves about how dumb they are.

IB4TZ


39 posted on 11/30/2012 8:08:40 AM PST by mnehring
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To: ArrogantBustard
Leg Room?? Ha! I paid $40 extra for Economy Plus seating and then got an emali from United altering me to teh fact that a bulkhead seat was available in the front row for only $19 more. I foolishly bought the bulkhead seat. Not only did it not offer more leg room, there wasn't even enough room for me to sit with my feet flat on the floor. I have large feet but 121/2 isn't huge.

My wife and I fly to Idaho once a year to visit our son and his family. That's the only time I'll fly...and only then because my wife is with me and I'd have a stroke and die listening to her driving instructions on a cross country trip!

40 posted on 11/30/2012 8:10:46 AM PST by pgkdan (We are witnessing the modern sack of Rome. The barbarians have taken over.)
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To: ILS21R

What would the plane look like if the black smoke was directly in line with the sun at the time of the photo?


41 posted on 11/30/2012 8:11:18 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: mnehring

Any chance that you have the jockey’s phone #?


42 posted on 11/30/2012 8:13:36 AM PST by bramps (Sarah Palin got more votes in 2008 than Romney did in 2012)
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To: pgkdan
Amazing ... we can view essentially the same reality, and come away with wildly opposite impressions of it.
45 posted on 11/30/2012 8:49:40 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

14 hours by car is my threshold for when I start thinking about flying. By the time I get to the airport (1 hour) in time for my check in and screening (2 hours), board the plane and sit for takeoff (30 minutes), fly to my connection city (1 hour), wait for my layover (minimum 2 hours), fly to my destination city (2-4 hours), get my bags (30 minutes), rent a car (30 minutes), drive to my destination (30 minutes), for a total of 10-11 hours, I’m willing to take an extra three hours riding comfortably in my car. I can also leave any time I want, and I’m not forced into someone else’s schedule at my destination. Flying is just annoying.


46 posted on 11/30/2012 9:13:31 AM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: InvisibleChurch

I have only taken two commercial flights since the start of the TSA Thug Groping Regime and if one of those two had not been a rush trip, I would have driven it instead. I only took the other trip by air because of the distance. Every other trip has been by personal transportation.

Recall that Senator Charles Schumer (D. NY) assured us that Congress should vote to federalize airline security personnel because they would then be more “professional”.

Thank you Senator Schumer.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 9:22:35 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: ILS21R

Do not post 911 conspiracy crap to FR.


48 posted on 11/30/2012 9:24:11 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

>>Do not post 911 conspiracy crap to FR.<<

2001 or 2012? Or both? Probably both.

Ok you got a deal. I’ll be nice.


49 posted on 11/30/2012 9:51:33 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: InvisibleChurch

The TSA was a bad idea which has only gotten worse since its half-arsed creation.

It’s long past time to eliminate it in favor of Israel-style airport checks.


50 posted on 11/30/2012 10:19:19 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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