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Speculation Abounds: Did North Korea Launch a New EMP Capable Star Wars Weapon System?
SHTF Plan ^ | 12/13/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 12/14/2012 4:08:57 AM PST by Kartographer

In May of 2009 North Korea’s controversial nuclear weapons tests were dismissed by global intelligence agencies as failures due to their low explosive yield. But EMPact America President Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a former CIA nuclear weapons analyst, had his own assessment. It appears, according to Pry, that while the yield from the nuclear tests was weak with respect to destructive power in terms of the nuclear blast itself, the tests indicated the weapon was “capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states.”

It’s been referred to as a “Super-EMP,” or electro-magnetic pulse weapon, something that foreign powers and rogue states have been working on developing for years as a low-cost, low-inventory counter strategy to America’s massive nuclear weapons stockpiles.

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TOPICS: Science; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: emp; northkorea; northkoreaemp; northkoreamissile
'Lights Out'
1 posted on 12/14/2012 4:09:10 AM PST by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

I’d suggest nuking North Korea into the Stone Age, but thanks to its “progressive” leaders, that would actually be a leap forward into the future.


2 posted on 12/14/2012 4:25:55 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Kartographer
They're going to hit us with gamma radiation?

North Korea shouldn't make us angry. They wouldn't like us when we're angry.


3 posted on 12/14/2012 4:32:07 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Kartographer

Sounds like the “Homefront” video game! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAF1Tg-FGyI&feature=share&list=UU3ffcNRLDTupngXW3hNJyew


4 posted on 12/14/2012 4:37:23 AM PST by Drago
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To: Kartographer

The costs to harden the electrical grid are a fraction of the (apparently now permanent and yearly) stimulus money.

Our Rresident has it under control. /s


5 posted on 12/14/2012 4:42:03 AM PST by ReaganGeneration2
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To: fattigermaster

Barry?
ANGRY?
Yagottabekidding.
The Norks are bart of his Islamobuddies group, ya see.

ANYTHING to bring down the eeeeeeeeeeeevillllllll U, S, of A.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 4:43:16 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
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To: Kartographer

With the gang of anti-American charlatans currently running our country, many things these days worries me to no end, including this possibility. Our enemies know that they will not get a better opportunity to attack us, than right now with the dufuses in charge. God protect us, because we all know Obama can’t, or won’t.


7 posted on 12/14/2012 4:47:55 AM PST by ZX12R (Merry Christmas fellow Freepers!)
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To: Kartographer
Well my watch stopped working quite abruptly at 9:50 AM yesterday.
8 posted on 12/14/2012 4:52:20 AM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: Kartographer

Shoot it down.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 4:53:42 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Kartographer

Nothing to fear here, folks. Move along. John (He was in Viet Nam, you know.) Kerry will ride to our rescue. /S


10 posted on 12/14/2012 4:54:24 AM PST by Makana
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To: Kartographer

Dr. Graham, chair of the 2008 EMP Commission Report To Congress estimates such a nuke 250 miles over Omaha would cause the death of 90% of the US population in only a few months due to severe limitations on the production and distribution of energy and food.

Yes we could then nuke them IF we knew who did it. Iran has put up 3 such satellites at 250 miles high.

Folks, it is only a matter of time now, it is not a question of if. Better buy an extra can of stew today.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 5:26:35 AM PST by Any Fate But Submission
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To: Any Fate But Submission

The placement would have to be just right and the explosion done at night as the the sun’s rays on the day side thin out the van allen belts displacing the thickest parts to the night side. The curvature of the Earth also would effect which parts get the strongest effects(the center areas) while the edges would get the weakest. Local anomalies would also cause hit or miss effects. One small yield nuke just won’t do it and the placement would have to be just about perfect and timed with the maximum amount of magnetospheric “support” to get any kind of damage at all. A timed equidistant explosion of 3 or 4 devices simultaneously at just the right places in orbit might cause the feared predicted massive damage but a single device won’t, especially since placement is a variable in terms of predictable results!


12 posted on 12/14/2012 6:37:37 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: mdmathis6

Considering the devastating results if it worked, it must be nice to be sure. Are you sure enough for me to bet my children’s and grandchildren’s lives?


13 posted on 12/14/2012 9:03:40 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: mdmathis6; Any Fate But Submission

With no malice may I reminded you that in April 1942 the best minds in Japan considered that a attack on mainland Japan by American forces was impossible. On April 18, 1942 Lieutenant Colonel James “Jimmy” Doolittle proved them wrong.


14 posted on 12/14/2012 9:14:25 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Honestly, this has to be one of the dumbest articles I’ve read in my lifetime.


15 posted on 12/14/2012 9:46:20 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Kartographer; All

I didn’t say there wouldn’t be damage. I just don’t think a single EMP attack could take out the whole of the continent’s electronic infrastructure. The biggest danger we face is our selves and our crumbling national morality with anti Americans in the nooks and crannies of our state and national governing systems all set to take us down! I would have far more fear for your children because our national demoralization.

A people who are strong and united with a good strong sense of who and what they are could survive an EMP! A demoralized disunited nation cannot survive! A nation’s greatest and weakest strengths will always lay with her people!


16 posted on 12/14/2012 10:01:29 AM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: Pox

You are welcome, glad I could give you a chance to rant, most likely saved some poor soul from a real flaming.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 6:56:44 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: mdmathis6

Say it took out 1/4th of the grid in the heartland of American, what kind of chaos would ensue?? And if that’s all it did if you were the North Koreans wouldn’t you be more than satisfied?


18 posted on 12/15/2012 7:03:26 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Pox

By the way would you mine share your fact based criticism of why the article is so dumb. It would be welcome if you have some expertise and knowledge of the subject matter that could refute that provided in the article, so we could judge the danger on based on facts from both sides.

For example in what way was Dr. Peter Vincent Pry statement that: “It appeared that the nuclear tests was weak with respect to destructive power in terms of the nuclear blast itself, the tests indicated the weapon was “capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states.”?


19 posted on 12/15/2012 7:12:24 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Pure speculation with no facts to back up anything outside of his rantings.

I'm not saying that the Norks are harmless, but this type of “fear-mongering” gives them way too much credit as far as capabilities go. And I say that from the perspective of general knowledge.

If you agree with this ludicrous statement, please feel free to post any and all technical papers that would tend to back up what I am calling nonsensical and overblown ‘chicken little’ proclamations and I will be happy to share any technical data that I believe will refute such.

Really, do you suspect the Norks have no knowledge of our military's EMP defensive capabilities? Seeing as how they would be quite aware of the extensive “hardening” our mission critical electronics have, they would not be crazy enough, even for Norks, to attempt to lob a nuke or two our way in an attempt to knock out our electrical grid knowing what would be coming their way after such an attempt? Even threatening such an operation would be laughable with their current technology, but it's a given that eventually they will improve their yields to field a nominal threat to our power grid, assuming their schizo rockets could put them at the desired coordinates reliably in the next 10 years.

I say Dr. Peter Vincent Pry is full of shiite, at least at this point in time, concerning their overall capabilities and the reliability of their technology and I do not for a second believe that his statements are the end-all expertise in what is exactly required to “disable” our electrical grid in CONUS.

20 posted on 12/15/2012 7:34:40 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

You are the one claiming the article is bogus. I ask for your proof and you come back with only angry rhetoric. The burden of proof is on you.

I proved the article with his statement I would say that in any logic and civil argument that it is up to you to If you agree with this ludicrous statement, please feel free to post any and all technical papers and intelligence reports that would tend to back up your claim that his statement is nonsensical and overblown. As far as you being happy to share any technical data that I believe will refute such. Why would you not have are ready supplied such to establish your claim? Or is it your habit to call someone a liar without proof?


21 posted on 12/16/2012 5:28:49 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

It’s m y habit to call bullshit when a claim is made with no facts to back it up, and the garbage you posted fits that profile.


22 posted on 12/16/2012 7:17:30 AM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

That’s the problem, people call people lairs with no more than their word and expect people to except their version as being right even when they provide nothing more than their opinion and then get angry because people ask for them to back up their opinion with facts.

When did it become acceptable for someone to call another a lair with no proof or facts to back their accusations? Not only do you seem to find this behavior acceptable you are almost seem proud of it.


23 posted on 12/16/2012 5:13:17 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
The only person that seems to be getting angry is you, so you can put a hold on the drama queen act.

You seem to accept this guys assertions as fact without providing any proof, other than his speculation, to back it up.

Prove that the Norks have the capability to do perform what was asserted and I'll have little problem believing it, but throw out such claims without actual facts to back it up and I call BS from the standpoint of observed actions.

Not too difficult to comprehend, and certainly not an unreasonable request.

24 posted on 12/16/2012 6:04:23 PM PST by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Pox

Then by your own admission I would be right in calling someone who claims without proof to know more about the situation than a CIA nuclear weapons analyst to be full of BS and a liar.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 9:53:13 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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