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My Problem With Prayer (People Are Better Off Dead?)
The Root ^

Posted on 12/05/2012 5:34:42 PM PST by nickcarraway

Very Smart Brothas' Damon Young explains how his mother's illness has led him to re-evaluate the religious practice.

... Much of this love and support has come in the form of prayer. People praying for her, praying with her, and even suggesting special prayers for situations like this. In fact, tonight I searched for "mom" in Gmail and looked at emails and Gchats I received around the time people first found out she was ill. Every single person who contacted me mentioned something about prayer. While this has definitely -- definitely -- been appreciated by my mother and the rest of my family, this situation has reinforced the disconnect I've always had with prayer in general and prayer specifically for ill people in particular.

Now, I'm (obviously) not a theological scholar. But, I do know that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all offer their true believers some form of an afterlife. And, in each case, the afterlife is a much, much, much better version of Earth.

If Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe this to be true, why pray for a sick person's health to get better?

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1 posted on 12/05/2012 5:34:47 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He knows although he didn’t study into it. Fascinating. If one could actually accumulate knowledge through that kind of ignorance, we would all have doctorates, wouldn’t we.


2 posted on 12/05/2012 5:38:44 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

The way some people talk, I’m not surprised people think this way. By this logic, we are hurting someone by not shooting them when they are born.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 5:44:33 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

He can’t tell the difference between Christianity and islam so why read anything else he has to say?


4 posted on 12/05/2012 5:44:57 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: nickcarraway

Just the fact he states “Christians, Jews, and Muslims” - as if Islam is a religion - is enough to tell me he’s clueless.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 5:46:26 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: F15Eagle

Looks like he indeed called all so-called “Abrahamic faiths” death cults.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 5:46:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

And islam isn’t from the promise to Abraham, as you know. It is a lie being propagated. The promise comes through Isaac, though Ishmael would have many descendents (for lurkers).


7 posted on 12/05/2012 5:53:13 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

You certainly do a good impression of one,


8 posted on 12/05/2012 5:54:36 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I’ve had four bone-fide miracles in my life. One was the healing of my wife’s back when I laid hands on her. It’s a complicated story, but the bottom line is that it was as if it was not actually me doing it.

Anyway, 15 years later I told my pastor at my new church about it and he said something similar happened to him.

As a pastor, part of his job is to visit and pray for the sick and dying. Well, he admitted to having consternation about it because sometimes it is the Lord’s will that a person die. After all, we ALL die. He clarified that sometimes his heart was not into praying that the person live. He felt that the person was going to die and he needed to pray for other related things - the family, etc.

But there was one guy. He was going to die, no doubt about it. But the pastor had the same “experience” I did. It’s a weird “knowing” that is hard to put into words. His prayer, like mine, felt like it was not really him doing it. But he, like in my case, felt absolutely compelled to do it.

Bottom line is that the guy lived.

As Christians we can get complacent. But the Lord’s will WILL be done. And when you see it before your very eyes it is many things. It is humbling. It is empowering. It is earth shaking. But more than any of those things, it reminds you of just how temporal and only “partially real” our life is compared to the REAL world of eternity.


9 posted on 12/05/2012 5:58:52 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: nickcarraway

The apostle Paul said “To live is Christ and to die is gain.”

One can interpret it any way they choose. I know how I interpret it.


10 posted on 12/05/2012 6:04:18 PM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: nickcarraway

11 posted on 12/05/2012 6:07:46 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: nickcarraway
The atheist has nothing to live for because in the end there is nothing. Expressed in Groundhog Day by Bill Murray, if there is no tomorrow, there are no consequences for today.

Some will live an ethical life because they feel it is the right thing to do. Others will strive to create a heaven on earth because that's all there is. (Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Obama)

12 posted on 12/05/2012 6:08:32 PM PST by AU72
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To: cuban leaf

I have Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis. Terminal. I am in a WIN WIN situation. If I die tonight, I will be with Jesus, if I live, another day to be with family and friends.


13 posted on 12/05/2012 6:24:23 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: nickcarraway

I pray for the sick and dying, and so do a lot of other freepers. I know that when I had Hodgkins disease some time back, and was undergoing chemotherapy, I really appreciated the prayers of my friends, and felt that they were a big help.

I am not under the illusion that praying for someone means that I can determine their fate. Basically, I pray for the best outcome for the person and their family, as God wills. God knows best, whether it is a miraculous cure or the grace to truly repent of one’s sins before dying, and to compose the soul in preparation for the journey to the next life.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 6:28:34 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: AU72

I think you miss an important point.

There is no point to humanity in living “ethical lives” absent a certainty that there exists a conflict of good versus evil.


15 posted on 12/05/2012 6:36:28 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: nickcarraway

What IF...... as the bible states no one actually dies but will live forever somewhere?..
In some state, in some place, with joy or sorrow for things done or not done(or both), while human...

Responsibility for our actions and inaction.. What IF?...
That human life was a “TEST” of your preferences..
Proving who and what you spiritually are.... closing all debate..


16 posted on 12/05/2012 6:36:50 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I’m so sorry to hear you suffering from that.


17 posted on 12/05/2012 6:39:48 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: dragonblustar

Thanks

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18 posted on 12/05/2012 6:41:31 PM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: nickcarraway
Good question. Why beseech God to let someone continue to suffer on earth rather than experience ethereal joy in the hereafter?

Only answer I can conjure up is hope for a healing miracle, not just continuation of the status quo, which may very well suck bigtime.

19 posted on 12/05/2012 6:44:19 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: nickcarraway

Our Existance is not “Ours”

It is a Gift
For which we have Stewardship

It is not Ours to Give or Take
This Life is His to Give and Take
It is not up to us to determine whether
we are better off Alive or Dead

Be that as it may,
We are under command to pray for the sick

James 5:14-15 ESV
Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven.

Jewish tradition ordains that whenever the Torah is read one is granted a special and uniquely opportune moment to invoke blessing for those in need of divine intervention. From time immemorial it has therefore been the custom to recite a “Mi Sheberach” (prayer for the sick) on behalf of people who are ill.

http://www.jewishto.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/1259083/jewish/Prayer-for-the-Sick.htm

And from Islam
Allahuma rabbi-nas adhhabal ba’sa, ashfi wa entashafi, la shifa’ illa shifa’uka shifa’ la yughadiru saqama.

Oh Allah! The Sustainer of Mankind! Remove the illness, cure the disease. You are the One Who cures. There is no cure except Your cure. Grant us a cure that leaves no illness. (Recommended to touch the area of pain with the right hand while reciting this supplication.)

http://islam.about.com/od/prayer/qt/DuaSickness.htm


20 posted on 12/05/2012 6:56:54 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Coldwater Creek

My mother suffered from that condition as well. May God bless you and keep you during the time you have left.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 9:07:59 PM PST by Smittie
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To: nickcarraway

Purgatory is not fun. Delay it as long as possible.


22 posted on 12/05/2012 9:16:36 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Smittie

Thanks!


23 posted on 12/06/2012 4:38:50 AM PST by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadows of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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