You'll notice that one of the "True Believers" is lying about the Fleischmann Memorial Project right here. He claims:
The current state of the science of LENR is that the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated and it is an established scientific fact.
Yet he ignores the actual report from the web site that they appear to have discovered an error that could explain the "excess" heat.
Meanwhile, we're still waiting for someone, anyone, to present credible evidence for a LENR device that can brew a cup of tea. So far, no one has even come close.
To: Johnny B.
"Yet he ignores the actual report from the web site that they appear to have discovered an error that could explain the "excess" heat.
What makes you think that the MFMP experiment is the proof that Kevmo is referring to?? There are literally dozens of replications in refereed papers. The MFMP guys "think" they "may" have discovered an error. But their cell is not identical to Celani's, and in fact they know that the glass work of the seal on their cell was flawed as it came from the glass shop (scratched and leaked). They attempted a polish to smooth it themselves, but this "error" may well be due to their cell's known flaw.
And since they are in regular communication with Celani, the error will indoubtedly either be fixed, or the source clarified.
"Meanwhile, we're still waiting for someone, anyone, to present credible evidence for a LENR device that can brew a cup of tea. So far, no one has even come close.
Again....been done. The Beaudette book explains things in sufficient simplicity that even a scientific illiterate like youself can understand.
To: Johnny B.
LENR seems to have its own set of Anti-Science Truthers. In the last couple of years, there has been quite a bit of activity in the area of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions. Originally, the field was called Cold Fusion in 1989 when Pons & Fleischmann announced their findings prematurely. They were ridiculed and blacklisted by scientists who could have lost funding for their nuclear projects in 1989, even though some of their findings were soon replicated.. You can get the story here:
In fact, the only verified instance of Fraud in LENR was when MIT scientists fudged their results to show a negative result rather than the positive one the data supports.
The ongoing story here on Free Republic has been one where the detractors use ridicule, falsehoods, false argumentation, classic fallacies, misdirection, and all manner of unscientific and ugly behavior other than to discuss the science behind the claims. In order to fight fire with fire, I started calling these pathological skeptics seagulls but the moderator told me not to do that. So the skeptopaths are allowed certain tactics on FR but the LENR afficianados are not. It turns out that one of the moderators resigned, and his scientific background was lacking in terms of being able to properly absorb this material. At one time he even put it on the same level as BigFoot without backing it up when confronted:
And even though the Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated hundreds of times by more than a thousand scientists, even in mainstream peer-reviewed journals.
Nuclear fusion inside condense matters
Frontiers of Physics in China
Volume 2, Number 1, 96-102, DOI: 10.1007/s11467-007-0005-8
This article describes in detail the nuclear fusion inside condense mattersthe Fleischmann-Pons effect, the reproducibility of cold fusions, self-consistency of cold fusions and the possible applications
Note that Jing-tang He found there were 14,700 replications of the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect. http://www.boliven.com/publication/10.1007~s11467-007-0005-8?q=(%22David%20J.%20Nagel%22)
National Instruments is a multibillion dollar corporation that does not need to stick its neck out for bigfoot stories. After noting more than 150 replications, they recently concluded that with so much evidence of anomalous heat generation...
There is an unknown physical event and there is a need of better measurements and control tools. NI is playing a role in accelerating innovation and discovery.
The current state of the science of LENR is that the Pons Fleischmann Anomalous Heat Effect has been replicated and it is an established scientific fact. But it is not an established ENGINEERING field because the effect is difficult to generate and there is still some lingering stigma associated with the field. The level of pathological resistance this field receives is unconscionable for those of us who seek scientific answers and engineering solutions.
If you find that the thread leads to this post it is because I no longer respond to the seagulls, I send all inquiries to this post so that crickets are not generated, nor is there an impression left that they have an objection worth pursuing. If lurkers feel the objection is worth pursuing, they can repost the same question.
To learn more about LENR, I recommend the LENR-CANR website
posted on 12/04/2012 4:07:00 PM PST
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To: Johnny B.
"Meanwhile, we're still waiting for someone, anyone, to present credible evidence for a LENR device that can brew a cup of tea. So far, no one has even come close."
Interestingly enough, Beaudette uses a similar "kitchen analogy" to illustrate the magnitude of energy release. He uses the following "layman's description" of the results of one of the Japanese efforts....."the energy released was enough to power an electric stove burner at full heat for seventeen hours".
I suspect that one can brew quite a few "cuppas" in seventeen hours.
So, once again, we find that the proof you want already exists.
To: Johnny B.
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