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Amazing tale of a desperate WWII pilot’s encounter with a German flying ace
NY Post ^ | december 9, 2012 | MAUREEN CALLAHAN

Posted on 12/09/2012 5:23:56 AM PST by lowbridge

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To: Travis McGee
War is hell. There are damned few salutes made by enemies, and many more atrocities of varying types and degrees.

I think the sides tend to get more hard nosed the longer they are in combat.

I read a story by an American Infantry Officer, that occurred during the early days of the Italian Campaign (1943). His unit and a German unit ran into each other, had a vicious fire fight, and both sides retreated, leaving their wounded behind. The German CO sent out a messenger under a white flag, and offered a brief truce, so that the wounded could be recovered. The American CO agreed, and for an hour or two the German and American medics worked together in no man's land, between the opposing units, to find and stabilize the wounded from both sides, and see to it that they were evacuated to their own lines. The American Officer said that guys whose first experience of the was the vicious fighting in the Winter of 44-45, or later, refused to believe that such a thing had happened.

41 posted on 12/09/2012 8:34:31 PM PST by Pilsner
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To: Pilsner

Yeah, and both viewpoints would have been right about their location and time. Very different wars from year to year and theater to theater.


42 posted on 12/09/2012 8:41:34 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I was already watching one of my favorite war movies, “RedTails”. Watched battle of Britain this morning.
I need to find a Bluray copy of Memphis Belle.


43 posted on 12/09/2012 8:50:43 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Travis McGee
War is hell. I'm glad we won it. What's the moral of the story? Not every German was a pitiless Nazi killer, every minute. And not every American fighter pilot was exactly a saint.

War is hell.

In Yeager's book, he tells about missions where they went down and shot every car, horse, bike, cow, hog, person, boat or bus that they could find in their assigned area. He said they didn't like doing those missions and if that's how they are going to do things, they damn sure better win the war.

44 posted on 12/09/2012 9:00:14 PM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Travis McGee

I lived over there for a few years as a dependent. You are right, fascinating people. They seem to have this bizarre combination of an appreciation for beauty and capacity for brutality. (I admit, I liked them as a kid)

I had to laugh when I was reading about the USS Astoria bringing the ashes of their ambassador back to Japan in 1939, and after the visit one of the officers on the ship said something to the effect of never having seen a country where the women were so beautiful and sweet and the men were such sons of bitches.

The Japanese had the last laugh on her, though, at Savo Island.


45 posted on 12/09/2012 9:10:52 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: eartrumpet
Check Out these guys about 13:20 in...

They were probably just peasant fishermen, but...the argument could be (and was) made at the time they were providing fish to dry and stick in rice balls for the front line troops. When total war comes, everyone gets it.

46 posted on 12/09/2012 9:17:12 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Eye of Unk

My favorite war movie is “The Best Years Of Their Lives”.


47 posted on 12/09/2012 9:18:11 PM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Travis McGee
Then the young emporer told them all to stand down, and they did.

Almost all.

Recall the attempted coup on the eve of the scheduled broadcast of the Emperor's surrender announcement.

The Last Mission: The Secret History of World War II's Final Battle

48 posted on 12/10/2012 2:01:05 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Then the young emporer told them all to stand down, and they did.

Almost all.

Recall the attempted coup on the eve of the scheduled broadcast of the Emperor's surrender announcement.

The Last Mission: The Secret History of World War II's Final Battle

49 posted on 12/10/2012 2:01:28 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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The Last Missino is a tremendous documentary. But the palace coup attempt was before the emperor’s message was actually broadcast. Once his voice went out, that was it.


50 posted on 12/10/2012 4:21:14 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: eartrumpet

Old Chuck sure had the right stuff. In spades. We don’t make them like that any more.


51 posted on 12/10/2012 4:23:39 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: rlmorel

That is amazing color WW2 gun camera footage!


52 posted on 12/10/2012 4:28:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Squantos

Amen to that. When I was a young airman, I had the distinct pleasure of serving with a couple of older men (retired in so-called double dipper status) who had been doing the same in that war over Europe and the Pacific.

I especially like the story one told me about Dec 7th, (Dec 8th in the PI) 1941. He was a B-17 waist gunner who had a part time job as a bartender at the O’Club on Clark AB in the Phillipines. He worked late the night before and was allowed to sleep in. He was woke up by a buddy who told him they were going to bomb Formosa. While getting dressed the Japs attacked Clark Field. His plane made it through unscathed, and when he got to it, more than half the planes on Clark were destroyed.

He later flew out to Mindinao, and to Australia before the PI fell. He was later transferred to England, and had several enocunters he should have died from over Europe; too many to tell.

I love these old tales. I had to keep in mind, too, that the old guys telling them were, at the time, young fellows like me. Now, I’m an old guy like they were when they told me!


53 posted on 12/10/2012 5:09:27 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Travis McGee

You do have a point there...


54 posted on 12/10/2012 5:20:57 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

I had a female professor - a german expatriate - in JC who told us the same sort of story.


55 posted on 12/10/2012 6:33:45 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Alas Babylon!

Wow.... Thanks for sharing that story.

You might like some of the stories on this old thread as well....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2515571/posts?page=43#43

Stay safe ...!


56 posted on 12/10/2012 2:56:44 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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