Skip to comments.Researcher points to Sun as likely source of eighth-century 'Charlemagne event'
Posted on 12/12/2012 5:34:52 AM PST by Renfield
(Phys.org)Until recently, the years 774 and 775 were best known for Charlemagne's victory over the Lombards. But earlier this year, a team of scientists in Japan discovered a baffling spike in carbon-14 deposits within the rings of cedar trees that matched those same years. Because cosmic rays are tied to carbon-14 concentrations, scientists around the world have wondered about the cause: a nearby supernova, a gamma ray burst in the Milky Way or an intense superflare emanating from the Sun?
Now, Adrian Melott, professor of physics and astronomy at the University of Kansas and Brian Thomas, KU alumnus and professor of physics and astronomy at Washburn University, have examined the evidence and zeroed in on the likely source of the medieval cosmic ray bombardmenta coronal mass ejection from the Sun.
Melott said the scientists, who originally discovered the carbon-14 spike and published their findings in the journal Nature, miscalculated the implied intensity of such an event, and they mistakenly ruled out the Sun as the cause of the radiation detected for the years 774-775....
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Blinded by the light ?
Great find! Thanks.
When in doubt the answer is the Sun. Always.
But... before this happens again we need to pass a Cap Coronal Mass Ejection From The Sun Bill.
Is there a solar event ping list? Should be.
If this is true, doesn’t this screw up a lot of the carbon dating that has been performed?
No- they match tree ring counts to teh C14 in the ring, variations are calibrated out. They also look at Be7 and Be10, other indicators of solar activity.
Great posts 1-6. Agree with all of them. It’s like when evolutionists look for the creation event (Big Bang etc.), they first rule OUT God. It can’t be God....It can’t be the sun.... keep looking.
Like I always say, puny humans can not affect the global environment. It takes titanic (huge or colossal) events like major volcanic eruptions or major solar eruptions to impact the earth in a global manner.
God has such power, not man. Like the BP oil spill (the epic disaster that never was), man was checking cleanup workers life vests, while God was creating a multitude of bacteria to eat it all up.
Let God handle all things of magnitude. Man can do nothing about them anyway. God will handle it or not as is His will.
The arrogance of man is limitless.
There is a “Catastrophism” ping list, run by SunkenCiv, that is the natural home for articles about Coronal Mass Ejections.
Get it on, Kid Charlemagne.
Thanks. Sounds like the science is solid.
My favorite dan album. Thanks for the memories!
I think these scientists are nuts. Clearly the increase in Carbon 14 was due to mankind. All those wood fires and blacksmithing and unsanitary conditions lead to the Earth revolting. And what is the common thread? I betcha ole King Charlamagne did squat to establish a place in his court for an environmental duke. Every time government fails to regulate, we get catastrophe, like what happened to those poor dinosaurs /s*
*I say “/s” but the sad part is that this is probably what our children are being taught in school.
Cut loose like a deuce another runner in the night.
No worries, Mate. You'll be able to buy CME credits on the CME exchange from those who don't use all of theirs. Al Gore will collect the brokerage fee.
I have NEVER been able to discern those words ... if that’s your REAL name ...
Those are the actual lyrics from Blinded By The Light. And...no...Bloody Sam Roberts is not my real name....if that's what you meant.
After I hit 'post' I thought .. "That is REALLY a stupid thing to say ... it doesn't fit"
Chalk it up to an idiot phrase that made no sense to me nor you.
before this happens again we need to pass a Cap Coronal Mass Ejection From The Sun Bill.
Yeah, and that bill needs to include additional taxes on the rich to pay for its implementation, as well as a special office to oversee development of software to predict these terrible events caused by the Republican party.
I have been known to type in a Joe Bonamassa lyric or two onto a command line interface.
Ancestor of Bush’s fault
There’s also Ernest’s list about CME, hmm, okay, maybe that’s not exactly what that list is about, but it definitely includes CMEs.
|GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach|
"But in order to produce effects like the ones seen in the tree rings, such a supernova would have had to have been within 100 light years or so. Such an event would have been blindingly bright in the sky, much brighter than a full moon. It would have been bright like that for months and could not have failed to be noted by every civilization on Earth. Being so close, there would be remnants of the explosion visible today, still expanding. Something so close could not have been missed."Velikovsky, amongst others, from accounts of austensibly drunk shaman and wild eyed witch doctors long before his and our time noted MANY such phenomena in the heavens. Along with a good deal of contemporaneous nastiness on earth. Were they all a bunch of Neanderthal twits??? The arrogance of today's scientific community is their belief that earlier humans couldn't tell the difference between the sun and a large campfire.
I may be missing something here but from what I've been able to gather from the little reading I've done re gamma ray bursts is that the part we SEE that could affect us can last from fractions of a second to several minutes; then they're gone. Like they were never even there??? The author(s) may be assuming that every supernova explosion leaves a lasting impression. Maybe they do; maybe they don't...
That being said, our sun very likely produces some spectacular, even devastating fireworks from time to time.
Yes, and we’re about due for another “Carrington event”...and our idiots in the Senate voted down the bill that would have mandated hardening of the electrical grid.
By the way, have you watched David Talbot’s “Symbols of an Alien Sky” videos? Check him out on YouTube if you haven’t already.
Can’t recall if I’ve seen that particular segment of his but I’ll check it out. The electric universe is alive and well, eh???
They believe life sprang from non living matter.
The fact that this has never happened doesn't seem to register. The fact that it continues to not happen has no effect on their faith.
Ummm, I am FlipWilson and I did not post the above comment. Don’t get me wrong, it was witting but I did not post it.