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Black male student athlete study released from Penn
Upenn.edu ^ | 12-4-12 | SHAUN R. HARPER, COLLIN D. WILLIAMS JR., AND HORATIO W. BLACKMAN

Posted on 12/04/2012 8:35:23 PM PST by FlJoePa

Here's the link - it's a .pdf


TOPICS: Education; Miscellaneous; Sports
KEYWORDS: ncaa; sports
Pretty interesting stuff. Sort of shows you who's who.
1 posted on 12/04/2012 8:35:31 PM PST by FlJoePa
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To: FlJoePa
astonishing to us is that it seems the American public . . . has accepted as normal the widespread inequities that are cyclically reproduced in most revenue-generating college sports programs. Perhaps more outrage and calls for accountability would ensue if there were greater awareness of the actual extent to which college sports persistently disadvantage Black male student-athletes.

"Persistently disadvantaged"?? It seems to me that that is exactly the opposite of the case. In reality, it looks like black "student"-athletes are being persistently over-advantaged. They get full scholarships, they get to play on high-profile teams, yet their relatively poor academic performance would indicate that they are not really college material.

2 posted on 12/04/2012 8:48:23 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: FlJoePa

If they want to increase black male graduation rates, then be more selective as to who gets admitted to the university, i.e., give athletic scholarships only to those who have demonstrated academic aptitude, not just athletic ability.


3 posted on 12/04/2012 8:59:26 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: Charles Henrickson

Well, it’s from Penn, so you know it is going to be editorialized. I went to the statistics to see who is and isn’t getting the job done - either on the front end at admissions, or the back end w/ tutoring and increased expectations of the students themselves.

Like in the rest of the world, there seem to be givers and takers.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 9:04:09 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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I would like to see the same study replicated for black athletes in all black colleges and universities who participate in varsity sports. I am aware of one all black university where the four year graduation rate for all entering freshman is barely 10 percent.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 9:08:18 PM PST by miele man
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To: Charles Henrickson

It’s a 21st-century variant of the slave trade, IMHO.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 9:12:19 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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we should all wish to be slaves then, if it meant $120,000 college scholarships...not including the adoration, the face time, the big man on campus schtick...

my kids still paying on their college loans, and being good citizens and tax payers as well......nobody gave them a thing.....

7 posted on 12/04/2012 9:26:34 PM PST by cherry
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To: FlJoePa

Much lowered admission standards and yet there’s still an “unfairness” towards black athletes.

But try raising standards to that of the average admission and watch the Nolan Richardsons cry “racism”


8 posted on 12/04/2012 9:27:55 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: cherry

Paterno (til his death) railed against Freshman eligibility. Make a kid show he can make it the classroom first. UK basketball players really don’t ever have to attend a class. By the time they fail out, they’re in the NBA.


9 posted on 12/04/2012 9:31:44 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: One Name
It is the institutions taking advantage of students. The grad rate for the student athletes would probably be equal to the rest of the student body if it wasn't for the revenue athletes.

I'm actually surprised the rate for graduation is that high. Do you know who has the highest graduation rate in div I basketball? The answer isn't one team, it's one coach. It is any team coached by Bobby Knight. Despite all his antics he must care for his students enough to keep them engaged in school.

10 posted on 12/04/2012 9:36:23 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: cherry

90 percent of that athlete money comes back to the company store. Or to the community through the PD or the banks, or the bars or the car dealers.

Better to raise your kids the way you are doing now. The tortoise wins this race, hands down.


11 posted on 12/04/2012 9:37:20 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: FlJoePa
Here's a novel concept: College athletics ought to be for real college students, that is, for those who would be in college anyway, apart from the athletics--students who would be students first, and then, if they had the time and the ability, would play sports.

If a kid isn't cut out to be a college student, but has exceptional athletic ability, then let him play football or basketball in a minor league, a developmental league, run by the pro teams.

Oh, I forgot: Follow the money. College football and basketball mean big bucks. $$$$$$$$$$$$$

12 posted on 12/04/2012 9:40:20 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: USNBandit

Well, you might want to look at the study again and see what’s happened since his (Knight’s) departure. IU is an embarrassment in this study.


13 posted on 12/04/2012 9:41:06 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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To: USNBandit

Once upon a time KU had a high standard for BB players under Roy Williams. They actually attended classes and had to pass.

Pressure overcame the system, and now it is seemingly all about hand-holding thugs to keep them out of trouble for 4 years.

They’ll crash on their own with lotsa $ but no foundation.


14 posted on 12/04/2012 9:43:05 PM PST by One Name (Ultimately, the TRUTH is a razor's edge and no man can sit astride it.)
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To: FlJoePa

I have always admired Ellis Hobbs (he played at my school...Iowa State). After the Bowl game in 2004 he left College to get ready for the NFL Draft. BUT, he promised his Mom that he would get his degree.

He did, finishing up with night classes while playing in the NFL; he even had to fulfill an “internship.” He flew back to Ames to participate in the Graduation ceremony five years later...his entire family flew to Ames to watch. Neat photos:

http://www.cyclones.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10700&ATCLID=3735958


15 posted on 12/04/2012 10:13:16 PM PST by garandgal
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Good for him, but “your school” is #1 on the hit parade (with a 20% graduation rate - the worst in the entire country). Did you even click the link and look at the study?


16 posted on 12/04/2012 10:22:05 PM PST by FlJoePa ("Success without honor is an unseasoned dish; it will satisfy your hunger, but it won't taste good")
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The whole thing’s a charade.

I’m proud to have completed my undergrad work at what must be one of the very few (UCSD) that had NO intercollegiate sports or fraternities/sororities. It was strictly about learning, and I loved it.

“A mind’s a terrible thing to waste.”


17 posted on 12/04/2012 11:38:07 PM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: FlJoePa

Thought it was a nice story...and no I didn’t read the entire PDF...because I had no idea that we had fallen “so” far.

I can guarantee you this: That’s not happening now. We had serious coaching problems (and changes) during that time. For the years that the study involves, our Basketball program was a complete debacle...we lost several entire recruiting classes to transfer (which I remember at the time was a HUGE concern regarding the AGR). Plus, we had the lovely Gene Chizik for two years before he set off to ruin Auburn’s Program. It’s funny, but I expected that he would “end” the way he did. Iowa State may not be a mecca of college football, but watching a team coached by him on game day was akin to getting a root canal.

All I can say is that our nightmare “lost” half-decade is over...I expect you will see an entirely different result with the recruits that have been brought in by Coach Rhoads & Coach Hoiberg.


18 posted on 12/05/2012 12:04:48 AM PST by garandgal
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To: Charles Henrickson

Yep. The study notes that blacks are often overrepresented on an order of 30x on college sports teams and feels no compulsion to make that more balanced, yet takes it for granted that assumptions of black athletic superiority (and relative academic inferiority) are wrong.


19 posted on 12/05/2012 12:23:34 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: miele man
I am aware of one all black university where the four year graduation rate for all entering freshman is barely 10 percent.

That's better than Boise State University's four-year graduation rate for all students.

(I'm certain BSU's not alone; as a result of its success in football, critics harped on the 6% four-year graduation rate, which I understand has now reached 8%).

20 posted on 12/05/2012 8:56:32 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: FlJoePa

Why is it then that the UK basketball team’s GPA for the entire year is one of the highest in the SEC? Maybe you better check your facts. I’m not referring to this year’s team, the first semester isn’t over. Further, not all of these kids take sociology or communications classes to slide through.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 10:09:57 AM PST by miele man
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To: FlJoePa

Yeah and look at the program he went to. It wasn’t the school it was the coach


22 posted on 12/05/2012 7:51:45 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Scoutmaster

A four year graduation rate shows how uncommitted the current university scam is to its students. They make impossible to schedule all the courses you need in four years to extract more money in fees, etc.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 7:54:43 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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