Skip to comments.To My Father-in-Law Who Wants to Disown Me for Voting for Romney
Posted on 12/01/2012 7:47:03 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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Some people also prefer arsenic to a handgun.
>> I don’t think conservatives should “pander to blacks”.
Agreed. But that doesn’t mean we abandon the Black community at large.
When 92-98% of the voting Blacks vote “against” Conservatives/Republicans, one might get the sense we’re being renounced by the entirety of Black America. Might that perception elicit apathy and contempt? Sure, but is it the correct perception? I don’t think so.
There’s really no need to court a particular ethnicity, gender, age. The correct message of Liberty should and will suffice. Any jackwagon that refuses to embrace our Constitutional Liberties doesn’t deserve our time nor concern.
This is a unique time for Blacks in America, but they’re not making the best of it, and neither is the vast majority of the other Democrats.
BBW, I’m guessing things will work out for you and your FIL.
Nope because it forces freeloaders of healthcare to share the costs. Devil is in the details. Never make fast judgements without understanding the details.
I am giving you an A++++ grade on you confessional. One of the best on Free Republic. This is our America. Prayers and good luck dealing with loonsville. Your Father in law is just looking for an excuse to f you for whatever reason
I say this, not to inflame, but to ask...Does he want to keep you on the Government Plantation? Does he feel it reasonable to not respect your opinion? You seem informed and capable of making a reasoned decision about who you thought might offer the best leadership to the country and for you posterity. Your father-in-law is presumptuous and unreasonable. You are a grown man. Make your own decisions. If he disagrees, fine...if he react so irrationally it is a problem of his own making. You have been gracious to him with your exposition. That should placate him, but if it does not, shake the dust off of your cloak, back away, and give him all the time he needs to come to his senses.
1.) Keep it short stupid!
2.) Entire text of letter: “My first priority will always be that [my son] have as” little National Debt to pay off as possible. Therefore, I will NEVER vote for ANY Candidate who supports Re-Distribution Communism, “from each according to his ability, and to each according to his need.” (Karl Marx)
3.) Close with “The Father of your Grandson [Grandson’s name], and sign with [Your Name].
4.) Ask your wife if she wants domestic peace with her Dad, or low National Debt for her son. Point out that the two are mutually exclusive.
5.) Wait for the ice to thaw in your house, and then mail the letter.
BTW, Winter is approaching so this might take awhile - - - .
True, indeed. I was a Kool-Aid drinker in 2007 and 2008. In fact, I was raised on Kool-Aid, was waterboarded with Kool-Aid throughout my college and post-graduate school years, and have only within the past three or four years begun the process of detoxification. My apologies for what I and my fellow Kool-Aid drinkers did to America in 2008. If we were in the same room, I suppose I could let you flog me. I did help put a stop to some of the worst excesses in 2010, and at considerable risk to my personal and professional associations, I did what I could in 2012 to convince people not to re-up. I figure I have 40 or so years left in my life to make up for my past political misdeeds.
I suppose I could say that fortunately that is not an issue in this scenario. He doesn't have squat to his name, and likely will die that way.
Believe me, that’s ultimately where this goes if he so chooses. I would be fine with it.
You would guess wrong. I do own my own business and have been self employed since 1999. I have had as many as 12 employees in the past.
“Forcing the free loaders to share the cost is not the Government’s respsonsbility”
This all came about when Democrats thought it would be a good idea to make hospitals give people free care if they showed up. At the time, the point was made that if it was made illegal for hospitals to refuse care then some people wouldn’t have an incentive to maintain insurance...that is exactly what happened.
Romneycare and Obamacare are both attempts to fix the ill effects of what was essentially the FEDGOV sticking its nose in where it doesn’t belong in an effort to get votes.
Now every free service is becoming a human right and there will be no end except to our Republic unless our leaders stand up and do what is morally right.
They will not do this...they are only interested in self preservation on both sides of the aisle...so we will see Clinton-Bush 2 in 2016.
The Healthcare debate was shifted from whether or not we should have it to how many and which types should we provide right under your nose with the help of both parties and all 3 branches right on cue.
Every single elected official is signed sealed and delivered by the Insurance Companies and the banks.
“Too big to fail” ring a bell? You keep toeing the party line and supporting your stalking horse Romney... I think they all need to go...I think Romney was window dressing on a pre-determined election.
I apologize for being so harsh, it’s just that not being the best informed myself, I was informed enough to know better in 2008, but it (being informed) was then as is now useless when it comes to voting as we are outvoted by the Kool-Aid drinkers,by the sentimentalists and moochers of course, and that just raises my blood pressure. Again, apologies.
Then by all means let him spout off to eternity.
You are absolutely right in all that you say. I really have trouble conceiving why someone would be pissed off about the fact that I came to a reasoned decision about what's best for the everyone. Even in my most extreme liberal days, I would have always welcome hearing someone with another perspective, and I would never have allowed said perspective to influence my personal relationship with a family member.
Degrees have nothing to do with it. It’s not about intelligence its about over stating your point in contacting him in the first place.
It was too long. I didn’t read it all myself. And I have a degree too. Overall the tone was respectful but I seriously doubt he read it all.
I said you were being two faced because in your email to him you sound genuine and sincere about keeping family together and then a post to someone......laughing about using your own child to get to him and grandma. Be honest.
>> I am to the right of Attila the Hun in economic freedom.
No you’re not.
>> The best part of Romneycare is that it forces the free loaders to share the burden
That which “forces” is not a force for Liberty.
An unregulated market is a free market.
No worries, you’re in good company.
You might send this “test” to your FIL, as well.
If he is only impressed with black “leadership”, he might be interested in Francis Rice’s “Black History Test”, wherein, he can educate himself as to which party is and HAS been on his side historically.
(you might “bait” him into paying attention to this test, as it was compiled by a brilliant black woman.)
Good luck and I admire your trying to reason with him. I’ve given up on my sister who boasts about a Harvard education, but doesn’t have the common sense to realize she’s about to be bitten by her “choice” in the HOMOPOTUS.
Libs are unwilling to admit what they are. They hold the keys to jail, not freedom. They are market communists. They hold one thing in common... All are takers.
If this is a real communication, which I doubt, it’s a classic example of how NOT to win an arguement. The tone is obsequious and apologetic, as well as self-justifying in a way that gives the offensive father-in-law the advantage.
Never explain to a stupid, mean-spirited Dem about all the good works you have done (among the poor, sick, Blacks, whatever). Nevertheless explain anything to them, because the number one thing that we know about them is that facts mean nothing to them.
If it were me in that situation, I would simply ignore the entire incident.
But if I said anything, it would be along the lines of,
Dear Fred, I was sorry to hear that you were so upset when you learned that I voted differently from you. I was raised with the understanding that our political system was constructed with the concept of the individual vote, not tribalism or voting en masse as part of a clan. If it was your expectation that when I married Marjorie I would vote the way you do, I am sorry that you were disappointed.
Perfect. (don’t you love days like that?)
No apology necessary. I would feel the same way if I was in your shoes. Just keep in mind that young people voted like 75/25 for Obama or something like that, so ultimately, we're going to have to convince half of them that they made a mistake, and it's OK, in order to win on the national scale.
You sound like a great husband and father. Whatever happens... you wife will always know that you tried and that makes all the difference. You are establishing a legacy for your own family and sometimes that means taking a stand for what is right. I am not talking about a person/politician but the ideal that this country was founded upon. God Bless your family and thank you for being a thoughtful husband, father and SIL. Thank you for sharing your letter.
Needs to be at least ten times longer.
Well then, you were a rare liberal indeed - most likely a product of your upbringing, environment and political culture. Young indoctrinated libs with this attitude, which usually comes with common sense as well (a rare commodity these days), are pretty much destined to jump the plantation fence at some point later in their lives once they realize how things really work in the world.
Another plus is that you're obviously quite intelligent, based upon reading your missive - which I did read (obviously unlike some who have responded to this thread). Ignoring the past support for Obama, I found myself in agreement with the majority of what you wrote beyond that point, although not all. As for the responders claiming the letter was too long - that's probably true. But I can sympathize, since I often do the same thing myself. I'm famous for horribly long emails.
As to one of your original questions about whether this sort of approach would work to sway traditionally D demographics, I have no idea. To me it mostly sounded like logical arguments for conservative ideals, with a bit less pandering (for obvious personal reasons). I'd certainly like to think that's the right approach, since pandering and promising free stuff is absolutely the wrong answer if you truly believe in individual freedom, limited government and free economies. Maybe it really is just a question of getting the message out in minority communities, but I really don't know how you do that. The stupid party (Republicans) hasn't had a candidate since Reagan who bothered to even TALK about and explain, in well understood terms, the pros and cons of economic conservatism. During the debates I heard an inkling of it from Ryan when he was trying to get a word in edgewise with the mean, obnoxious drunk he was sentenced to "debate," but that was about it.
BTW, I had no idea that Obama's claimed position on education is as you state it. I'll take you at your word there, but I find it really hard to believe - meaning he's lying yet again, as he pretty much always does. What has Obama actually done in terms of charter schools & teacher accountability? Answer: Nothing. And don't hold your breath. That's straight up anti-NEA, and unions are the bread and butter that keep that tyrant and his tyrannical party in power - which is all they care about. He will never bite the hand that feeds him and put him in power as a Manchurian candidate, no matter what supposed positions he claims to support on education.
Yes. Education. Something at which Romney and McCain failed. Failed to educate, to inform, to expose. As if such were the rules of the gentlemanly game they and other Republicans like the Bushes played. Platitudes in response to vicious, misleading and relentless propaganda of the other side. I can never forgive them that.
I have Political “disagreements” with some of my Wife’s Family as well, specifically her Sister and her Liberal Retired PHD College Professor Husband.
I choose to have as little contact with them as possible while being mindful of the Family dynamics. They are out of State and I see them in person maybe once a year, if that.
Let’s just say that they now know better than to challenge my take regarding the current Political landscape. Since the ascention of the Obama, any comment made to me is met with a quick and decisive response for which they have no defense outside of the usual “blame Bush” kneejerk reaction.
I feel for your situation since your Wife and Children are forced to play a major part in whatever actions you decide are necessary.
Funny how as a child I could never get my head around how the Civil War was able to turn Brother against Brother. Thanks to the great divide we have today, it seems like a more plausible premise than I would have ever imagined. I find myself using the term "Good Germans" when discussing people who support the current crop of Democrat Socialists running, or should I say ruining our Nation.
One of the most well-written pieces on all that was wrong with the candidate, his record, his way of governing and clearly the impacts of his policies. You have articulated your position well. I hope your father in law reads it...and then reads it over and over again. His loss of you as a family member would be his loss. His daughter married well. And I certainly hope he can have the relationship with your son that you desire. I wish I could have articulated my thoughts as you have. I wish you well.
I’m coming up on 69 years old and have to say that it is probably a waste of time to argue with a liberal who believes money grows on trees. We are on the verge of national bankruptcy and that is all that matters. Once that happens a lot of people will have the scales fall from their eyes.
I hate to put it in these terms but I am reminded of the adoring Germans who worshiped Hitler. Only after they were reduced to utter ruin did they come to their senses. Some people like Goebbels and his family committed suicide rather than not live under “national socialism.” As yourself how a westernized “Christian” nation could be so thoroughly mesmerized by such a demagogue as Hitler and his palpable nonsense.
Think about this. what do Obama and Hitler have in common?
They are/were both actual or near psychopaths who demonize their enemies, tell lies continuously and look for scapegoats to blame their problems on. In Hitler’s case it was the Jews who were demonized and then slaughtered in the millions. In Obama’s case it is the “rich” who are demonized and everyone seems to have a little envy if not downright hatred because so many believe they gained their wealth by less than honorable means. So Obama just keeps on keeping on with his lies and rewriting of history and economic lunacy and so many people seem to believe it. Why else could they possibly reelect such a man? When the nation descends into total economic ruin, some people will finally see what they have done to themselves but probably not sooner.
You have gone above and beyond. Be at peace about all this disagreed thoughts and family dissonance. You just have to move on if your father in law cannot accept or is a control freak. It took us about a year or two with my mother years ago but she came around and respected my husband finally.
” - - - Perfect. - - - - “
How did you know?
Nobody is perfect!
I am nobody,
Therefore, I am perfect!
Thanks for the thoughtful response. I’m not particularly interested in launching into a defense of Obama’s education policies but if you look into the Race to the Top program, it forces states to adopt new laws and policies that ease the way for charter schools and allow for test scores to play a role in teacher evaluation in order to qualify to compete for funds. He also supported the district in Rhode Island that fired the entire teacher staff when they wouldn’t agree to spend a little extra time improving education. Yes the NEA and the teacher’s unions hate all of this, but they are somewhat muted because they know a Republican President would be even worse for them.
He hasn’t supported vouchers, and I’m sure that there’s plenty that’s he’s done going the other direction, and certainly it’s still within the general framework of an active role for the federal government in education, which a lot of us would like to end. And a lot of it might just be seeing the “writing on the wall” and trying to head off/somewhat co-opt the general movement towards school choice, but his policy is definitely not what the teacher’s unions would most like to see, that much I do know.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaking, as part of the 25% that didn’t vote for Obama, when you have the Daily Show serving as an important show for information, and any other source of entertainment and info. soaked in Liberal juices than it is not too hard to figure out their votes for Obama. Obama is cool, he is metropolitan, he is unique, and preaches with the right set of words. Yet they play video games where you fight against Islamists, Communists and Nazis.
It is a complete disconnect, especially at my workplace. Many of my co-workers have openly vouched for their support for Obama. One even went as far as to say, after the election, that 8 out of 10 Romney voters are either ignorant, selfish or racist. May I also add that this is in the field of retail where job hours are getting cut and fulltime positions have been reduced yet they still voted for Obama?
Possibly it is because the people working over us have not told us the real reasons for these problems: The oncoming catastrophe of Obama/Pelosi/Reidstein’s monster AKA Obamacare. I don’t normally discuss politics in the workplace, but I fear that the stupidity of my co-workers may need some kind of remedy.
However, I’ve read that the group I’m in, young white males, have voted a majority for Romney over Obama. Maybe we haven’t all bought into the usual political talk that these idols for the young are trying to say to us.
I would think of it more as a “carrot and stick” than two-faced. I’m willing to engage in a police, constructive dialogue about the differences in our opinion, but if he wants to ignore all of that in favor of his own closed-minded opinions, then we can be at war, and I have a nuclear weapon, he’s got mortar rounds.
You cleverly covered your bases and if your FIL still acts like a jerk, you have demonstrated that you are willing to take the high road and that he is not, therefore, you can tell him to go pound sand if he persists.
The reason behind your problems with family about politics is one reason my father told me to never discuss politics with others. You can lose a lot of good friends discussing politics or religion...To this day the only way I know Dad was a republican was he couldn’t stand Eleanor Roosevelt and she had a husband that couldn’t shut her up publically. It can cause brother to not talk to brother or sister for decades and isn’t worth voicing your opinion, especially is you know theirs....just let it rest....Hope things get better all around for you and the total family...
It takes a big man to admit the error of a previous decision. I think your letter was cogent and on point. If you father-in-law is intractable i think that says more about him than anyone else. I have found in my own life that I cannot talk politics with liberals precisely because they go nuts and start screaming and then out and out hate me because they don’t know how to disagree without being disagreeable. Mores the shame.
I hope this doesn’t fracture your family but you never know with liberals
I like your version :-)
Or be perceptive enough to test the waters before you jump in. It doesn't take much to listen carefully and figure out what someones world view is, unless they just refuse to talk,.
I have met Republicans who believe whatever the GOP (and Rush) is saying, which turns me off too.
I have met Democrats who are so unreasonable they fly off into a tizzy and start yelling when you challenge their beliefs.
One lib Democrat told me he is highly offended when I say that O is a Marxist (having some fun ) because he is Jewish. He sees Jews as Obama/Marxist??
I know a Democrat at work and we put a side our ideological difference to discuss the current issues and debates as a chess game, meaning who will win on each political confrontation and how and why and what they are doing right and wrong in the fight. And we dont say dumb stuff like "My side will win because it is right"
Other Dems I met are like many here, they talk like everyone will agree with them on each election day, even in 2010.
Occasionally I meet a thoughtful Republican who current on the issues we discuss here and he doesn't live in "We are always winning, the GOP is great" LA-LA land.
But Republicans will never beat Dems unless they understand Dems arguments (which are the weapons in this fight) and the voters that they will need to win over, to beat the Dems. "Everyone agrees with me" is a plan for disaster,
Imagine the tension at their family get-togethers over the next decade. ... oh, yeah ...
Any American supporting Obama is no less stupid.
“Now, on gay marriage, I happen to agree with the Democratic position. I support the right of gay people to get married if they want to,...”
This is but ONE of the many quotes I COULD have posted, but why bother? Dude, you are certainly no conservative. At absolute best, you are a left-leaning rino with a gift for psuedo-intellectualism disguised as wisdom.
You used a whole lot of words why? To impress a man with a PhD who you say ‘disowned’ you? In this country, slavery is abolished and illegal. So how can you DIS own what you cannot legally own?
Nitpicky? Possibly. But I read this entire treatise and there is just no way anyone who thinks like you say you do is anywhere close to being a conservative.
All you have done is not voted for a straight up criminal. That doesn’t make you a saint in my religion, nor does it legitimize illegitimate conservative creds.
Ping to 94
The libs now have a crusade over a guy marrying a guy??? This is how most young people think? Then I am in some kind of hell, purgatory or Twilight Zone.
How about saying instead: “it’s a free country, F you, you intolerant jerk”.
Not if you are unimpressed with psychobabble, which is what this whole ‘email’ thing is. THEY are the ones in the Twilight Zone.
So, bluewall person, do you also believe that gays should serve openly in what’s left of our military?
Were you prolife before your own child was born?
From what I read in your email, it looks to me as if you were trying to convince a hopeless academic of your own liberal creds with a couple of conservative glitches thrown in.
“But most importantly, for the purpose of this conversation, I am driven in my life by a sense of responsibility and purpose to better the world, especially for the poor and disadvantaged, and particularly those of African descent.”
So you are a supporter of ‘social justice’?
Would you vote for hillary if she ran? Inquiring minds want to know.
“Particularly those of African descent”???
Just another black racialist DU-member/Obamavoter trolling Free Republic?
They’re like toadstools these days.