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Study suggests we could refreeze Arctic. But should we?
TheWindsorStar ^ | Dec. 10,2012 | Bob Weber,

Posted on 12/10/2012 10:33:55 PM PST by Daffynition

A record loss of Arctic sea ice and faster-than-expected melting of Greenland’s ice cap made worldwide headlines in 2012, but research published in major science journals in the fall suggest warming in the North doesn’t have to continue.

We could refreeze the Arctic, proposed a paper in Nature Climate Change. It wouldn’t even cost that much, said an affiliated study in Environmental Research Letters.

The question is should we?

“In terms of pure technical capacity, any significant nation in the world could do it,” said David Keith, a Calgarian and professor of applied physics at Harvard University, one of the lead authors in both studies.

“The really hard questions here aren’t mostly technical. They’re questions about what kind of planet we want and who we are.”


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I vote *YES* if it means AlGore will go away, finally.
1 posted on 12/10/2012 10:34:03 PM PST by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition

The Arctic is refreezing itself, but the lib media refuses to report on that.


2 posted on 12/10/2012 10:41:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Daffynition

How about if we just send Al Gore to the Arctic. Based on past history, he’s a one-man local cooling engine.


3 posted on 12/10/2012 10:56:50 PM PST by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Daffynition

We’d have to turn off the underwater volcanoes that are erupting in the Arctic first! Let’s see those enviro-nuts accomplish that one.


4 posted on 12/10/2012 11:00:27 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Daffynition

“They’re questions about what kind of planet we want and who we are.””

I’m a right-winger who wants all liberals eradicated on this planet.


5 posted on 12/10/2012 11:10:12 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Daffynition

Let me guess. They’re going to suggest ... winter.


6 posted on 12/10/2012 11:15:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Olog-hai
Someone better tell Putin, So Korea and Ottawa, quick! Lots of gambling on opening the trade routes.
7 posted on 12/10/2012 11:21:34 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

“A record loss of Arctic sea ice and faster-than-expected melting of Greenland’s ice cap”

Both recently proved to be wrong - Arctic has almost recovered it’s “lost” sea ice. Greenland’s ice cap is melting slower than was predicted.

Mel


8 posted on 12/10/2012 11:22:28 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

9 posted on 12/10/2012 11:23:29 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

Putin wants the oil. The international agreements on not staking claims for such exploration don’t matter to him, so they ought not matter to us either.


10 posted on 12/10/2012 11:23:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: TigersEye
Sounds like a *hold my beer, watch this* moment to look foward to, :)


11 posted on 12/10/2012 11:25:35 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

LOL


12 posted on 12/10/2012 11:31:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Olog-hai
If Russia and Canada go to war over the rights ...it'll be Vodka v maple syrup. ;(


13 posted on 12/10/2012 11:32:11 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

Well, it won’t be Russia and Canada. The only other entity with enough ambition to match Russia’s, believe it or not, is the European Union. (That is, once they unite around a strong leader, and I wonder if people are praying that such a thing does not happen.)


14 posted on 12/10/2012 11:33:57 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: TigersEye
You laughing? Humph! Schemes like this make me ashamed to be a human. Really. :)


15 posted on 12/10/2012 11:38:12 PM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

I ain’t goin into dis link cuz I don’t tink they’d have it dere but I am curious how dis guy expects to heat up Greenland so we kin sink neuyork


16 posted on 12/10/2012 11:42:16 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: Daffynition

Best Movie Submarine EVER.


17 posted on 12/10/2012 11:45:36 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: Daffynition

Now I’m really laughing! Hilarious.


18 posted on 12/10/2012 11:50:46 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Daffynition
Freeze the planet to kill off 2-3 billion people in order to create the perfect utopia.
Remember that these people believe that the planet is overpopulated. The real agenda
is that with so many people it's impossible to control mass populations.

Someone should send them a few history books.

19 posted on 12/10/2012 11:52:35 PM PST by MaxMax
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To: Daffynition
Ummmm. *raises hand*

Aren't we supposed to have rising oceans and drowning cities and people dying with all this extra water going into the oceans at this point?

Just askin'.

20 posted on 12/10/2012 11:53:18 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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To: Daffynition
That ice chest is way too close to the edge! A little glow-bull warming, and those boys could lose some valuable provisions.
21 posted on 12/11/2012 12:09:55 AM PST by tdscpa
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To: Jack Hydrazine

We’d have to turn off the underwater volcanoes that are erupting in the Arctic first!

I suggest we keep stuffing libs and enviro wacko’s in volcanoes until they stop. If we run out- we can always try different approach. :)


22 posted on 12/11/2012 12:10:33 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: All

On a more serious note, this idea is very dangerous and all ideas like it, tinkering with the climate of the earth in our rather limited state of actual understanding, and having no real idea what natural trends might be in play, would be inviting an irreversible disaster of some unknown type (most likely where we inadvertently create the startup conditions for a glaciation, and that would prove much more difficult to reverse). I think we should go with what nature provides and adapt as the climate changes, for whatever reasons it is changing. We are not stuck with rising sea levels in that outcome either, it might be easier to develop technology to desalinate ocean water and use it in many ways to improve economic and social conditions in the third world, if we want to get into mass engineering schemes.


23 posted on 12/11/2012 12:18:15 AM PST by Peter ODonnell (It wasn't this cold before global warming)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
HARR!


24 posted on 12/11/2012 12:48:44 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

I can think of an easier way. Why not dust the upper atmosphere with aluminum dust? The aluminum would come from recycled aluminum cans. The effect would reflect sunlight causing the earth to cool.

The effects of aluminum dust on the Earth’s living things might be beneficial. You never know. Perhaps humans would get smarter with a little aluminum in their bodies. They might even get smart enough to figure out a better answer to Global Warming. We could always use smarter government leaders to find ways to cool off those hot hot summers.

. . . I couldn’t resist the opportunity to end my evening with a little sarcasm.


25 posted on 12/11/2012 3:17:00 AM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Daffynition

26 posted on 12/11/2012 3:29:05 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Daffynition

I had a dream the other night that the global warming and cooling cycles are a function of the alignment of the earth’s magnetic core axis and the geographic axis of the earth’s crust. The dynamo effect creating the electromagnetic field and the related magnetosphere strength is greater when the axis are are greater opposition.

Right now, the magnetic north axis has accelerated its rate of travel across Canada toward Siberia. In this journey it is crossing near the geographic north pole creating a planetary axis alignment that decreases output and results in a decrease in our earth’s gravitational field and magnetosphere.

At the same time, the decrease in friction and resulting output of the dynamo created as the two axis align allows the earth to be vulnerable to solar energy ejections as the magnetosphere weakens. This creates an increase in fluctuation of climate on earth and is the reason the magnetic north pole or core axis wobbles on a daily basis, correlating to solar activity.

It was a long dream and what I shared barely scratches the surface of what I learned. I do not have a background in geophysics and found the whole vision fascinating.


27 posted on 12/11/2012 3:44:59 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: tired&retired

What is creating all the concern is that the earth’s axis alignment is coinciding with solar max.


28 posted on 12/11/2012 3:48:33 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Daffynition.
A record loss of Arctic sea ice and faster-than-expected melting of Greenland's ice cap made worldwide headlines in 2012...
...even though it was entirely bogus.


29 posted on 12/11/2012 3:49:37 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Daffynition

It would be ironic that on or around the mayan date Earth has a magnetic pole shift and thus the weather patterns change, or a series of massive earthquakes that changes the axis or tilt.

Places like Alaska will suddenly see tropical weather. Maybe even tropical hurricanes.

Australia changes dramatically and the interior gets wave after wave of rainfall transforming it into a vast lush fertile land.


30 posted on 12/11/2012 3:51:41 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: Daffynition

Another lie.

We can NOT!

Therefore, we shouldn’t spend the money pretending.


31 posted on 12/11/2012 5:08:38 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Daffynition
"any significant nation in the world could do it"

I guess that rules out THIS Obamanation.

32 posted on 12/11/2012 5:28:36 AM PST by norwaypinesavage (Galileo: In science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of one individual)
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To: jonrick46; JoeProBono
Someone has already started saving aluminum cans for your alumi-ganza idea


33 posted on 12/11/2012 5:33:13 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Eye of Unk; Yo-Yo

34 posted on 12/11/2012 5:38:26 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Eye of Unk

35 posted on 12/11/2012 5:39:37 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: tired&retired

With dreams like that one you should give up sleeping.


36 posted on 12/11/2012 5:41:09 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: melsec
That's the real head scratcher about the "faster than expected" statements I'm seeing all over the place. The most recent article on Greenland melting was a review of the Grace data that indicated it was melting far slower than had previously been estimated. Off to look or the article...
37 posted on 12/11/2012 5:46:35 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Hold your face to the light, even though for the moment you do not see.)
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To: Daffynition

I vote yes. I would love to have 30 inches of snow in Houston for Christmas every year. And burying Chicago under a mile of ice would be .....just?


38 posted on 12/11/2012 5:59:07 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Daffynition

39 posted on 12/11/2012 6:10:00 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Daffynition

If the plan included triggering a nuclear winter by flattening Mecca, I could get on board with that.


40 posted on 12/11/2012 6:13:49 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Daffynition

“Scientists have long theorized that injecting reflective particles of some kind into the high atmosphere could reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface and compensate for the greenhouse effect. High CO2 levels would continue to trap heat, but with less energy coming in to begin with, temperatures on the surface would go down.

Keith’s paper used climate models to cautiously suggest that the method could be adapted to engineer regional effects. The right amount of aerosols in the right place at the right time could restore the Arctic’s frozen glory.”

QUACKERY!!!

Scientists have long “THEORIZED” that injecting reflective particles “OF SOME KIND”......

I think they have been injecting themselves with a substance of some kind.


41 posted on 12/11/2012 6:16:54 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Eye of Unk

The shift is not a flip as one would do with a pancake.

The dipolar field loses its strength and small polarity fields develop all over the earth. These small polarity fields slowly reorganize to a strong dipolar field with a reverse polarity. The sun does this every cycle and it is what creates all the sunspots and CME’s during solar max.


42 posted on 12/11/2012 6:30:17 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Louis Foxwell

“With dreams like that one you should give up sleeping.”

This is why I do not watch TV, especially news prior to going to bed.

True, many mornings I wake up and feel as though I did not sleep. Thank God for naps!


43 posted on 12/11/2012 6:32:50 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: Daffynition

““In terms of pure technical capacity, any significant nation in the world could do it,”

NO THEY CAN’T. These people don’t realize how HUGE the earth is. It’s a matter of scale. The earth is TOO BIG for us to have any “significant” global impact on climate or anything else.

A grain of sand on the beach or more appropriate, in the desert.
A drop of water (or 4 to 5 million barrels of BP crude) in the ocean.

We, PUNY humans can’t affect the entire planet. It is beyond arrogant to think that we can. (Never mind that we shouldn’t even try).


44 posted on 12/11/2012 6:35:12 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Daffynition
By all means we should keep the Arctic cold. Or the Blob might thaw out!
45 posted on 12/11/2012 6:43:01 AM PST by 4yearlurker (No matter who you elect,the government eventually gets in.)
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To: buffaloguy
Be careful of what you wish for. :)


46 posted on 12/11/2012 6:44:19 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: faucetman

47 posted on 12/11/2012 6:53:26 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Daffynition

Lefties believe in evolution, but they also believe that evolution should stop now that they are here and if anything changes, it’s bad.


48 posted on 12/11/2012 6:59:22 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Daffynition

These people are effing nuts!


49 posted on 12/11/2012 7:01:16 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"Lefties believe in evolution, but they also believe that evolution should stop now that they are here and if anything changes, it’s bad."

Saving this one very good

50 posted on 12/11/2012 8:31:50 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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