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Posted on 11/30/2012 8:05:10 PM PST by Vinylly

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To: FamiliarFace; All
Shalom & Blessings!

May I suggest to You Four Very Important Gifts:

1. The Geneva BIBLE 1599 A.D.

2. A Movie/Documentary entitled: "MONUMENTAL" Narrated by Christian Actor: Kirk Cameron.

3. Tyrrany And Liberty - By Mark Levin.

4. The American Ideology - By Brian Vanyo (Ret. Navy Vet).

All of these reading and viewing materials should keep your Nephew very busy and he just may LEARN Something about his COUNTRY!

GOD BLESS AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU AND YOURS!

Simcha7.

51 posted on 11/30/2012 9:15:22 PM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: Vinylly

A Land Remembered by Patrick Smith. Made readers of all my boys! Is possibly the best boy/man book EVER!


52 posted on 11/30/2012 9:15:59 PM PST by awin
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To: Vinylly
I'm not sure if he'll read anything you give him, but you can try.

Some of the most influential books my husband and I both read in our late teens were the Space Trilogy by C.S. Lewis. There's just enough geek in there for geeks to like. They are profoundly conservative. (Titles: Out of the Silent Planet, Perelandra & That Hideous Strength).

If he has long trips in the car, you might consider audio books to listen to on his iPhone, if he has one. He can wear a wireless bluetooth device on his ear to listen. That's what my husband does to get his book fix in these days. My kids really appreciate audio books in the car.

Andrew Klavan (an awesome conservative commenter from PJTV) has written a youth thriller series called the Homelanders series.

This is the latest: If We Survive.

I think these are short and thrilling enough to keep a kid's attention.

53 posted on 11/30/2012 9:16:30 PM PST by agrarianlady
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To: Simcha7; All
CORRECTION!

That should Be...GRANDSON...NOT NEPHEW!

Sorry....About That!

54 posted on 11/30/2012 9:18:24 PM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: fso301

I vote for the bow..If he is that old and not handled fire arms he might hurt himself.


55 posted on 11/30/2012 9:20:54 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Neidermeyer

good point


56 posted on 11/30/2012 9:21:41 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Vinylly

Ah the issue of what shall the grandma get the grandchild for Christmas. I have an XBox at my house and my youngest grandson is interested in all things cars so we have every car game ever made and I play them with him. He spends more time going through all the design and redesign phase of the cars than playing the games. He thinks it’s cool because no one else has a grannie that plays the XBox with their grandsons. He and I have also been to every car lot in Houston at one time or another and we always go to the car shows - not one of my interests but.... What you do with them is more important in the long run than what you buy them.

I would stay away from the books if he isn’t interested or take him to a book store and let him pick out something that interests him, although it may not interest you. I would think that as an obviously very concerned grandmother, your first issue would be to get him to read. Then you could work on the issue of steering him in the direction of preferred topics. Maybe get him his own subscription to a gun or auto magazine. Membership at a gun club and a gift certificate for range time where we went together turned out be the gift that the oldest grandson appreciated the most. I also bought him a set of golf clubs and a series of lessons and we play golf together.

The book store at our church had a Bible especially edited for teenage boys. I gave it to the oldest several years ago just as a gift but not for Christmas. He has looked at it on occasion and will read it in his own time. eventually.


57 posted on 11/30/2012 9:24:57 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Vinylly

get him an Ak-47 semi auto. I got one for my kid when she turned 12. She liked it better than any of her other birthday presents that year.


58 posted on 11/30/2012 9:26:19 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas; All
Shalom!

WOW!...NOW THAT'S MY KIND OF...PICK UP!

AND LOOK AT THE EYE CANDY ON TOP!!! POP...GOES THE WEASEL!

I LOVE GOD & COUNTRY....TEXAS, BIG GUNS...AND HER BAD OL' COUNTRY BOYS TOO!

MERRY CHRISTMAS & GOD BLESS!

Simcha7

59 posted on 11/30/2012 9:27:33 PM PST by Simcha7 ((The Plumb - Line has been Drawn, T'shuvah/Return for The Kingdom of HaShem is at hand!))
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To: Simcha7

You really think a 16 yo is going to read that? LOL


60 posted on 11/30/2012 9:28:41 PM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: KTM rider

Lionshead, Keystone or Beaver is much less expensive. There is also the Snow Bowl in Flagstaff where you can also go to the Grand Canyon and take a burro ride from the top of the rim to the floor of the Canyon or rent some four wheelers and take the tour through Box Canyon. Tons of fun things to do with grandchildren.


61 posted on 11/30/2012 9:29:40 PM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Vinylly
Not sure this will be of much help, but these are some of the books I read when I was 16:
62 posted on 11/30/2012 9:31:26 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Vinylly

Get him some lessons - guitar, skiing, golf, flying, etc. or some range time - golf, bow, shooting, etc.


63 posted on 11/30/2012 9:31:34 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Jet Jaguar
Try Earth Abides by George Stewart.

I'm glad to see that George Stewart is still being read.

64 posted on 11/30/2012 9:35:24 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Vinylly

How about a girlfriend? ...just kidding!

I think I’d run the gun thing by Mom or Dad first.


65 posted on 11/30/2012 9:41:09 PM PST by Sparticus (Tar and feathers for the next dumb@ss Republican that uses the word bipartisanship.)
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To: Simcha7
MERRY CHRISTMAS & GOD BLESS!

Right back at ya!

66 posted on 11/30/2012 9:42:44 PM PST by DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
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To: Vinylly

There was a series of books called Casca published a while back that was a blend of history and fiction. They have a little bit of man chases woman stuff in them but it’s not over the top. The central figure is a Roman soldier, Casca, the one who stuck the spear in Christ, and in the book he is cursed to never die until the world ends. He wanders through all manner of civilizations - Persians, Mongols, Aztecs, etc, and across continents and the sea through the centuries as a mercenary, sometimes getting captured and sold into slavery, and other times triumphant, even gaining promotions and power along the way which he can never keep too long. You can get a taste of history and archaeology, ancient tools and weapons and terminology thrown in that may spark your kid into looking at history not as a dull class in school but a source just as gripping as a video game. Casca can receive mortal wounds, and endure all the sorrows of a normal man but he must always return, and because he does not age he cannot remain forever in one spot. I liked the books and my brother liked them when he was a few years older than your son, so check them out.


67 posted on 11/30/2012 9:48:10 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Neidermeyer

A guitar and some tattoos. He’ll have a better chance at making a good living then trying to get a decent job in Osama’s economy.


68 posted on 11/30/2012 10:01:19 PM PST by Blackirish
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To: Vinylly

Moisin-nagant rifle with 400 rounds of ammo usually a package deal. And a PAST shoulder pad. He will treasure it for the rest of his life.


69 posted on 11/30/2012 10:04:31 PM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Vermont Lt

I read Atlas Shrugged at 14.....at 16 I was reading Buckley and Von Mises.


71 posted on 11/30/2012 10:19:26 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Vinylly

SInce you live in Washington why not something local? Dixie Lee Ray’s “Environmental Overkill” would be a most excellent book for a young techno geek to read


72 posted on 11/30/2012 10:25:57 PM PST by Nifster
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To: KTM rider

Best recommendation thus far.


73 posted on 11/30/2012 10:29:16 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Vinylly
Get him one of these and some reloading equipment.

:^)

74 posted on 11/30/2012 10:29:30 PM PST by Disambiguator (America chose...poorly.)
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To: Vinylly
1. Bible, WITH SOMETHING PERSONAL, from you to him, written in the inside cover.

2. Gun IF his parents will allow it.

3. He's NOT going to grow up and be 35 years old playing his xbox...so, maybe relax a tad. Just a tad. You mentioned he's on the computer? AND he likes his Xbox?

See if he'll read something like this!

Or...This perhaps?

Just don't nag him about reading, whatever you do. Find something he'll be interested in. He'll do the typical teen thing and act UNinterested, yet in his room with the door closed, he may just peek inside that book. If he's on the computer...he's already reading. Now, let's hope and pray the sites he's visiting are OK.

75 posted on 11/30/2012 11:02:10 PM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: satan69

Oh, the devil with you.


76 posted on 11/30/2012 11:29:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vinylly

too much time on the computer doing WHAT?


77 posted on 11/30/2012 11:31:27 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vinylly
I disagree with most of this. It's hard to know what to give without meeting him, but IMO, if he doesn't read by now, he won't start if you give him books now. Another thing I would be wary of getting him his first gun at 16. Waiting that long to start is sometimes dangerous, especially if he plays video games all day. They tend to "Rambo" out when they see a real gun. I started at 8 with my father and later joined a rifle club. I would have been beaten if I touched a gun without supervision before I was about 9-10. I had to get the seal of approval from Dad to earn that trust. We went target shooting and hunting till he was satisfied I wasn't crazy. I won many patches and medals shooting in the local NRA club. Starting at 17, you just can't be sure what he thinks about safety. I just think you have to be raised around guns with stiff rules to get that engrained in your genes. Just ask him what he's interested in and go from there. Chances are you will end up buying him another video game just like 90% of the other families. If you do decide on a gun, make SURE you set aside many hours to teach him the proper safety rules. YOU can't hit this a lick and a promise and then disappear. It will end badly. Another thing is to take him hunting with his rifle. He should see what real life is when you pull the trigger, including skinning and gutting. How many kids shoot birds, dogs, cats, and other animals and then don't eat them? They have to respect life, or they don't deserve a gun. Judge yourself and his family to see what their feelings are about a gun. Mom may not want a gun in the house. What does that do? Makes him sneak around to get his own gun out to "play " with it. Not good.

As for me, when I was 17 I had my girlfriend in the back seat of my '67 Camero I bought with my own money while working. I was already over guns and books and moving on to other things. Course, I got the gun back when I went into the Army the next year. Now, I had 33 guns until that unfortunate boating accident. I still reload though just in case I find them again when a Republican is president.

78 posted on 11/30/2012 11:35:15 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Vinylly

Does he have the computer game Civilization?

If not, you should get the latest version. You are a famous ruler from history and and your own civilization starts in the Stone Age and progresses through each stage of development in agriculture, technology, culture, religion, trade, government. You meet other important historical leaders along the way, from all different continents and periods of history.

You can win by conquest, diplomacy, cultural or scientific dominance or just outlasting the other rulers.

There is plenty of reading in it, as there is background info on things like architecture and inventions, and quotes by famous figures are included. The music is also historical.

I think it is a great way to teach the achievements of Western Culture, and it is conservative-friendly. Representative government and economic freedom are valued, and faith is part of life.

Everybody in my family plays it occasionally, except me. For some reason it stresses me out to be in charge of a civilization. I worry about my citizens too much. But we have all learned something from it.


79 posted on 11/30/2012 11:41:59 PM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: DeepInTheHeartOfTexas
Good old Rat Patrol:


80 posted on 11/30/2012 11:43:53 PM PST by iowamark
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To: chuckles

And why doesn’t the grandparent speak with the parent involved anyhow. If it’s to be a gun there are umpty-ump laws that one could run afoul of depending on where it is. Some places are even uptight about paint ball guns. If the kid’s gung ho to shoot that’s not necessarily a BAD thing, but maybe an air gun would be more suitable depending on circumstance.


81 posted on 11/30/2012 11:45:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Vinylly
I got my 15 year old niece a Jaxx bean bag chair and some Honor Harrington books. Don't tell her.


82 posted on 12/01/2012 12:33:12 AM PST by Casie (Chuck Norris 2016)
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To: Vinylly

OK. I spoke with He Who Has An Xbox. He said that he totally agreed with what I wrote. He also said the odds of your grandson reading, if he doesn’t want to...are great, even if you got him a book.

One tip He Who Has An Xbox said...if you REALLY WANT to get him a book, find out what kind of games he’s playing. If they’re science fiction, the odds are better that he “may” read a science fiction book. Ditto with “fantasy” games. (whatever that is...).

He Who Has An Xbox has spoken. :)


83 posted on 12/01/2012 12:33:52 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Vinylly

Believe it or not, perhaps magazine subscriptions would be a very good idea to give. I started sending my first cousin many magazine subscriptions that I happened to get for free, and he now tells me that his 2 boys, both teenagers, now fight to see who gets to read which one first when they arrive each month.


84 posted on 12/01/2012 3:07:07 AM PST by rawhide
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I like the idea of books for your grandson, but the ones you’ve picked out are pretty heavy going for someone who at present doesn’t read much. I read a lot of Heinlein as a kid, and when I finally encountered Ayn Rand, her ideas were not so much revolutionary to me as “old home week” since Heinlein had already covered the same territory, only with more interesting action.

So I will echo the suggestion of Heinlein’s “Starship Troopers” (the very good book, not the execrable movie), or his novel, “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.” Also any of Heinlein’s “juvenile” books such as “Tunnel in the Sky” (but avoid anything published after about 1961, when he struck out in a new direction).

Terry Pratchett, a modern fantasy novelist, is pretty conservative in his outlook, and your grandson might enjoy the fantasy angle. I suggest “Night Watch” or “Guards! Guards!”

Also I was surprised at how libertarian/conservative the recent novel “The Hunger Games” is. Your grandson might actually read that since some of his friends may have read it.

Ditto married21’s suggestion on the Civilization game. Sounds like a good prospect. Remember, if he won’t crack open the book or take a peek at the game, he won’t get anything out of it at all! Best of luck!


85 posted on 12/01/2012 3:10:26 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert (FUBO, and the useful idiots you rode in on!)
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To: Vinylly

If he doesn’t read books, don’t buy him books... they’ll sit on the shelf.

I’m with the “get him a gun” crowd. Ruger 10/22, perfect!


86 posted on 12/01/2012 3:22:07 AM PST by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: struggle
Get him a .38 Taurus or a CZ52 and a copy of “Starship Troopers”

I'd second "Starship Troopers". "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is also a good read with a libertarian basis.

87 posted on 12/01/2012 4:24:53 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Vinylly

MONEY or a gift card. I have a 17 year old and she picks out her own gifts and I wrap them.


88 posted on 12/01/2012 5:11:44 AM PST by angcat
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To: Vinylly

A tank of gas for his car.


89 posted on 12/01/2012 5:20:51 AM PST by DYngbld (I have read the back of the Book and we WIN!!!!)
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To: svcw; All

First stop worrying about the computer games.
Computer games develop math skills as the player must develop skills in sequential reasoning.
Reading the instructions is reading.
Kids will read a book if the book is interesting, problem for 16 year olds is most stuff is just not interesting.
Find a common interest between you and your grandson and buy that book, do not try and foist your interests on him - common interest is the key.
Teach him love him.......that is what is important


The best advice! Well said


90 posted on 12/01/2012 6:57:24 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Illegal Aliens do not pay Social Security...Employers do)
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To: svcw

To: Vinylly
Oh, and another thing.
My husband bough a junker for our daughter.........

The pot calling the kettle black?


91 posted on 12/01/2012 7:09:00 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: svcw

To: Vinylly
Oh, and another thing.
My husband bough a junker for our daughter.........

The pot calling the kettle black?


92 posted on 12/01/2012 7:09:00 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: svcw

My ex always insisted the kids know how to change a flat tire, jump start their car and change the oil before they were allowed to even touch a set of car keys. The daughter - who was really cute and had a gazillion boyfriends - told her dad that if she wasn’t smart enough to figure out how to get one of the guys to change a flat tire for her, she wasn’t smart enough to be driving. Just one of the many challenges he faced with her. But I just left them alone and let them work it out.


93 posted on 12/01/2012 7:22:06 AM PST by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Vinylly

What kind of computer games does he play? The subject matter of the games may help in deciding what kind of books to get him.

As a gamer and a reader I tend to cover the same subjects in my gaming and reading. If he plays a lot of sports games, then a good book covering the sport or sports, science fiction, then a good Science Fiction book, Fantasy, then a good Fantasy book, historical, then a good history book on the same subject, the same applies to any subject.

Once we (ie: Freepers) known the subject matter, then we can give you better suggestions.

Also, if he is interested in something on the computer, chances are he’ll be interested in it off the computer. So again, if we know the subject matter, we might give you some ideas to get him out into real life.


94 posted on 12/01/2012 7:38:16 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps
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To: Vinylly

Get him socks, he’ll remember this Christmas forever........


95 posted on 12/01/2012 7:40:55 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Progov

Huh?
I do not know what you mean.


96 posted on 12/01/2012 7:56:57 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Vinylly

“Chicken soup for the teen age soul”. Different books for the various age categories. latest publication 8/12 Amazon


97 posted on 12/01/2012 8:09:13 AM PST by capt B
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To: Vinylly
Once any “kid” in my family reaches the age of 12 up to the age of 20 (we don’t exchange gifts between adults) – gift cards! I get them either a no fee Visa gift card that they can use anywhere for anything or a gift card from a major retailer like Target or Wal-Mart or a gift card from Barnes & Noble if and only if they are into books, or even better yet, a gift card from Amazon!

No matter how much I think I’m “hip” to what I think they want, I’m pretty much clueless, just as most adults were when I was that age ; ),

As an avid reader, I appreciated some of the books I received as Christmas presents and then again, some not so much. And I can’t tell you how many really fugly sweaters I got from my grandmother that soon ended up in the Salvation Army bin.

IMO, a Christmas gift should be given in the spirit of giving something to someone that they really want and will appreciate, not giving a gift that the giver perceives that the recipient should appreciate based on what the giver likes.

I am however thinking of giving my 19 year old college student great niece who holds two part time jobs to pay her tuition and keep her car crappy used car running, a AAA membership and perhaps a gift card for gasoline. I think that would be appreciated and would be very practical.

98 posted on 12/01/2012 8:10:25 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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To: struggle

what is Stand?


99 posted on 12/02/2012 9:36:53 AM PST by spacejunkie2001
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