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NTSB To Help Investigate Plane Crash That Killed Singer Jenni Rivera
AP/CBSLA.com) ^ | December 10, 2012 6:42 AM

Posted on 12/10/2012 8:45:52 AM PST by BenLurkin

The National Transportation Safety Board has been called in to help investigate the plane crash that killed singer Jenni Rivera and six others in northern Mexico over the weekend.

Rivera, 43, had performed a concert in Monterrey, Mexico before boarding a Learjet25 early Sunday morning.

The flight took off around 3:30 a.m. and was reported missing 10 minutes later after airport officials lost contact with the pilots, Mexican authorities said.

Rivera’s makeup artist, lawyer and publicist, as well as the flight crew are all believed to be among those killed in the crash, CBS News reports.

(Excerpt) Read more at losangeles.cbslocal.com ...


TOPICS: Local News
KEYWORDS: jennirivera; ntsb; planecrash
Is Mexico going to foot the bill?
1 posted on 12/10/2012 8:45:55 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Why? Why are we involving ourselves in this?

Next act: “the gringoes are covering something up.”


2 posted on 12/10/2012 8:48:54 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: BenLurkin
She's a U.S. citizen. Would you want the NTSB investigating your crash?
3 posted on 12/10/2012 8:50:01 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

So every accident, no matter where in the world it occurs, should be investigated by the US if a citizen is involved? That, quite simply, is madness. No wonder this country is bankrupt.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 8:55:51 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: thesharkboy
The plane was registered to Starwood Management of Las Vegas, Nevada....

Short answer, probably yes.

5 posted on 12/10/2012 8:57:29 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: thesharkboy

Accident investigations are not why the country is bamkrupt.

NTSB serves us much better than TSA.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 9:02:28 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: 1rudeboy

My car is registered in California. If I drive to Mexico and have a traffic accident, should the California Highway Patrol get involved?


7 posted on 12/10/2012 9:04:06 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: 1rudeboy

“She’s a U.S. citizen... wouldn’t you want the NTSB to investigate your crash?”

I don’t think NTSB would investigate any ole’ U.S. citizens crash. I’m going to say this and flame if you want... the reason they are going to investigate is because of the minority group she belongs and she was a singer. IMHO.


8 posted on 12/10/2012 9:04:58 AM PST by momtothree
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To: thesharkboy

I suppose that would depend if you trust the Mexican Highway Patrol to bet to the bottom of it. /s


9 posted on 12/10/2012 9:05:55 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: hoosierham

Every bit of excessive federal government spending has made us bankrupt, including investigations of accidents that happen on foreign soil.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 9:06:41 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: 1rudeboy

Is that a trick question?


11 posted on 12/10/2012 9:07:48 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: thesharkboy

Oh, and how many people died in your accident? Was there a faulty Mexican GPS unit involved, possibly?


12 posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:45 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

What I want, and who I would trust, is irrelevant.


13 posted on 12/10/2012 9:11:05 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: 1rudeboy

Irrelevant.


14 posted on 12/10/2012 9:12:11 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: thesharkboy

Bosh. If some Mexican authority dropped the ball on the investigation, you’d be the first here screaming to high heaven.


15 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:00 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: thesharkboy

Come on, let’s not get crazy here. If we are ever going to win again, we’ve got to stop sounding like curmudgeons.

The NTSB is often asked to assist with accidents in other countries. We have the best investigators in the world, and what we learn from any accident investigation, no matter where it occurs, benefits all aviators and passengers.

Again, we should be the thinking, rational party. Leave the uninformed knee-jerk reactions to the libs.


16 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:12 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: thesharkboy

Come on, let’s not get crazy here. If we are ever going to win again, we’ve got to stop sounding like curmudgeons.

The NTSB is often asked to assist with accidents in other countries. We have the best investigators in the world, and what we learn from any accident investigation, no matter where it occurs, benefits all aviators and passengers.

Again, we should be the thinking, rational party. Leave the uninformed knee-jerk reactions to the libs.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:12 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: thesharkboy

Come on, let’s not get crazy here. If we are ever going to win again, we’ve got to stop sounding like curmudgeons.

The NTSB is often asked to assist with accidents in other countries. We have the best investigators in the world, and what we learn from any accident investigation, no matter where it occurs, benefits all aviators and passengers.

Again, we should be the thinking, rational party. Leave the uninformed knee-jerk reactions to the libs.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:12 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: thesharkboy

Come on, let’s not get crazy here. If we are ever going to win again, we’ve got to stop sounding like curmudgeons.

The NTSB is often asked to assist with accidents in other countries. We have the best investigators in the world, and what we learn from any accident investigation, no matter where it occurs, benefits all aviators and passengers.

Again, we should be the thinking, rational party. Leave the uninformed knee-jerk reactions to the libs.


19 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:29 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: noiseman

Holy mother of multiple posting Batman! Sorry about that. Don’t know what happened.


20 posted on 12/10/2012 9:15:12 AM PST by noiseman (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: All

So my question is whether or not the drug cartel would have shot the plane down? They have killed several musicians over the past few years, just to make a point.

Could they have stepped it up a few levels in order to make a point?

Crazy thought...I know.


21 posted on 12/10/2012 9:15:50 AM PST by I_Publius
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To: I_Publius

Not in our jurisdiction to investigate, sorry. /s


22 posted on 12/10/2012 9:18:34 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: momtothree

As a routine matter, the NTSB offers to assist in the crash investigation of any American-designed aircraft, which includes the Lear 25.


23 posted on 12/10/2012 9:38:47 AM PST by LifePath
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To: BenLurkin

Probably want to start with the center fuel tank. ; (


24 posted on 12/10/2012 9:43:14 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: 1rudeboy
If some Mexican authority dropped the ball on the investigation, you’d be the first here screaming to high heaven.

The question is: Should the NTSB be involved in the investigation of accidents that happen on foreign soil? The fact that a foreign agency is incompetent is not relevant.

25 posted on 12/10/2012 9:44:56 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: noiseman
uninformed knee-jerk reactions

Ad hominem. Limited government is rational, and applying those limitations is a reasonable, thoughtful response to government over-reaching.

26 posted on 12/10/2012 9:47:41 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: thesharkboy
And the answer to your question is: yes. Furthermore, simply because you are unable to distinguish the point you are trying to make does not make an objection to it, "irrelevant."
27 posted on 12/10/2012 9:47:59 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: BenLurkin
When I was a little shorter in the tooth I helped surgeons in New York and New Haven who were experts in certain rarefied fields operate with laparoscopes on patients in places like New Delhi on their lunch breaks. We called our new technologies "telemedicine."


No, we didn't have "jurisdiction." But we sure saved lives, and the research we pioneered led to many more lives saved.


The difference between a TSA agent and an NTSB researcher is that one is a pizza-faced high-school grad control freak piglet whose aim is to make minimum wage, sniff panties and make innocent people feel uncomfortable and victimized.


The other is a student, scientist, materials expert, researcher, and out-of-the-box problem solver on some of the most complex and deadly cases imaginable whose aim is to kick failure in the ass and save lives... Maybe (probably) yours. If you've ever flown, you have NTSB agents to thank for their tireless, 24-7 / 365 / WORLDWIDE dedication to learning from EVERYTHING they can touch, making flying as safe as it is, and safer every day.
28 posted on 12/10/2012 9:49:18 AM PST by golux
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To: thesharkboy

The NTSB is not “over-reaching” by investigating the crash of a U.S.-built (so we’re told), U.S.-registered airplane which takes the lives of U.S. citizens.


29 posted on 12/10/2012 9:50:53 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: momtothree
“She’s a U.S. citizen... wouldn’t you want the NTSB to investigate your crash?”

I don’t think NTSB would investigate any ole’ U.S. citizens crash. I’m going to say this and flame if you want... the reason they are going to investigate is because of the minority group she belongs and she was a singer. IMHO.


It might be much more likely that the NTSB is interested in the Lear jet that was certified by the FAA in the US.

Accident investigations are one way of discovering design flaws.

30 posted on 12/10/2012 9:52:42 AM PST by az_gila
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To: 1rudeboy
And the answer to your question is: yes.

Care to provide justification for your answer? Or does the possibility that such an investigation on foreign soil may be "useful" provide sufficient justification?

31 posted on 12/10/2012 9:54:22 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: thesharkboy

I refer you to my comment #29.


32 posted on 12/10/2012 9:55:42 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: az_gila; LifePath

I see both your points. Thanks...


33 posted on 12/10/2012 9:59:35 AM PST by momtothree
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To: BenLurkin

The plane was registered in the US and I would assume had an American pilot. The crash of an American plane flown by an American should be investigated by the NTSB regardless where it take place or the nationalities of the passengers.


34 posted on 12/10/2012 10:07:23 AM PST by stormer
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To: momtothree
she was a singer.

she was a popular singer (entertainer)... this is why they are investigating... imo... if Johnny Depp or Angelina Jolie died in a plane crash over Monterrey, Mexico, the NTSB would likely investigate...

35 posted on 12/10/2012 10:08:51 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: latina4dubya

>>she was a popular singer (entertainer)... this is why they are investigating... imo... if Johnny Depp or Angelina Jolie died in a plane crash over Monterrey, Mexico, the NTSB would likely investigate...<<

True. They called in half the Navy in to find JFK Jr.


36 posted on 12/10/2012 10:15:18 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything... IS... a conspiracy)
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To: BenLurkin
Last pic taken before takeoff by a makeup artist. (from instagram account of her make up artist that perished in the crash)
37 posted on 12/10/2012 10:18:02 AM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, (it's back). 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: 1rudeboy

An assertion is not an argument.


38 posted on 12/10/2012 10:26:38 AM PST by thesharkboy (posting without reading the article since 1998)
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To: thesharkboy

Such as the “assertion” that this NTSB investigation is an example of governmental “overreach?” What just happened to your “argument?” Two can play this game.


39 posted on 12/10/2012 10:36:43 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

The investigation may involve the aircraft’s owner, who continues to operate a US business (Starwood) even after being deported after being released from Federal prison for fraud involving aircraft logbooks. Some detail on Christian Esquino
http://lapoliticaeslapolitica.blogspot.com/2012/04/trouble-with-christian-eduardo-esquino.html


40 posted on 12/10/2012 10:44:53 AM PST by staylowandkeepmoving
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To: ILS21R
They called in half the Navy in to find JFK Jr.

right!

41 posted on 12/10/2012 10:54:24 AM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: thesharkboy

NTSB gets involved to determine if there are factors which might affect other aircraft of the same type.

IOW, the next time you charter a Lear 25, would you not appreciate knowing if the wing had fallen off THIS Lear 25?


42 posted on 12/11/2012 6:50:53 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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