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Dinosaurs and Denial
New York Times ^ | Dec 7, 2012 | Charles M. Blow

Posted on 12/08/2012 6:44:00 PM PST by posterchild

Finally, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — a Tea Party darling and possible 2016 presidential candidate — admits that dinosaurs and humans didn’t co-exist.

Last month, when GQ asked Rubio “how old do you think the Earth is?” he stammered through an answer.

“I’m not a scientist, man. I can tell you what recorded history says. I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that’s a dispute amongst theologians.” He continued, “Whether the Earth was created in 7 days, or 7 actual eras, I’m not sure we’ll ever be able to answer that. It’s one of the great mysteries.”

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Thems New York Times folk sher iz wikid smart.
1 posted on 12/08/2012 6:44:05 PM PST by posterchild
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To: posterchild

If it weren’t for shallow stereotypes and racial profiles, the NYT wouldn’t know what to talk about.


2 posted on 12/08/2012 6:50:47 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: posterchild

This asshat’s name fits him perfectly.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 6:54:51 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I feel sad for my once great country. We deserve everything that is about to happen to us.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

They do have some excellent coverage of business, travel, and technology, but they have their share of culturally clueless bloviators.


4 posted on 12/08/2012 6:56:14 PM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: posterchild

Benghazi?
Fiscal cliff?
Prolonged period of high unemployment?
Illegal immigration?

Forget all that stuff! It doesn’t matter!!! We’re here to talk about the important stuff ... like dinosaurs!


5 posted on 12/08/2012 6:56:14 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: posterchild

Looks like the liberals are already scared of Rubio; the smears begin.


6 posted on 12/08/2012 6:57:07 PM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the far North)
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To: posterchild
I'm an old-Earth creationist. That said, it is now socially unacceptable to be a young-Earth creationist complete with public derision and career repercussions.

Folks who feel the need to shout down Creationists should examine their own motives very carefully. They are close to becoming the same kind of rigid, close-minded thugs that they claim their opponents are.

7 posted on 12/08/2012 7:02:44 PM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: sima_yi

He must be over the target.

As Rush said a week or two ago the question (which always seem out of place and especially contrived) was meant specifically as fodder for effluent like this.


8 posted on 12/08/2012 7:04:13 PM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: posterchild

Gee... if the NYT is so smart... then they can publish their opinion of when, how, & how long the earth has been in existence.


9 posted on 12/08/2012 7:04:32 PM PST by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: Fully Awake DAV

They could at least print Obama’s answer to the same question.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 7:05:51 PM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Some scientists say that birds are living dinosaurs...so people and dinosaurs have co-existed.


11 posted on 12/08/2012 7:16:06 PM PST by Verginius Rufus (Corruptissima re publica plurimae leges: P. Cornelius Tacitus, Annales III.27.3)
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To: posterchild
He should have answered "I'm not that old. I wasn't around, so I don't know for certain. How long do you think?"

Throw the question back at them. Make them expose their position.

12 posted on 12/08/2012 7:20:18 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: posterchild

It may seem like an irrelevant question but it isn’t. I would not vote for someone who explicitly stated that they believe the Earth was created in 6 literal days. They are too irrational in my opinion to hold office and vote on laws effecting everyone’s lives. If a private citizen believed that, that’s fine. I don’t have to deal with them.

Many people are what I call culturally religious. They go to church regularly but when it comes to believing every doctrine that is preached in church they don’t really believe in much of it. So I might vote for them if the alternative was a disaster waiting to happen like Obama. After all I voted for Romney but I don’t know how much of the Mormon doctrine he truly believes. If I knew he really believed half of it I would have had a much harder time voting for him. For me, it is troubling that Senator Rubio hemmed and hawed about answering that question because it tells me he might believe or at the very least he hasn’t given the subject much thought.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 7:23:40 PM PST by albionin (Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and)
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To: albionin

What’s it matter? It is what it is. What a person believes about when and how the earth was created won’t change the facts.


14 posted on 12/08/2012 7:41:17 PM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: lp boonie

As I said it matters, at least to me as a voter, because it goes to their rationality. Someone who believes that the Earth was created in 6 literal days is too irrational to be trusted to vote on my behalf. A politician is campaigning for everyones’ vote and not just fundamentalist Christians.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 7:51:53 PM PST by albionin (Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and)
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To: posterchild
They could at least print Obama’s answer to the same question.

They would never ask Obama a question like that, unless Obama had the question in advance. NYT would be worried that he might answer, "Oh, probably 5 or 6oo years". Remember the "57 states"?

16 posted on 12/08/2012 7:53:54 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: lp boonie
What’s it matter? It is what it is.

Yep.
17 posted on 12/08/2012 8:05:28 PM PST by caveat emptor
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To: Graybeard58

They did though the answer might have been translated from the original Austrian.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/21/obama_once_gave_rubio_like_answer_on_earths_age/


18 posted on 12/08/2012 8:17:00 PM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: albionin

I’d be happy to see journalists start with simple questions like ‘do you believe in the philosophy behind the laffer curve’, or perhaps ‘what are your thoughts on the current relevance of the 10th amendment.’


19 posted on 12/08/2012 8:20:28 PM PST by posterchild (Remember that thou art dust, and to dust thou shalt return.)
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To: posterchild

Me too but I think the question of the age of the Earth is fair even if there are more important things to discuss. What do you think of Marxism would be good one to start out with also.


20 posted on 12/08/2012 8:25:49 PM PST by albionin (Do not lose your knowledge that man's proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and)
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To: posterchild

Give the straight answers, not play around the words in fear of the nuts. Show some leadership. I think creationists are same as liberals — living in a make believe fantasy land and feeling offended when somebody pops their bubble.


21 posted on 12/08/2012 8:27:24 PM PST by sagar
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To: posterchild

If they want a REAL bizarre answer to that question, ask ANY muslim cleric.

He’ll tell you that allah made the earth out of a big blood clot and then Adam, no, Abraham...no wait! Mohammed built the kaaba as the next order of bizness.

I am not making this up.


22 posted on 12/08/2012 8:34:20 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: posterchild

Here we go - I’ve been wondering how the left was going to delegitimize a man as attractive and well-spoken as Rubio before 2016, and this looks like the start - jump on every careless or provocative statement he makes (you know - things like “57 states” or “vote for revenge”) to make him sound ignorant or out-of-touch - after four years of such relentless demonization 83% of the public will believe he can’t tie his own shoe laces in the morning......


23 posted on 12/08/2012 8:56:31 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: sima_yi

I do not get the Rubio bandwagon...the man was born to Cuban citizens living in the US, both of whom only became naturalized only when he was a about 4 years old

Does obama’s trashing the Constitution’s natural born citizen requirment make it OK for any anchor baby to run as President?


24 posted on 12/08/2012 9:05:39 PM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: posterchild

Is Charles Blow a paleontologist? Has he done original research into this? How does he claim to know how old the earth is?

He relies on Authority, same as a Biblical literalist. Make him admit it!


25 posted on 12/08/2012 9:12:23 PM PST by Argus
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To: posterchild

The only thing Charles is Blowing is hot air out of the wrong end. Rubio should have been ready for the gottcha moment.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 9:56:59 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: albionin

“For me, it is troubling that Senator Rubio hemmed and hawed about answering that question because it tells me he might believe or at the very least he hasn’t given the subject much thought.”

No, he was walking a tight rope between not wanting to offend the evangelicals and creationists, who make up a decent chunk of the conservative base, and being ridiculed by the rest of the world if he said the earth was 6000 years old. So he chose to stammer.

But that ain’t going to work long term. As with the abortion issue, the left has learned how to exploit inconsistencies between science and the belief systems of some conservatives, so whoever is going to run for national office better pick one side or the other and be consistent and confident about it. I would recommend they pick the scientific answer. Even the pope eventually agreed with Galileo.

We lost two slam dunk senate seats because of stupid answers to these type of issues. Don’t think for a minute the dems are going to forget it.


27 posted on 12/08/2012 10:32:00 PM PST by aquila48
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To: Smokin' Joe

“Throw the question back at them. Make them expose their position.”

Naaa, They would just reply, “According to St. (Carl) Sagan 1:1, the earth is Billions & Billions of years old”. (Not to be confused with St. (Harry) Reid 5:17, “Trillions & Trillions”.

After all this is the NYT.


28 posted on 12/08/2012 11:57:40 PM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege

But, then you just smile and reply “Well, there you go. If you already knew, why’d you ask?” and leave them with a non-answer.


29 posted on 12/09/2012 12:45:16 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"stereoptypes"

I've known a number of Democrats who believe in the recent earth theory. I think the Dem elites would be shocked to know how many of their constituents i.e. Obamatons are creationists.

30 posted on 12/09/2012 1:49:43 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Smokin' Joe

31 posted on 12/09/2012 2:06:22 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege

You have a point! (Actually, I’m for deflecting the landmine questions, turning them around and using the interviewer’s answers to nail down their position—and bias—something which lets everyone know what the interviewer is pushing.)


32 posted on 12/09/2012 2:31:23 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: posterchild
The earth and indeed linear time have no meaning absent Man and The word of God for which they were created. (If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound? In the absence of an intelligent auditor, no). God created Time but until He placed Man in it it had no meaning or point.

I have no problem with the earth being only as old as the Bible says. The One who wrote the Bible invented Time and gets to define it in all respects.

33 posted on 12/09/2012 6:01:12 AM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: posterchild
No matter what Rubio says, they are going to mock him. However,many paleontologists believe that birds are dinosaurs of the same family as the infamous raptors. So, if you think of humans and dinosaurs coexisting, think not of Fred Flint-stone, but of Long John Silver.

34 posted on 12/09/2012 6:59:19 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: sagar
I think creationists are same as liberals — living in a make believe fantasy land and feeling offended when somebody pops their bubble.

HMMmm...

I wonder what evolved first; the penis or the vagina???

35 posted on 12/09/2012 1:28:47 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: albionin
I would not vote for someone who explicitly stated that they believe the Earth was created in 6 literal days. They are too irrational in my opinion to hold office and vote on laws effecting everyone’s lives.

I would not vote for someone who would NOT deny that they believe their religion teaches that they would be a GOD someday. They are too timid IMHO to hold office and vote on laws effecting everyone’s lives.


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


36 posted on 12/09/2012 1:33:25 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: albionin
After all I voted for Romney but I don’t know how much of the Mormon doctrine he truly believes.

A lotof Christians voted for Romney but it indicates to me that they:

1. Don't know what MORMONism teachs
2. Don't CARE what MORMONism teachs
3. Don't KNOW what the BIBLE teaches
4. Don't CARE what the BIBLE teaches.

37 posted on 12/09/2012 1:35:49 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: albionin; Elsie
After all I voted for Romney but I don’t know how much of the Mormon doctrine he truly believes.

Romney has lived and breathed mormonism his entire life, he could never have received the Temple Recommend without doing so, not to mention become a Mormon Bishop and Stake President. He swallows all of it, whole hog and you think being a "New Earth creationist" is too weird in a candidate to vote for?

38 posted on 12/09/2012 2:35:19 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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