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Student-Athlete with Down Syndrome, Originally Denied Chance to Play, Becomes State Champion
HLI World Watch ^ | NOVEMBER 28, 2012 | ADAM CASSANDRA

Posted on 12/01/2012 2:54:29 PM PST by lyby

Student-athlete Eric Dompierre is a state champion football player, winner of Sports Illustrated’s “Underdogs” contest and an all-around inspirational young man. And he has Down syndrome.

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Eric and his father, Dean, fought for two years trying to convince the MHSAA to create a waiver policy allowing student-athletes with disabilities to play one year past the current maximum age.

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“I’m very excited,” Eric said after learning that he would be allowed to play football.

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His football team, the Hematites, went on to win the MHSAA Division 7 state football championship last Friday with a near flawless season record. Eric kicked a number of extra points and even scored a touchdown during their championship season.

(Excerpt) Read more at hliworldwatch.org ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: athletics; downsyndrome
From the article: “While studies have found that around 90 percent of women who receive a prenatal diagnosis of Down syndrome choose to have an abortion…”

My husband and I chose NOT to have the tests that diagnosis DS because the chances of aborting a healthy fetus due to the procedure was pretty much equal to the chance that I would have a DS child.

1 posted on 12/01/2012 2:54:42 PM PST by lyby
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To: lyby

Past the age limit eh?

..... sarcasm alert.....

How about we put full grown men in little league? He might reach the championships!!

It’ll be heartwarming to watch him plow through those kids and make a touhdown.

...... end sarcasm ......


2 posted on 12/01/2012 2:58:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

What a hateful thing to say.


3 posted on 12/01/2012 3:04:20 PM PST by Eva
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To: lyby
They're the best friends you'll ever have.

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4 posted on 12/01/2012 3:05:29 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: GeronL
???WTF???
5 posted on 12/01/2012 3:06:30 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Eva; GeronL

Yes. However, he did write it with sarcasm.


6 posted on 12/01/2012 3:06:33 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: SkyDancer
I have known two Downs people. They were both a joy to be with. Women who kill them before birth don't know what they are missing.
7 posted on 12/01/2012 3:09:10 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: lyby; Eva

I was just taking the year past the age limit to an extreme


8 posted on 12/01/2012 3:10:59 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SkyDancer

Indeed, I know! My cousin, John, is 36 years old... I am looking for a pic of us... He is a BLESSING! Remembers everybody’s birthdays...


9 posted on 12/01/2012 3:12:43 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Like this precious one.

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10 posted on 12/01/2012 3:16:50 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: GeronL; Eva

Actually, “my point” for posting the article is about NOT aborting children because they may have DS.

How wonderful that this child, who happens to be DS, had the opportunity to live a dream...


11 posted on 12/01/2012 3:17:01 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

>> My husband and I chose NOT to have the tests that diagnosis DS because the chances of aborting...

Many parents share you view.


12 posted on 12/01/2012 3:20:01 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Gene Eric

Perhaps (I pray) they do...

However, according to the article:

“While studies have found that around 90 percent of women who receive a prenatal diagnosis of Down syndrome choose to have an abortion…”

I find that 90% to be very disconcerting...


13 posted on 12/01/2012 3:23:18 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: lyby

Just wondering what the infant death toll is to date since Roe vs Wade was enacted; by law, not by voter choice.


14 posted on 12/01/2012 3:29:10 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: lyby

I work with several schools where Down’s syndrome folks are “included” in the football organizations. As someone that works on the sidelines for a living I need to be able to move quickly from place to place. I find them to be a pain in the ass. They block my way, they are aggressive, and they interrupt my ability to get my job done.

They might be a joy at home, but adult DS folks on the sidelines are a problem.

For example, one followed me for a quarter trying to get me to constantly take his picture, or prevent me from taking shots of the other team.

One blocked my way because “I wasn’t on the team.” Which meant he did not know me. He was getting pretty billegerent before one of his handlers jumped in to help.

One who kept screwing up a team picture. What should have taken two minutes took twenty minutes.. If it were just my twenty minutes, that would be one thing. But there were 147 people in this college football team photo. You think I was the only one pissed?

Then there was the “slow” guy who had become somewhat of a mascot. He sent out emails to all of the team members explaining where they could find the pictures online, how to access them with a password that was supposed to be held by the Athletc Department Staff, and he explained how to download the game photos—because he did not think they should have to pay for them. It cost me about $1,500.

Being a member of society means there is a time and a place for behavior. When people are allowed to roam through an environment they are not capable of handling, you will get bad results.

There is a running comment among sideline folks and refs, and that is, “ these days, every team has one.”

And yes, I have a DS adult in my family. And yes, my wife and I were faced with the prospect of aborting a baby after she tested off the scale for a potential DS child. And, no, there was never any thought about aborting our daughter.


15 posted on 12/01/2012 3:32:05 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: lyby

I work with several schools where Down’s syndrome folks are “included” in the football organizations. As someone that works on the sidelines for a living I need to be able to move quickly from place to place. I find them to be a pain in the ass. They block my way, they are aggressive, and they interrupt my ability to get my job done.

They might be a joy at home, but adult DS folks on the sidelines are a problem.

For example, one followed me for a quarter trying to get me to constantly take his picture, or prevent me from taking shots of the other team.

One blocked my way because “I wasn’t on the team.” Which meant he did not know me. He was getting pretty billegerent before one of his handlers jumped in to help.

One who kept screwing up a team picture. What should have taken two minutes took twenty minutes.. If it were just my twenty minutes, that would be one thing. But there were 147 people in this college football team photo. You think I was the only one pissed?

Then there was the “slow” guy who had become somewhat of a mascot. He sent out emails to all of the team members explaining where they could find the pictures online, how to access them with a password that was supposed to be held by the Athletc Department Staff, and he explained how to download the game photos—because he did not think they should have to pay for them. It cost me about $1,500.

Being a member of society means there is a time and a place for behavior. When people are allowed to roam through an environment they are not capable of handling, you will get bad results.

There is a running comment among sideline folks and refs, and that is, “ these days, every team has one.”

And yes, I have a DS adult in my family. And yes, my wife and I were faced with the prospect of aborting a baby after she tested off the scale for a potential DS child. And, no, there was never any thought about aborting our daughter.


16 posted on 12/01/2012 3:32:05 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: lyby

I work with several schools where Down’s syndrome folks are “included” in the football organizations. As someone that works on the sidelines for a living I need to be able to move quickly from place to place. I find them to be a pain in the ass. They block my way, they are aggressive, and they interrupt my ability to get my job done.

They might be a joy at home, but adult DS folks on the sidelines are a problem.

For example, one followed me for a quarter trying to get me to constantly take his picture, or prevent me from taking shots of the other team.

One blocked my way because “I wasn’t on the team.” Which meant he did not know me. He was getting pretty billegerent before one of his handlers jumped in to help.

One who kept screwing up a team picture. What should have taken two minutes took twenty minutes.. If it were just my twenty minutes, that would be one thing. But there were 147 people in this college football team photo. You think I was the only one pissed?

Then there was the “slow” guy who had become somewhat of a mascot. He sent out emails to all of the team members explaining where they could find the pictures online, how to access them with a password that was supposed to be held by the Athletc Department Staff, and he explained how to download the game photos—because he did not think they should have to pay for them. It cost me about $1,500.

Being a member of society means there is a time and a place for behavior. When people are allowed to roam through an environment they are not capable of handling, you will get bad results.

There is a running comment among sideline folks and refs, and that is, “ these days, every team has one.”

And yes, I have a DS adult in my family. And yes, my wife and I were faced with the prospect of aborting a baby after she tested off the scale for a potential DS child. And, no, there was never any thought about aborting our daughter.


17 posted on 12/01/2012 3:32:20 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Vermont Lt

Sorry for the multiple post. Stupid ipad.


18 posted on 12/01/2012 3:33:40 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: GeronL
My in-laws are friends of the family, Eric's one of the nicest, most gentle-hearted and kind people one would ever want to meet and call a friend. The ENTIRE SCHOOL was behind him. Every kid, every family. Even those who played against him did so with dignity and grace extended to him.

YOU on the other hand, are a world-class ASSHAT. And that's the kindest thing I can say about a world-class ASSHAT like you. GO AWAY.

19 posted on 12/01/2012 3:39:20 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: GeronL
I was just taking the year past the age limit to an extreme

No, you're being a rude, inconsiderate cold-hearted son of a bitch ASSHAT. STFU and go away.

20 posted on 12/01/2012 3:40:57 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

??

I never said anything bad about Eric


21 posted on 12/01/2012 3:41:47 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Vermont Lt

Your post (x3) comes across as angry...

DS people are not “easy” to deal with at home - or anywhere. Most people are not “easy” to deal with...

I celebrate your LIFE choice for your children.

We should celebrate LIFE...


22 posted on 12/01/2012 3:43:48 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: GeronL
You're an ASSHAT. You can't hide behind "sarcasm" ..... your comments in context were the worst kind of mean I can possibly think of.

World class JERK. You wouldn't have the BALLS to make such a comment in front of the family, and if you did you'd have your dumbass handed to you on a stick.

Do yourself a favor, STFU, leave the thread now. One more post I'm calling in the ADMIN-MOD to deal with you. You're the worst sort of jerk there is. You don't belong here on FR, IMO.

23 posted on 12/01/2012 3:47:28 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative; GeronL

Sounds like the school well knew the kid and it made sense all around.

There is a real danger in having bigger, older kids play in contact sports like football, however; so I can see GeronL’s point that this policy could be taken too far.


24 posted on 12/01/2012 3:47:28 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: usconservative

I thought the sarcasm warning was prominent enough

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When they bend rules, how far will they bend them next time? and the time after that? THAT is what I making light of.


25 posted on 12/01/2012 3:47:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: lyby

Would bring a DS young adult into your workplace?

I am not angry. I am simply frustrated when individuals insert mentally challenged folks into an environment where they are not prepared to be without assistance, yet none is provided. And then it is expected that EVERYONE else wil accommodate them.

My issue is that my clients expect me to deliver a high quality product whether I am being interrupted or prevented from performing my job.

This is the issue with mainstreaming. .


26 posted on 12/01/2012 3:50:06 PM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Yes. I was only making light of the bending of the age rule.

Of course I wasn’t making fun of Eric, it took them 2 years to make this decision. They probably did everything correctly to keep the new rule as narrowly as possible.


27 posted on 12/01/2012 3:51:30 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Vermont Lt

I am a teacher. I deal with special needs students everyday.
My life-calling is a challenge...

I hope for you: patience; compassion; empathy... The same that I pray each day for myself.


28 posted on 12/01/2012 3:59:16 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: SkyDancer

BeAuTiFuL!!!


29 posted on 12/01/2012 4:01:27 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: SkyDancer

I did a search (death toll from abortion since roe vs wade):

http://www.conservativecut.com/blog/?p=493

http://www.cpforlife.org/id173.htm

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/shock-estimated-54559615-abortions-since-roe-v.-wade/

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=15740


30 posted on 12/01/2012 4:07:48 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: GeronL; Admin Moderator
When they bend rules, how far will they bend them next time? and the time after that? THAT is what I making light of.

You keep telling yourself that lie, what you were really doing was demeaning to others who you believe you're superior to.

Admin-Moderator, please see post #2 and GeronL's abhorrent posts. Clean-up requested in Aisle 2 please.

As for you GeronL, don't you ever post to me again. You're the lowest POC I can think of. You're worse than Obama in my book.

31 posted on 12/01/2012 4:20:40 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Vermont Lt
I am not angry. I am simply frustrated when individuals insert mentally challenged folks into an environment where they are not prepared to be without assistance, yet none is provided. And then it is expected that EVERYONE else wil accommodate them.

My issue is that my clients expect me to deliver a high quality product whether I am being interrupted or prevented from performing my job.


Try changing your perspective and you may become a less frustrated, and happier, person. Have you considered that taking pictures of your client's environment, which includes all types of people, is quite simply *part of your job*?

I also hope for patience, compassion, and empathy for you. You dearly seem to need it.
32 posted on 12/01/2012 4:24:37 PM PST by TrexDogs
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To: usconservative
You need to calm down.

Who was I demeaning? Nobody. I never referred to any real person in my SARCASM tagged comment.

You can go back to your hissy fit now.

33 posted on 12/01/2012 4:27:41 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: lyby

I wonder if there’s a Liberal website that puts up those figures. But then, probably not.


34 posted on 12/01/2012 4:30:59 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Vermont Lt; lyby

My sense is that people overwhelmingly are patient—though maybe not as patient as special ed teachers need to be.

But it also gets taken too far, where special license is presumed to impose on other people at a level that otherwise would be considered totally inappropriate.


35 posted on 12/01/2012 4:35:29 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

My sense is that people overwhelmingly are patient—though maybe not as patient as special ed teachers need to be.

But it also gets taken too far, where special license is presumed to impose on other people at a level that otherwise would be considered totally inappropriate.


Agreed. There must be a balance... Unfortunately, from my perspective/experience, that situation does not exist. However, I continue to strive to instill a “higher level” for my students.


36 posted on 12/01/2012 4:51:38 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: GeronL
My 14 month old son has Downs Syndrome.
He is an amazing blessing to me and our family.
Too bad the pre natal testing can't tell parents what a wonderful blessing these children will be.
Sad doesn't even begin to describe how I feel about the fact that 92% of these innocent children don't live to see the light of day.
That means many self professed pro lifers and Christians murder these children.
I think many of them are afraid of people treating them and their child badly. I could care less because I know the truth and I pity any person who shows contempt for the Maker of these babies.
May He show mercy and grace to those who refuse to extend it to others.
Please educate yourself about this issue before trying to be funny at the expense of perpetuating the lie that these lives aren't valuable.
37 posted on 12/01/2012 6:40:50 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Clump
Please educate yourself about this issue before trying to be funny at the expense of perpetuating the lie that these lives aren't valuable.

Where did I do that? Please tell me where I did anything like that?

Now you are just making stuff up. I am going to push the ABUSE button on that one.

38 posted on 12/01/2012 6:46:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Clump

You are perpetuating the lie that I said that these lives aren’t valuable!!

I never did anything of the sort.


39 posted on 12/01/2012 6:47:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

I think maybe you have pushed enough buttons for one night.
And true you never said that.
To me it’s implied when people with DS are ridiculed.
But hey we all have to stand accountable for the things we do and say.
I’m seriously over this thread.
But hit the abuse button if you think it’s needed.


40 posted on 12/01/2012 7:09:17 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: usconservative; GeronL

THis is a discussion board. We discuss things. We aren’t liberals, shutting down talk by trying to shame people into not discussing the issues.

The boy was not denied a chance to play football. He was on the team, just like every other kid could be on the team.

Now, because of his DS, he is behind a year in school. Guess what — there are a LOT of people who are behind a year in school, for all sorts of reasons. Some kids get in trouble for a while. Some don’t apply themselves. Some are not very bright. Some have disabilities.

The rules are easy enough. In order to keep adults from playing sports with kids (remember, 9th grade is high school in some places, 10th grade everywhere, and that can be 15 and 16-year-olds), they cut off eligibiity at 19 years old.

Of course, they also HAVE to do that, because if you didn’t you can guarantee that some coach, in order to get advantage, would find a way to get his kids to stay back a year, so he’d have a team full of adults playing kids.

In this case, parents of a kid who played football, but had been held back a year, argued that their particular circumstances should get special treatment.

And because we love the disabled, (look at ADA and the disibility insurance program), they were able to get the system to approve their special treatment.

This isn’t about some nice story of a disabled child getting a chance to be one of the regulars. This is about a boy, with some unspecified level of disability, getting to compete a year older than the other kids.

And he’s all-state. That means he is VERY GOOD. Which suggest that, at least in sports, he isn’t disabled, he is fully functional. And also older than all the other kids, probably larger, better-formed, more muscular.

So no, I don’t think it is rude or inconsiderate to consider whether we should allow adults to play with kids simply because the adult had a disability which resulted in them being held back a year.


41 posted on 12/01/2012 7:10:32 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Clump

I never ridiculed anyone with DS.


42 posted on 12/01/2012 7:10:40 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: usconservative

Lighten up.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 7:16:48 PM PST by Gysmo
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To: Clump
we all have to stand accountable for the things we do and say

apparently for thing we didn't say too.

44 posted on 12/01/2012 7:19:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: lyby

Great story


45 posted on 12/01/2012 7:24:56 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: GeronL

The “2 years” just means that the father starting working on getting this waiver when his kid first started playing high school football.

Just like any child who has been held back a year, they high school a year older than everybody else. And if they are good athletes, when they make the teams, the parents are upset that the policy won’t allow their kid to play their senior year.

But this father had an angle that he was able to successfully play to get an exception for his kid.

So, do you suppose they require a genetic test to prove a child has DS, in order to qualify for the special exception? The article doesn’t say how they determine if a child is “disabled” for the purpose of the rule.

The article even throws in the discrimination card (it’s just like the race card, except conservatives don’t mind it so much) - “regulations barred him, and others with disabilities, from playing athletics after turning nineteen-years-old before September 1.”

See, it sounds like there is some special regulation that kept disabled people from playing when “normal” kids could. But the rule actually applied to EVERY kid, treating the disabled exactly the same as others.

What they wanted was SPECIAL treatment for disabled kids, to allow them to play a year older than the other kids.

They needed a 2/3rds approval. They actually only got 701 of 1535 schools to vote, but of those that did, 94% approved.

The new rule doesn’t give a blanket approval — it gives a committee, the “MHSAA Executive Committee”, the authority to approve requests on an individual basis.

So my guess is the criteria is going to be how many signatures you can get on a nationwide petition — since that seems to be how they got this done in the first place.

BTW, the article says that 26 states did NOT allow this; which means that 24 states already had some rules like this.


46 posted on 12/01/2012 7:28:01 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

The dad was smart to start the process early, bureaucracies are slow.


47 posted on 12/01/2012 7:38:33 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: usconservative; GeronL
As for you GeronL, don't you ever post to me again. You're the lowest POC I can think of. You're worse than Obama in my book.

Well, I have been reading the comments on this post and I have to say, usconservative, that you are over reacting to an extreme degree. I do not believe the mods will do anything about GeronL's comment, but they might delete a few of yours for the profanity and personal insults you threw his way.

He stated an opinion, if you don't like that opinion you have the right to let him know, but in following the rules of FR, you need to be a little more circumspect with your responses to people you don't agree with.

We are not liberals after all.

48 posted on 12/01/2012 9:56:50 PM PST by calex59
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To: usconservative

BUMP ... DITTOS


49 posted on 12/02/2012 9:19:50 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Radical islam is islam. Moderate islam is the Trojan Horse.)
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