Skip to comments.Jenni Rivera plane nose-dived at 600 mph, Mexican official says
Posted on 12/12/2012 8:58:28 AM PST by BenLurkin
The small plane carrying Mexican-American music superstar Jenni Rivera plunged in a nose-dive from more than 28,000 feet and hit the ground at more than 600 mph, Mexico's top transportation official said.
Gerardo Ruiz Esparza, Mexico's secretary of communications and transportation, offered a Mexican radio station the first detailed accounts of the moments leading up to the crash that killed Rivera and six other people aboard the Learjet on Sunday.
The plane practically nose-dived," Ruiz told Radio Formulate. "The impact must have been terrible."
Ruiz said the 43-year-old aircraft hit the ground 1.2 miles from where it began falling and that it plummeted at a nearly 45-degree angle. The plane left Monterrey around 3:30 a.m. Sunday after a concert performance. According to authorities, controllers lost contact with the U.S.-registered plane about 10 minutes after takeoff.
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I am certainly not knowledgeable, but suspect that something went wrong during the fueling process before it took off.
Quick way to go broke? Underwriting Accidental Death Policies to entertainers.
While 90 year old co-pilot was in the loo.
At least she didn’t suffer, more than a few miliseconds.
Lord have mercy.
I heard this news on the radio and just gasped. (I seldom gasp)
If a plane at 28,000 feet begins a nose dive at 600 mph, isn’t there still at least 2 minutes of sheer terror and panic before the plane hits the ground?
Prayers for all....
Yah, mercifully a quick end, but I cannot even conceive how utterly terrifying that steep plunge would be. Shudder.
Or would you be pulling so many g’s that you’d black out long before hitting the ground?
Plane was doing 880fps when it hit. Don’t know off hand how long a Lear jet is so yes, a few milliseconds ... reminds of that jet carrying that pro-golfer that went in up in the Dakotas some place. Went straight in from around 45,000 feet.
What is it about being a Mexican female pop star that seems to lure death to their doorsteps?
I REALLY hope my last two minutes aren’t as grim as hers likely were.
So long as you can pass an FAA medical exam you can fly. There’s no mention of the 1st. officer. Hopefully there’s a CVR and a flight recorder that can tell us.
If my math is correct, that’s about a 32 second nose dive. Presumably a person would loose consciousness at that rate, but still briefly terrifying.
The jet was built in 1969 and records show it sustained substantial damage in an accident in 2005 when it experienced a fuel system malfunction.
However, just saw this that refers to the 2005 incident as "pilot error"?
The 43-year-old Learjet sustained substantial damage in a runway incident in 2005 when the airplane struck a runway marker and veered off the landing strip. NTSB investigators attributed that incident to pilot error.
No "Gs" ... the aircraft would be in free-fall. Unless the engines were running, then there's the possibility of powered descent, and possibly negative G. In any case, the pax and crew would be well aware of what's going on, and the last thing to pass through their minds would be the windscreen or forward bulkhead.
Sounds about right. That was one heck of a smash hit.
What was the weather like?
This might indicate a pilot health issue. But from 28000 feet, how could a co-pilot or someone else not respond and right the aircraft?
Unless the pilot was healthy and locked everyone out of the cockpit intentionally. Just speculating.
Hope they had their seat belts on.
If we are thinking of the same crash, didn't they think everyone was dead on board before it crashed?
Just curious, and know nothing about aviation. But if the plane left the airport 10 minutes earlier and was just 60 miles from where it departed, how could it have been at 28,000 feet, traveling at 600 mph so soon? Do the small jets climb faster than commercial jets?
At 600mph, does the cockpit need to even be locked to keep anyone out? I doubt anyone is able to fight gravity and make it to the cockpit.
Yes, the plane lost pressure.
I remember that. A fighter from Eglin AFB was already in the air and they directed it to check on the plane.
He flew beside it for a while and reported everyone seemed to be dead on it. I think it then flew for a long time before going in.
Fuel was my first thought, too.. But age might be factor. Does anyone know what would happen if most of the 6 on board suddenly moved to one end of the plane or the other? There’s no ‘gliding’ in a Lear Jet. They fall like a rock when they lose power, just like that F/A-18 over San Diego that landed on a house. I’d rather be in a Cessna or other old school ‘floater’.
At that altitude, wouldn’t the Lear be cruising/autopilot?
& then to descend at that speed into nosedive? If engines were running, then what else might possibly be the cause?
Pure terror those last few minutes/seconds...
Wow, just checked and the rate of climb for the Learjet 25 is 6050 ft/min! Could have easily been at 28000 feet in 10 minutes.
Yes - plane ran out of fuel & crashed.
That is a myth, every aircraft that has not been structurally compromised, has a glide coefficient and minimum air speed to give a minimum decent rate. Now granted some have a better glide ratio than others BUT ALL AIRCRAFT CAN GLIDE. Now if a wing was ripped off than no gliding, just falling....
Easy to say now, I know, but I think I’d opt for a couple nightmarish minutes over two-to-twenty in the nursing home.
Anyway God bless the victims and families.
No way that was 13 years ago. Time has gone completely alinear for me.
That is not correct, looked it up.
The best glide distance with engines windmilling is obtained with a clean airplane configuration and with a glide speed of 160 to 170 knots. At this speed, the Learjet 25 glides approximately 26 nautical miles for each 10000 feet of altitude loss. This is a glide ration of 16 to 1 and is based on a wings level glide with gear and flap up and a gross weight of 11000 to 12000 pounds.
It was the Payne Stewart incident. Cabin lost pressure, knocking everyone unconscious. I believe the idea is everyone would have asphyxiated before the plane crashed.
Was the pilot’s name Angel or Achmed? RIP Jenni Rivera—she was a cutie in life.
28,000 feet/ (600mph X 5280ft /3600 sec) =1/(1/31.82) = 31.82 seconds
I calculate about 32 seconds, assuming the rate of descent was constant, but that's still plenty of time if one is conscious. Plus, if it was dark and you could see the ground, the anticipation would be unbearable. The physical pain would be insignificant, but the psychological pain must've been horrible.
I would never ride in a Lear. There is a reason pilots I know call them "land darts".
That's the speed that it's estimated Payne Stewart's plane hit at, and it was out of fuel.
Per post 34 the Learjet will glide 26NM for every 10000 feet of altitude. The typical Cessna 172 has a glide ratio of 1.5 NM for every 1000 ft of altitude, only 15 miles for 10000 feet. For the Cessna the best glide speed would be 67-68.
Fair point and I agree.
No fair. Payne was sleeping.
Is it cheaper to charter a private plane than to fly commercial? I can never figure out why anyone takes these risks, given that the pilot has to fly random routes and the mechanics on the ground are of unknown/dubious quality.
RE: post 37/38
You’re not the only one!! Working on a family event today & trying to plan activities for the ‘younger’ kids (under 10). One of my cousins has 3 kids and I was thinking they were maybe 6, 7 .... turns out they’re more like young teenagers. Yikes! Where did the time go? I’ve lost some years somewhere.
Yeah, the long sleep.
As I say, easy to say now, right?
Stick me on that plane & I’d probably be begging for 20 in San Quentin!
Thank you for looking that up!
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