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Who instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor? (TruNews Broadcast)
TruNews ^ | Dec 6, 2012 | Rick Wiles

Posted on 12/07/2012 11:18:50 AM PST by Errant

Guest: Author John Koster discusses his book, "Operation Snow - Who instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor?"

Interview begins at 11 mins into the broadcast.

Link to streaming audio

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Conspiracy; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: communists; fdr; japan; johnkoster; operationsnow; pearlharbor; wwii
Interesting theory on what led to the United States joining the war - Communist infiltrators at the highest levels of our government. Sound familar?
1 posted on 12/07/2012 11:18:56 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

It’s Prescott Bush’s fault?


2 posted on 12/07/2012 11:22:02 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Errant

I thought it was the Bilderberg Group.


3 posted on 12/07/2012 11:22:02 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

teddy roosvelt IMPERIAL CRUISE


4 posted on 12/07/2012 11:24:21 AM PST by bravo whiskey
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To: Errant

I thought it was Bat Boy.


5 posted on 12/07/2012 11:25:02 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Errant
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"


6 posted on 12/07/2012 11:26:22 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: All

Harry Dexter White


7 posted on 12/07/2012 11:29:31 AM PST by Errant
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To: Yo-Yo
"Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"


8 posted on 12/07/2012 11:33:51 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Yo-Yo

I wondered how long it would be before the Animal House reference came in.

“WINNER!!!”


9 posted on 12/07/2012 11:35:10 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Fiji Hill

Ha! Knew the Germans would get revenge for Denmark invading Latvia!!


10 posted on 12/07/2012 11:38:04 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Errant

“Who instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor?”

Why, Sarah Palin, of course /idiot Matt Damon

(well, he’s said other idiotic things about her)


11 posted on 12/07/2012 11:38:04 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Yo-Yo

Beluchi is no worse here than the current group of “leaders”, or in my lexicon, anti American criminals.


12 posted on 12/07/2012 11:45:07 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Errant
I recall a talk show caller stating that while at the USS Arizona Memorial she heard a teenage visitor say that the Japanese attack was understandable and was in retaliation for us bombing them with nuclear weapons.
13 posted on 12/07/2012 11:53:35 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: Errant

Listened to interview yesterday & was going to post.

Thanks. Excellent interview and so relevant for today. Will it take 70 years to turn this administration inside out?


14 posted on 12/07/2012 11:56:44 AM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: bravo whiskey

Yep.


15 posted on 12/07/2012 11:57:13 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred.)
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To: thouworm
Will it take 70 years to turn this administration inside out?

Not IMO; their plan will soon be all in the open, for what's coming with this administration in power, will make all previous conflict pale to insignificance.

16 posted on 12/07/2012 12:08:08 PM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
Who instigated the attack on Pearl Harbor?

Ron Paul would tell you that we instigated it by meddling in Japan's affairs.

17 posted on 12/07/2012 12:13:06 PM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Fred Nerks
Interesting theory on what led to the United States joining the war - Communist infiltrators at the highest levels of our government. Sound familar?

FYI ping (if you listen to audio, start at min 11)

18 posted on 12/07/2012 12:15:27 PM PST by thouworm (.)
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To: Errant

The USS Ward (DD-139) instigated the attack by firing on and sinking a Japanese submarine just outside of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese retaliated by attacking Pearl Harbor a couple of hours later.


19 posted on 12/07/2012 12:15:50 PM PST by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: Errant

Franklin Pierce(one of Barby Bush’s distant relitives)!


20 posted on 12/07/2012 12:22:21 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: aomagrat; All
The USS Ward (DD-139) instigated the attack by firing on and
sinking a Japanese submarine just outside of Pearl Harbor.
The Japanese retaliated by attacking Pearl Harbor a couple of hours later.
HEY!..Don't give 'em any (more) excuses...



21 posted on 12/07/2012 12:23:08 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (I take tomorrows, spend it all today; who can take your income and tax it all away? Zer0 Man can! :-)
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To: aomagrat; All

Sorry the USS Ward had every right to do so..


22 posted on 12/07/2012 12:49:21 PM PST by KevinDavis (And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein.)
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To: Errant
I did not listen to the audio but I did find this about the book, Operation Snow: How a Soviet Mole in FDR's White House Triggered Pearl Harbor.

Years ago I posted a similar thought that was countered by a very knowledgeable and reasonable argument.

First, I believe that American progressives of the era opposed going to war against Hitler after his August 1939 nonaggression pact with their Uncle Joe. Progressives demanded war against Hitler in June, 1941 when Hitler attacked their beloved workers' paradise.

I find it very creditable that Uncle Joe Stalin worried about Japan especially after June. He needed help. Something had to be done.

I first heard from some Europeans that the FDR administration provoked Japan.

It's NOT tinfoil hat stuff to say that some people very close to FDR were communists or sympathetic to Uncle Joe's workers' paradise.

In a biography of Armand Hammer I read that it was he who sold the idea of a generous lend lease program for the Soviet Union to a willing FDR Administration. In the 1930s the Export-Import Bank was created to help the Soviets. I've known FDR Democrats (in 1940s - 50s) who could tear up talking about their Uncle Joe.

IMO, the FDR Administration wanted some kind of act of war from Japan as an excuse. No one likely thought that it would be that big.

Pearl Harbor made the isolationists give full support to FDR. But by 1944 when it was obvious that we'd win Republicans did debate post war plans with the Democrats.

Republicans wanted a tough stand against communism, the Democrats became the isolationists.

Another FReeper responded to my comment that: Stalin worried about Japan.

"Stalin wasn't worried about the Japanese. The Red Army had thoroughly bloodied the Japanese Army's nose in the border clashes of the late '30s. The Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact signed in April 1941 was pushed for by the Japanese, who by then had already decided their thrust was going to be to the south. The Japanese had every reason not to provoke the Soviets and the Soviets understood this, otherwise they would not have depleted their forces in the Far East by sending them to Europe as they did."


23 posted on 12/07/2012 12:57:01 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: aomagrat
The USS Ward (DD-139) instigated the attack by firing on and sinking a Japanese submarine just outside of Pearl Harbor. The Japanese retaliated by attacking Pearl Harbor a couple of hours later.

Ah. I believe that was a midget submarine, part of the Pearl Harbor attack. To think the Japanese could organize a large calculated attack in retaliation is simply ridiculous.

24 posted on 12/07/2012 1:11:32 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: thouworm
thanks for the ping, I've just finished reading World War Two BEHIND CLOSED DOORS - Stalin, The Nazis and the West by Laurence Rees.

I can highly recommend the book.

...The Americans did not seem to believe that they would be the victims of a Japanese attack...

~snip

It was a massive misjudgement. Far from seeking to disengage with the Japanese after the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Americans were driven on by a sense of righteous indignation to pursue vengeance against Japan. 'Remember Pearl Harbor!' became the rallying cry of American forces in the war that followed...

25 posted on 12/07/2012 1:35:05 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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RE: Remember Pearl Harbor

FDR immediately declared a war on "sneak attackers" and cautioned Americans that it was not a war against the peaceful Imperial Japanese government . . . .

26 posted on 12/07/2012 2:28:00 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: SkyDancer

Damn that Charlie Chaplin!

27 posted on 12/07/2012 2:33:32 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Dang! I knew it.


28 posted on 12/07/2012 2:36:17 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: SkyDancer

Thank God for The “Un”.


29 posted on 12/07/2012 2:39:00 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Looking closer, that doesn’t look like the real Chaplin. Looks like someone dressed up as him. Gotta be those Latvians. They were somehow in cahoots with Denmark. Or something like that.


30 posted on 12/07/2012 3:24:29 PM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Fiji Hill

I just watched “From Here to Eternity” and it was clearly US Navy Douglas Dauntless Dive Bombers and Grumman Avenger Torpedo Bombers that made the runs against the ships at Pearl Harbor, while USAAF T-6 Texan advanced trainers painted to look like Japanese Zeros strafed Schofield Barracks. Thus it was an entirely US Navy and USAAF inside job that was then blamed on the Japanese.


31 posted on 12/07/2012 4:52:07 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; Errant

Christina Shelton, in her recent biography of Alger Hiss, wrote that Hiss and or Harry Dexter White, kept State Department position papers from either the Sec State or FDR that made the case against the oil embargo against Japan. The position paper(s?) stated that a denial of oil supplies would very likely lead to a decision by the Japanese to attack the Dutch Indies (Indonesia) and British colony of Borneo to seize their oil wells. And probably to attack the Philippine Islands as the US Navy there was in a position to cut the Japense supply line back to Japan from the Dutch Indies.


32 posted on 12/07/2012 5:08:00 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Errant

Just posted a article from that author here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2966761/posts


33 posted on 12/07/2012 6:20:00 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: GreyFriar

On Showtime, the anti-American director Oliver Stone’s busy repainting FDR’s Communist Henry Wallace into a patriot despite revelations from the USSR wiretap, the Venona Project which exposes Wallace as a Soviet spymaster.


34 posted on 12/07/2012 6:28:27 PM PST by STD (“Cogito, ergo armatum sum)
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Thanks for the information.

Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White? Well.. even without Stalin asking, his people were trying to help him settle the score with Imperial Japan -- others including O. John Rogge were helping Stalin; to wit, FDR pressured DOJ to prosecute his (FDR's) critics. The critics were mostly anti-Stalin, anti-communists who had opposed the war prior to Pearl Harbor. DoJ assigned O. John Rogge to be the prosecutor.

Rogge had been a good friend of Soviet dictator Josef Stalin, was involved in numerous communist front groups, and had visited Russia, where he spoke in the Kremlin and laid a wreath at the grave of American Communist Party co-founder John Reed in Red Square. His wreath was inscribed: “In loving memory from grateful Americans.” . . . Rogge was an American delegate to a world communist “peace conference” in Paris and was a lawyer for many communists in trouble with the law. He was the attorney for David Greenglass, the atomic spy who saved his own life by turning state’s evidence against his sister and brother-in-law, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg [who] went to the electric chair for turning over U.S. atomic secrets to the Soviets. [Rogge] was thus eventually exposed for what he was. No wonder he was so fanatical in his hatred against the Sedition Trial defendants, all of whom were anti-communists.

I like to mention A Mockery of Justice The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 often.. because I see Great "Sedition" Trials of 201x - 201x" a coming.

35 posted on 12/07/2012 7:06:41 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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I believe that American progressives of the era opposed going to war against Hitler after his August 1939 nonaggression pact with their Uncle Joe. Progressives demanded war against Hitler in June, 1941 when Hitler attacked their beloved workers' paradise.
Having read
The New Dealers' War:
FDR and the War Within World War II
by Thomas Fleming
I was strongly inclined toward that view. Because the US Navy became more aggressive in protecting shipping from America to Britain “though out the summer of 1941” - which, when you consider that summer started on June 22 and so did Hitler’s invasion of the USSR. This, after diplomatic recognition of the USSR had been FDR’s first foreign policy act.
But having recently read
Freedom's Forge:
How American Business Produced Victory in World War II
Arthur Herman
I realize that that apparently is not the case. Because that book make a very credible case that FDR was frantically working to keep Britain in the war from Dunkirk on. The British Army was essentially unarmed after Dunkirk, and FDR sold all the Army’s WWI surplus (because the US Army was adopting the Garand) rifles. And allowed Britain (and France, before its fall) to shop for arms in America with little or no restriction. Churchill occasionally sent FDR a telegram warning of Britain’sprecarious position - at one point warning that if Britain fell, Churchill obviously could not speak to what his successors might feel obliged to allow Hitler to do with the Royal Navy. FDR did not want the Royal Navy to appear off the coast of New Jersey.

You probably know, as I already had, that the British had sent the blueprints for the Rolls Royce Merlin fighter engine and plans for radar and the Wittle jet engine, and other advanced devices to America. But it had not sunk in to me that that was over a year before Pearl Harbor. The British also paid cash on the barrelhead, as long as they were able, for American supplies - and FDR made sure that that money helped the US build up its military-industrial complex.

As under Secretary of the Navy, FDR had seen first hand that during WWI America’s factories had never delivered any military materiel to Europe, still less the front, before the shooting ended. And he knew that a repeat of that performance would be disastrous in WWII. So he called Bertrand Russell, the only industrialist who had impressed him during WWI. Russell demurred, saying he was too old for the job, but recommended Bill Knudsen. Knudsen had immigrated in 1900, had gone to work for Ford, risen to Henry’s right hand man, and had quit in a policy dispute in 1920. He then signed on with a struggling auto company known as General Motors, and brought the Chevrolet division up to parity with Ford. So basically from the time of Dunkirk to the time of Pearl Harbor, Knudsen - operating as a dollar-a-year man - organized the American ability to mass produce war materiel. Knudsen gave FDR an estimate of 18 months to finish preparation for mass production - first get enough machine tools, then enough factory space, and so on - and was ready to seriously ramp up production when the smoke cleared away from Pearl Harbor.

That 18 month period from Dunkirk to Pearl Harbor meant that America was even more of a “sleeping giant” than Yamamoto knew in 1941. America had few warplanes in 1941 - but it was in a position to undertake to make 50,000 planes (many multiengine) in 1942.


36 posted on 12/07/2012 8:07:31 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Thank you for the information.

I am reminded of something I heard on the John Batchelor show about the GNP and the role it played during W.W.II. This is from Batchelor's website:

1005P Jim Lacey . . . tells how a few obscure American economists guided the miracle of production that crushed the Axis. In 1940-1943 all-outer military chiefs and Roosevelt himself badly misjudged American capacities of labor, materials and finance. Their jumbled arms programs were out of touch with reality. Lacey persuasively describes how the economists, applying then-new statistical measure like gross national product, convinced them to recalibrate output to credible goals that assured a timely victory.

A little serendipity here. Mr. Edward S. Miller, author of Bankrupting the Enemy: The U.S. Financial Siege of Japan Before Pearl Harbor, was mentioned associated with the above. The new book is described:

"Award-winning author Edward S. Miller contends in this new work that the United States forced Japan into international bankruptcy to deter its aggression. While researching newly declassified records of the Treasury and Federal Reserve, Miller, a retired chief financial executive of a Fortune 500 resources corporation, uncovered just how much money mattered . . . ."

37 posted on 12/07/2012 8:50:45 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; GreyFriar; STD
Awesome amount of knowledgeable information who've all provided!

As with these kind of events, it's much more to it than the average person will ever know.

Thanks for posting,

38 posted on 12/08/2012 10:12:50 AM PST by Errant
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