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Posted on 11/30/2012 11:17:00 AM PST by Kartographer

Over the last year or so I have written a number of “reports” for our small group that have guided food and water purchase and storage, meds, weapons and ammo, finances, communication, etc. In each of these I have usually tried to look ahead, seeing both the disaster period, survival and then the recovery, if we are skilled and lucky enough to get to that shore. If you manage to survive but are not prepared for the long term recovery what are you going to do, wait for FEMA?

Some of the un-thought of items and ideas that I have addressed:

Water Meds Batteries Tools Materials Fluids

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1 posted on 11/30/2012 11:17:05 AM PST by Kartographer
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Please consider this
our Weekly Preppers’Thread to post progress, good buys, DIY ...

To start things off I opened a jar of rasins I vaccumed pack in March of 2009 to use to do some baking. They were still nice and moist like just out of the box.

I also opened a jar of brown sugar. Other than a few dots of molasses that had accumalated on the coffee filter I used to make sure no sugar was sucked into the vaccum machine it was soft and ready to use.


3 posted on 11/30/2012 11:23:59 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
re: "food and water purchase and storage, meds, weapons and ammo, finances, communication, etc. "

I am working on an inventory to identify what I might still need in an emergency and sorting food by expiration date to cycle through for use and replacement. I have enough food for my family for an extended period, water for a couple weeks plus the means to obtain and purify more, no need for meds for my family, enough weapons and ammo except that I go through 100+ recreational rounds a day so it always has to be replenished, finances good, and communications almost non-existent. Obviously, I may need to work on communications, but I haven't decided what to get. Otherwise, I'm where I want to be in case of a major disaster such as a hurricane, tornado, blizzard, zombie Apocalypse, earthquake, EMP, or communist seizing power from our White House.

4 posted on 11/30/2012 11:54:53 AM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer

I have a question.

I have a jar that I filled with fresh blueberries, sprinkled a teaspoon of salt over them, and then put on the lid.

They look fine and still fresh, and I wonder if they are safe to eat, they are from 2/7/1999.


5 posted on 11/30/2012 12:35:10 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12; ChocChipCookie

Haven’t had any dealing swith blue berries.

ChocoChipCookie?


6 posted on 11/30/2012 12:43:20 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I got the idea from Backwoods Home, but still, 14 years is a long time for storing fresh blueberries, and I wonder if there is a danger in eating them, there is a couple of inches of juice at the bottom of the jar, which would be salty of course, and there isn’t any mold, but I wonder if there is some health hazard.


7 posted on 11/30/2012 12:53:29 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Kartographer

Not much going on here right now. Still making plans for my 3-season camp-out if I can’t find a job by spring. I have a water purifier on my christmas list so I can drink from the river. I’m also keeping an eye out for places with wood pallets stacked outside. I don’t have a place to store them right now, but next spring I’m hoping to scrounge enough of them to build a fence. And maybe a temporary roof.

I’m also tinkering with designs for a pedal-powered garden tractor. I don’t really need to till my soil, but it would be handy to have a disker or cultivator attachment to help clear the weeds, and I could definitely use it for snow plowing after my driveway is dug.

I’ve still got squash from my garden lined up on the kitchen table. Last year it kept until February, and probably would have kept longer if I had let it. This year the skin has more knicks and scrapes on it, so we’ll see if it makes it that long.

I did cut one squash for Thanksgiving, it made a great squash crumble. Not quite as good as apple, but then, I’ll be honest, squash is not my favorite flavor in the world.

I can’t remember ever getting this tense about my gardening plans. It’s weird. I find myself going through last year’s seed catalogs over and over for no reason at all.


8 posted on 11/30/2012 12:58:33 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Kartographer

I dropped dad off for an appointment a couple days ago so paid a visit to the trift store. I was amazed there was nothing “useful” there except a camo print cap which I grabbed (that’s the extent of this week’s preps). The big annual community garage sale a couple months ago was a bust on preps, too. Makes me suspect there are many others out there of the same mind and concerns. High five to dad for completing his set of Foxfire books and getting them on the cheap.


9 posted on 11/30/2012 1:03:39 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Ellendra

When are the new seed catalogs coming out? Tomatoes here need to be started indoors by Christmas. Except for the yellow plum, I’m done with the varieties I have now so need to get some new ones ordered. I had hoped the local stores were getting in their new seed packages but no such luck so looks like I need to get to ordering some.


10 posted on 11/30/2012 1:10:30 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: bgill

Last year the catalogs were out by now, but I sometimes get mine in late December/early January. It varies a lot. I don’t think most seed companies have a strict schedule for them.


11 posted on 11/30/2012 1:15:37 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Ellendra

I thought they were either very late or since I didn’t order last year that I’d been taken off the list. There’s always online.


12 posted on 11/30/2012 1:17:40 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Kartographer

I had a new thought on prepping this morning.

I have decided that I will store up any edible that becomes very cheap. For example, there are certain birds that exist in huge numbers here in the winter. Using a ladder trap you can take thousands if there is predation on your crops. Salted, smoked, and dried the birds represent protein that will keep a long time.

If TSHTF, people will not be picky eaters for long.


13 posted on 11/30/2012 1:18:45 PM PST by darth
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To: ansel12

We have a book on preserving food using salt and other means of perserving it rather than canning or freezing; like people used to have to do before they had the new fangled means of doing it. I don’t know if a teaspoon of salt would preserve fruit adequately or not.


14 posted on 11/30/2012 1:30:40 PM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE of Blacks & Hispanics!)
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To: Kartographer

I’m gonna store nuts in the shells; and some roasted coffee beans. I don’t have all that much confidence that I can roast green ones to do much good.


15 posted on 11/30/2012 1:34:27 PM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE of Blacks & Hispanics!)
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To: bgill

What are the foxfire books?


16 posted on 11/30/2012 1:52:45 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Kartographer
Kart,

I have a question (ok, I just realized I had two questions), I hope you can point me in the right direction.

Question 1:
I am looking for airtight/watertight storage containers, and everything I see doesn't look like it is sealable to the degree I want. Even the rubbermaid storage containers I was looking at weren't watertight. Would you recommend where I need to look?

Question 2:
Vacuum sealed jars sound heavy, are there options to vacuum seal bags? I mean that really work? The reason I am asking, is that we have in our family a recipe for the base of a cream soup, all powered ingredients and you just add water (2 cups) and a protein of your choice once you are ready to make the actually soup. I want to do it up in prepared portions and then vacuum seal them for easy use later. I figure I will just print the recipe on big stickers and put in on the packages.

Thanks!

RS

17 posted on 11/30/2012 2:23:22 PM PST by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: Kartographer

Good link. Found lots of stuff to read too. Thinking that Doom & Bloom Survival Medicine Handbook might be good. My Dad was a paramedic.

After his stroke(he had difficulty speaking), I read a bunch of stuff, and bought a couple of PDRs at the Medical College, so I could better understand and communicate with his doctors.

I think this book might be a good addition to my collection.


18 posted on 11/30/2012 2:24:33 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: bgill; Ellendra

Baker’s Creek Seeds is ready to sell their heirloom seeds for 2013, just go to their website-you can also order a catalog.


19 posted on 11/30/2012 2:32:09 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: RikaStrom

Would you please consider sharing that family recipe?


20 posted on 11/30/2012 2:35:21 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: RikaStrom

Would you please consider sharing that family recipe?


21 posted on 11/30/2012 2:35:21 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes; SeaDragon
Oh, absolutely!! I am sorry for not doing so when I first posted. I was focused on the containers. I'm pretty sure that many families have a similar recipe, especially those that came through the depression.

You just have to shake it up periodically on the shelves, and it's good to go.

Cream Soup Base - makes 4 to 6 cups as currently written

Base:
1 cup non fat dried milk powder
1 Tbls dried onion flakes
2 Tbls corn starch
2 Tbls chicken bouillon granules
1/2 tsp dried basil
1/2 tsp dried thyme
1/4 tsp black pepper

Mix all ingredients and store in an airtight container.

Main ingredients:
For a soup base, add 2 cups cold water and heat over medium heat. Stir constantly until soup thickens.

Anything you want making up to 4-6 cups including the base.

22 posted on 11/30/2012 2:48:44 PM PST by RikaStrom ("To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." ~Voltaire)
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To: RikaStrom

5-6 gallon food grade buckets come with very tight lids with ‘o’ rings.

The bags are good, but will eventually alow air in. I have also had a few come usealed. I’ve never hame a canning jar fail to seal and stay sealed.


23 posted on 11/30/2012 2:50:56 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: tbw2
What are the foxfire books?

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Foxfire-Book-List/lm/R2QLIXHWUXZ6QT

24 posted on 11/30/2012 2:58:24 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: bgill
Tomatoes here need to be started indoors by Christmas.

My hydroponics tomatoes just started producing after sitting dormant all summer.

25 posted on 11/30/2012 3:00:21 PM PST by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: RikaStrom

Thanks very much.


26 posted on 11/30/2012 3:34:54 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

I have a question from one of the other threads. We were talking about using a can, toilet paper, and alchol to create a little stove.

So I had pored a little alcohol into a plastic container to sanitize a thermometer holder, and had some left over, so I made a really small one with some toilet paper and left over alcohol.

It worked great. Hubby came home and asked me why do you put toilet paper in it, since the alcohol will burn anyway. I just said, I have no idea. So does any one know the answer?


27 posted on 11/30/2012 3:42:38 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Kartographer

Long story short...we’re getting cookies?


28 posted on 11/30/2012 4:37:50 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: greeneyes

Thanks, will do.


29 posted on 11/30/2012 4:52:42 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: tbw2; Sarajevo; RikaStrom

Thanks to Sarajevo for posting a link for the Foxfire books. They’re great for old time how to and lore. If nothing drastic happens, they’re fun to read. There are about a dozen volumes.

Another good book/s is/are the Tightwad Gazette by Amy Dacyczyn. Hers are directed more to frugal living but has basic recipes like Rika’s above posted soup base. FYI, the yogurt recipe, though not for hit the fan days, is foolproof.

http://www.amazon.com/Complete-Tightwad-Gazette-Amy-Dacyczyn/dp/0375752250/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354323309&sr=1-1&keywords=tightwad+gazette


30 posted on 11/30/2012 5:11:25 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Kartographer
Scales. It's important sometimes to be able to weigh something. I've got my digital kitchen scales that go up to 2 kg, and for me, that will handle most things.

/johnny

31 posted on 11/30/2012 5:30:26 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer

Stanley Thermos Lifetime Warranty

Do you know that Stanley and Aladdin stainless steel thermos bottles have a lifetime warranty. Older bottles were marketed under the Aladdin brand name. Newer bottles are branded Stanley.

If a Stanley or Aladdin thermos fails to keep the contents hot or cold Stanley will replace it at no charge.

You simply call the company and they will ask for the information stamped on the bottom of the thermos, ask a few questions about possible damage (voids the warranty) and to make sure you are using it correctly (that you pre-heat or pre-cool it).
No proof of purchase is required and you do not have to send the old one in as proof it is bad.

Of course they do not warranty just the plastic stopper so if that is the only problem you will have to replace it yourself.

The bottles generally run about $30 to $50 so it is worth the time to call for a replacement.

After at least 25 years I had an old one quart Aladdin thermos go bad a few years ago.
I finally got around to calling the company about a year ago and a new one arrived in about 10 days.
The one they sent lists for $35 and sells for $30 on Amazon.

Recently I just had a very old 2 quart with a handle go bad, called the company and a new one is on the way.
This one lists for $50 on the Stanley site and sells for $34 on Amazon.

Here is the site and contact info:

http://www.stanley-pmi.com/about-us/contact-us

Consumer Inquiries and Warranty Support
Toll free: 1-800-251-4535
Monday – Friday (closed on public holidays)
7am – 5pm PST
Email: info@stanley-pmi.com


32 posted on 11/30/2012 5:37:42 PM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Kartographer

Low cost and no electronics required Security...

It may not work for everyone, I just hung 3 mirrors... 2 in my living room, when I walk in to the living room now I can see both sides of my front door (I have a big window in the living room), I don’t need to look through the peep hole. I put another mirror in the kids room that lets me see through their window another angle of the front door... all from a distance.

Of course the shades need to be open for this to work

TT


33 posted on 11/30/2012 6:15:28 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Kartographer

I also just went through all of my canned goods to check expiration’s and condition... found some with dents, some with rust and a couple of bulged cans ... moved them to where they needed to be and made a list of what I need to replace.

Long Term Water is my biggest concern ... I have a well on site but a broke pump and now it is just a $ problem... I want both a manual pump and the electric pump ... what I want and what I end up with may be a tad different.

TT


34 posted on 11/30/2012 6:24:38 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Pollster1

Almost to where you are at ... if I could just find the time to go through 100 rounds per day and still have time to clean my Arms.

TT


35 posted on 11/30/2012 6:28:05 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Ellendra

*****” I find myself going through last year’s seed catalogs over and over for no reason at all.”*****

I’m doing the same thing... but with Chickens

;^)

TT


36 posted on 11/30/2012 6:30:12 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: Kartographer

Just got my Dehydrator and my adapter for my “Seal a Meal”

I was wanting to make packs of meals where I just add water, cook and eat.

My first batch of dehydrating is going to be Onions and Celery then I will see what is on sale...

Anyone dehydrated Squash?

TT

Wish I could dehydrate beer ... sure gonna miss it


37 posted on 11/30/2012 6:38:53 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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To: RikaStrom

bump


38 posted on 11/30/2012 6:53:27 PM PST by WhirlwindAttack (FUBO)
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To: greeneyes

Put more alcohol in it and use it again and again and......


39 posted on 11/30/2012 7:09:22 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Well, the toilet paper was all burned up, but he could smell the burnt paper odor.

So my question is, do you have to put the toilet paper in the can, or can you just pour some alcohol in the can and light it up?

Another issue - I am so excited! I found the sterno stove on Amazon for just under 10 bucks. Years ago(1975 IIRC) we bought a collapsible sterno stove which we used when backpacking. Some where along the line it got misplaced and Walmart never seemed to have any more.

I always keep a stack of sterno packs around in case of power failure and coffee withdrawal/craving. So I had rigged up a gizmo to use. It was a little unstable, but now that I am looking at bug out and get home bags, I wanted to get some more.

These little stoves are the greatest. Fold up into a very little package and will slip right into your backpack. Gives a very stable small cooking base that works great on the trail(and that coffee can will fit just fine). You can use lots of differnet fuel besides sterno, even charcoal, thought it will tarnish the finish.

So glad to see they still make them and the cost is so reasonable. I’ll be adding these to the kids auto kits as well as getting mine for the auto and in home.


40 posted on 11/30/2012 7:57:19 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: greeneyes

The toilet paper is what gives you a slower consistent burn. Otherwise WOOOOSH!!!!


41 posted on 11/30/2012 8:21:26 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

A laryngoscope?

whoa....


42 posted on 11/30/2012 8:22:58 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; All
I'm preparing to buy new Tenergy D rechargeable batteries, 8,000 mAh - 18 of them for my lanterns and fans. Rechargeable 1,000 times and keep the charge 70% after two years. No memory effect.

Maybe you all know the rechargeables you get at regular stores, Energizer, RayoVac, Duracell, have been knocked down in power - the body is the size of a D, but there is AA power inside. Maybe that's okay for an unimportant item but in an emergency situation I want my lanterns and fans to keep going, not crapping out in a short time.

I'm also buying a 20 watt solar panel with smart charger that plugs into solar panel for recharging these Ds in 4-5 hours. AAs take 3 hours, so maybe Ds will be “done” in that 4-5 hour time.

My electrical engineer relative came for Thanksgiving and he checked my old rechargeables and only three of those could be saved.

I've already bought bunches of Sanyo new AAs that charge 1,500 times and keep their charge a long time - at 75% strength after three years. No memory effect.

43 posted on 11/30/2012 8:28:18 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: greeneyes
“I always keep a stack of sterno packs around in case of power failure and coffee withdrawal/craving.”

I have at least 5 Sterno stoves and enough canned heat to cook - a year. Easy way to cook inside house. Got those Sterno stoves back in 1999.

Guys have all this big stuff to use outside, and that's fine, but when I get up, still in jammies, I want coffee and something fast to warm/cook. A can of canned heat serves that purpose and for warming anything. I don't think guys are much into canned heat, but there is a lot guys don't know. Simple is better than overkill.

44 posted on 11/30/2012 8:42:57 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Marcella
I used to buy sterno by the case for use under chafing dishes when I was catering.

You might look at AceMart's web site and look at their prices for bulk sterno.

I've cooked on everything from open fires to the most modern commercial induction ranges (hated those).

Personally, I'll take whatever is available, but coffee needs to be fast and easy in the morning, or someone's getting hurt. ;)

Sterno and my camp coffee pot work just fine for that.

/johnny

45 posted on 11/30/2012 8:57:19 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TexasTransplant
I have dehydrated summer squash. I sliced it very thinly on my mandolin and made squash chips. They were very tasty. I know people puree winter squash and pumpkin and dry it like fruit leather.
46 posted on 11/30/2012 9:11:29 PM PST by goosie
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To: Kartographer

Comments:
-For water, consider a cistern and/or rain barrels, particularly if in an area that gets significant rain. The water can be easily purified/boiled/filtered. You’d be surprised how much water is caught on a roof.


47 posted on 11/30/2012 9:13:58 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: Marcella
Just moments ago I converted my Schlitz Long Neck bottle flashlight into an LED flashlight.

I used an LED drop-in and D battery adapters for AA Tenergy rechargeables.

I am now "prepped" as they say with a truly camouflaged flashlight with a much longer battery life.

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48 posted on 11/30/2012 9:19:07 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: JRandomFreeper
“You might look at AceMart’s web site and look at their prices for bulk sterno.”

I don't need any more - have enough for a year. I calculated how long one burned and how long I would need one or two burning at the same time, put that all together, and got enough to last a year.

You're a smart person and a chef and you understand the beauty of canned heat, especially in the morning. I have other ways to cook and the fuel for each, but for simplicity of coffee and heating soup, etc., canned heat is my choice.

When hurricane Rita came through here, power was off and my husband walked outside with his hot coffee and a neighbor lady asked him how he got hot coffee. He told her and brought her a cup and also offered her a can of canned heat and a Sterno Stove and she wouldn't take it because she had never seen one. This lady is a BANKER and she was afraid of canned heat because she didn't know what it was.

Some people you just can't help. She and her son ate cold sandwiches for four days. My husband kept taking her hot coffee every morning.

We were using the canned heat in the morning but for lunch/dinner, we sat under the roof over a patio and cooked nice meals on a propane grill.

We stayed cool using battery fans and could sleep at night through the heat, due to those fans.

I don't know why people around here who know a hurricane may come, do absolutely nothing to prepare until the day before the hurricane gets here, then they take off to the grocery for water and tuna to live on.

49 posted on 11/30/2012 9:21:37 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today.)
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To: Marcella

When buying rechargeables, remember that the LSD versions are the new break through and is what most of us were looking for, and all of us were looking for, for some applications, but if you have something that you are going to use heavily, and frequently, and will be recharging every month or two anyway, then you may want to use the non-LSD batteris for that, because you can get higher mAh numbers, for instance 2700 mAh AAs instead of 2000s mAh.

People who use their cameras constantly for instance.


50 posted on 11/30/2012 9:26:40 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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