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Titanic Discoverer Finds Evidence of Biblical Flood
Christian Post ^ | 12/14/2012 | Jeff Schapiro

Posted on 12/14/2012 9:10:06 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Ocean explorer Robert Ballard, who is responsible for the discovery of the Titanic shipwreck, says he may have discovered evidence of the Great Flood described in the Book of Genesis.

Ballard is now on a mission to find evidence that the "mother of all floods" actually occurred, he told Christiane Amanpour of ABC News.

"We went in there to look for the flood," he told ABC News. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

The explorer's mission was prompted by research conducted by Columbia University marine geologists William B.F. Ryan and Walter C. Pitman III. These men theorized that climate change during a glacial period caused the icecaps to melt, an article from The Earth Institute at Columbia University states, which led to widespread flooding.

Ryan and Pitman suggest the Bosporus strait, which served as a natural dam between the Mediterranean and Black seas, broke open at that time and caused salt water to flood the Black Sea with a force 200 times stronger than that of Niagara Falls. With the waters rising at the rate of about six inches per day, the flooding could have covered 60,000 square miles in less than a year, they theorize, causing humans to migrate away from the area and at the same time inspiring the stories of Gilgamesh and Noah's ark. Ryan and Pitman's theory can be found in their 1999 book, Noah's Flood: The New Scientific Discoveries About The Event That Changed History.

After deciding to explore this theory themselves, Ballard's team found an ancient shoreline 400 feet below the surface, which suggests a flood catastrophe did occur there. After carbon dating shells from the shoreline, Ballard estimated the event occurred about 5,000 BC – around the time some believe the flood described in Genesis occurred.

Although natural evidence has given him confidence in his research, Ballard is also looking for more evidence of the civilizations that were affected by the disaster. "We started finding structures that looked like they were man-made structures," Ballard said. "That's where we are focusing our attention right now."

His team has found ancient pottery in the area, as well as a shipwreck and partial human remains which he says are from around 500 BC. Although the shipwreck is too recent to have been caused by the flood, it gives him hope he will find something older, he says.

The Bible says God caused the Great Flood because the human race had become corrupt. He forewarned a righteous man, Noah, about the disaster and commissioned him to build an ark, which he would use to rescue his family members as well as a male and female pair of each living creature so they could repopulate the earth once the waters had receded.

The flood occurred after the "fountains of the great deep burst forth" and "the windows of the heavens were opened," and it rained for forty days and nights, the Genesis account states. Eventually, as it subsided, the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat.

Ballard says he doesn't expect to find Noah's famous vessel during his exploration, though he hopes to find remnants of the people and places that existed at the time of the event.

"It's foolish to think you will ever find a ship," he said. "But can you find people who were living? Can you find their villages that are underwater now? And the answer is yes."

Georgia Perdum, research scientist and speaker for Answers In Genesis, says despite Ryan and Pitman's treatment of Noah's story as a myth, she and other Christians could interpret the newly found evidence differently.

"I think any research where they're going to be looking for evidence of a catastrophic flood is always something that we're interested in," Perdum told The Christian Post on Tuesday. "Obviously we have different ideas about what that means: We would say, from a biblical standpoint, that would be potentially evidence of the Noachian flood."

Ballard and his team plan to return to Turkey in the summer of 2013.


TOPICS: History; Religion; Science; Weather
KEYWORDS: biblicalflood; blacksea; blackseaflood; flood; grandcanyon; greatflood; noah; noahsflood; titanic

1 posted on 12/14/2012 9:10:15 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember reading about this years ago.

Why is Big Media talking about it now?

To stir up interest in the Turkey region, to bolster support for the messiah’s sending over support to more anti-American muslim factions?


2 posted on 12/14/2012 9:14:48 AM PST by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obviously there must have been a monstrous flood in the region because at one point the Black Sea was a freshwater lake.


3 posted on 12/14/2012 9:19:26 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Whew! At least we now know how the whales wound up in the desert.


4 posted on 12/14/2012 9:34:13 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

And the Sahara desert was grassland and lakes 12000 years ago. There’s plenty of evidence pointing to a much wetter mideast in the past as well.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 9:36:12 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I think what is important to consider is that the reason there are multiple stories of a ‘flood’, and varying evidence, is that there have been many large scale floods throughout the history of Earth.

The crust of the Earth is constantly moving up and down. As it does, water then seeks the lowest level. Ergo, water level changes happen daily. Large scale ones happen when things like Earthquakes occur. Those happen in the hundreds per day. There have been many ‘floods’, and many stories. Like the Epic of Gilgamesh.

The story in the Bible on Noah is a parable, but is based on an actual incident, or multiple incidents.

The importance of the story in the Bible is that nobody but Noah would listen to God even when warned of the impending catastrophe.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 9:52:41 AM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: UCANSEE2

The story in the Bible on Noah is a parable, but is based on an actual incident, or multiple incidents.

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I do not see anything in Scripture that would indicate it is a parable, it is a recording of history if you read Genesis, it records history.


7 posted on 12/14/2012 10:11:54 AM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: SunkenCiv

ping


8 posted on 12/14/2012 10:13:05 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Everything said in that story has already been on some TV show, i think Nat Geo channel. Yes a few years ago.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 10:14:55 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: SeekAndFind
It stands to reason that the documented Ice Age did occur. So where did all that melted ice go when the planet warmed up. Did it happen gradually. I'd venture to say yes, however during the melting period places like the Mediterreanwere definitely under sea level. Then the blocking of the oceans were breached and the flooding began. There's scientific proof of than in Western America in areas of the Grand Canyon.
If you are interested in things like this, read Emanuel Velikovsky's ‘Ages in Chaos’.
10 posted on 12/14/2012 10:18:02 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: treetopsandroofs
Why is Big Media talking about it now?

Interesting timing on the part of the media. Jesus said that there will be a connection between what happened in the days of Noah, and the time of His return.
11 posted on 12/14/2012 10:18:24 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Doc91678

As an addition Immanuel Velikovsky also wrote ‘Worlds in Collision’. These two books may give you insight to these recent discoveries.


12 posted on 12/14/2012 10:24:02 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: treetopsandroofs

There have been a few big floods that have been discovered over the years. This is nothing new.


13 posted on 12/14/2012 10:48:05 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

One day, maybe, we will be able to prove it all happened exactly as stated in Genesis.

Yet, I suspect, we will continue to ignore the lesson.


14 posted on 12/14/2012 10:48:46 AM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

No less than Jesus himself authenticated what happened, and the flood itself is not the important event here, it was for (and because of) what occurred in Genesis Chapter 6,

When the end of the age comes upon us, in our future, it begins out of a blue sky day, just like in the days of Lot and Noah and will be of fire and not water:

“But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.” Matthew 24:36-39

“For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly; . .”
2 Peter 2:4-6


15 posted on 12/14/2012 11:15:42 AM PST by captmar-vell
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To: SeekAndFind
"We went in there to look for the flood," he told ABC News. "Not just a slow moving, advancing rise of sea level, but a really big flood that then stayed... The land that went under stayed under."

Well that does not batch the Bible's description of the flood.

16 posted on 12/14/2012 11:32:04 AM PST by DManA
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To: SeekAndFind

The bible is one of the greatest history books ever compiled by man.
There has been so many archaeological finds verifying so many of the writings. In my opinion, there is way more truth than there is fiction.


17 posted on 12/14/2012 12:31:51 PM PST by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: captmar-vell

You are preaching to the choir here, my response was to someone that didn’t believe the veracity of the flood.


18 posted on 12/14/2012 12:35:53 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: SeekAndFind

“may have...”


19 posted on 12/14/2012 12:45:10 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Me too.


20 posted on 12/14/2012 1:21:37 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine

yes, I know

I was just joining in on the song :-)


21 posted on 12/14/2012 3:18:56 PM PST by captmar-vell
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To: treetopsandroofs

> Why is Big Media talking about it now?

Because it isn’t — the source for this is Christian Post. And Ballard was very diplomatic in his handling of this, but said, he wasn’t confirming or denying, and that there was no way to confirm or deny a Noachian Flood.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 10:11:04 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Doc91678

“Ages in Chaos” is imho the best introduction into Immanuel Velikovsky’s works, but in this context, the better choice would not be AiC or WiC, but “Earth in Upheaval”.

Dr V, on The Flood:

http://www.varchive.org/itb/rabdel.htm


23 posted on 12/15/2012 11:12:38 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks...I forgot that title. In any case I’m glad that I’m not the only one that has read his thesis. BTW I did read all three at least 40 years ago.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 12:35:41 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: SunkenCiv

Velikovsky was correct in finding the link between the European/African land mass and the North/South American continent.


25 posted on 12/18/2012 5:00:03 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Doc91678

What link was that?


26 posted on 12/18/2012 7:10:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
You offered the one treatise named Earth in Upheaval. Did you read it? I did. In that book, Velikofsky made the claim that the North and South American Continent was attached to Europe and the African continent. He also said that in later years the link of his hypothesis would confirmed. As I said before, I haven't read any of his thoughts and findings in at least 45 to 50 years.
27 posted on 12/19/2012 2:43:46 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Doc91678

The link of the continents is from Wegener, and yes, V cited it, but it isn’t original to him, and it’s unnecessary for the rest of his thesis. He pointed out that the fault lines actually are a sort of moebius, circling the world twice, and revealing that it has been in the grip of a large external force, rather than the nice, slow, quiet drifting of Wegener’s fantasy.

The “Plate Tectonics Revolution” of the 1960s revived continental drift, but under that new name, offering very little new. Wegener’s idea that the trivial resemblance of part of the west coast of Africa with part of the east coast of South America meant that they must at one time be joined.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 7:48:13 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I’m glad to see we have traveled in the same circles of literature. If you remember correctly V made the statement that positive proof of the link of continents up to his writing had not been proved. V claimed that the link would be found. As I understand it the link to the continents and their drift were found after V’s death.


29 posted on 12/20/2012 12:12:11 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Doc91678

Again, where did he write it? It’s been some years for me as well, at least as far as “Earth In Upheaval” is concerned.

The Great Rift and the Jordan
http://www.varchive.org/itb/rift.htm

The Ocean
http://www.varchive.org/ce/ocean.htm


30 posted on 12/21/2012 8:45:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

I think you’ll find your answer here: “Velikovsky’s 1955 book Earth In Upheaval strove to do for geology what Worlds in Collision had done for astronomy. Attempting to collect the ‘physical evidence’ for the planetary billiards described in the former, the book espoused an extreme form of geological catastrophism (i.e. that the majority of the Earth’s geological features had been formed within timescales of hours, days or weeks, rather than gradually over “millions of years”). Volcanism, pole shifts, mass extinctions, orogeny were all grist to the mill. Velikovsky did say that he was not questioning the conventional view of the age of the Earth, nor did he question evolution. Subsequent decades have seen catastrophist ideas gain some acceptance amongst the scientific community (such as a possible meteoric impact event at the Cretaceous-Tertary boundary causing extinction of the dinosaurs), and there may even be a little bit of similarity between Velilovsky’s claims about “catastrophic evolution” and recent theories of “punctuated equilibrium”. However the timescales and causes proposed by Velikovsky (near collisions with Venus and Mars in 1500 and 747 BC) continue to be regarded as ludicrous nonsense by the mainstream. Velikovsky spent a significant part of Earth in Upheaval pooh-poohing the then relatively new theory of continental drift, which he realised that if true could explain some of the geological phenomena he put down to catastrophes. As Stephen Jay Gould pointed out in his essay Velikovsky in Collision, Velikovsy’s objections were shared at the time by some orthodox geologists, i.e. that there was no mechanism to explain continental drift, but this problem has now been resolved.”


31 posted on 12/21/2012 9:48:43 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Doc91678

So, iow, Velikovsky didn’t support continental drift.


32 posted on 12/21/2012 10:22:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
And Ballard was very diplomatic in his handling of this, but said, he wasn’t confirming or denying, and that there was no way to confirm or deny a Noachian Flood.

Ballard has to be careful how he words things in order to maintain credibility in scientific circles. Without extremely strong evidence, it is tough there to advocate a position which might be viewed as controversial, at least by some scientists.

It should be the same standard for any claimed scientific discovery, and the data should be available for all to examine. (Which is partly why the Global Warming/Climate Change thingy has devolved into a cult instead of science.)

Ballard will do it right, present his findings, and for now at least let the reader draw their own conclusions.

33 posted on 12/21/2012 11:49:05 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Ballard's in fact telling it like it is. Short of finding a sign, "this way to Noah's house", down on the shelf in the Black Sea, there is literally nothing to be said about him by a scientist. Ryan and Pitman's book should be required reading in our school systems -- as Red Forman said, you'd think they'd take five minutes out of teaching macramé -- but they selected the title in such a way as to sell books. The NatGeo documentary should also be required AFAIC -- Ballard went to the Black Sea floor to look for evidence of a submerged shoreline, and while he was at it, looked for sunken vessels from antiquity (and found one). And it wasn't the Ark.
34 posted on 12/22/2012 7:18:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: righttackle44

No, the end time will be like the days of Noah. That means we will suffer the terror and evil of those days.


35 posted on 12/22/2012 7:26:05 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: SunkenCiv
Is that what I wrote, or what you are writing? As I said before it's been a long time since I read the Velikovsky treatises. But I do know that at the end of one of those writings, he did predict that in future years he would be vindicated regarding the drifting continents and the land mass that was once that of the Americas connected to Europe and Africa.
Can I make it any clearer?
36 posted on 12/22/2012 10:02:59 AM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: Doc91678
I tend to find attempts to write off the Biblical flood as a local or regional catastrophe to be a stretch given that the same record indicates an awareness of other lands, physical distance. They meant the entire world as it was then known to them.

I also find attempts to paint such a global catastrophe as being impossible to be a stretch. A large, icy comet would fit the bill quite nicely. We have record of such collisions in the form of craters now. Catastrophism isn't the heresy or the laughingstock that it once was as recently as a few decades ago.

Looking to the Biblical text and the record there, of antediluvian conditions on the planet, we see no surface bodies of water, plants thrived off of a sort of mist arising from the ground itself, no seasons per se, a very stable climate that was at least semitropical and very mild.

We see advanced human ages being recorded that sound bizarre to us, nine humpndred years or more. Such a collision might alter the meaning of time as pertains to a day or a year just as severely as it is recorded as having altered climate and geography.

The planet, absent this large quantity of water from an icy comet, would have been smaller. Faster rotation on it's axis, shorter years in absolute time, too, due to a faster orbit. “Continental drift” would be the remnants of the original planetary surface.

Sounds fantastical, yes, but then so much of the antediluvian world from the Biblical account does, especially if you delve into extra-Biblical accounts such as the Book Of Enoch.

Science does not have to automatically negate religion. That it invariably does indicates an unhealthy, unscientific bias to me.

37 posted on 12/22/2012 10:25:43 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: SeekAndFind

The Flood is explained in a series of slides found here: http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/COMET-IMPACT-ANALYSIS-AND-EFFECTS-21Dec12-WEBSITE1.pdf

It might help to read through the description of another event first: http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/SIMULTANEOUS-IMPACTS7.pdf

The purpose of the postings is to explain new models based on new data: geospatial information from Google Maps or Google Earth, interpreted using Visual Analytics, supports a “Simultaneous Impacts Theory” that explains how the geologic tectonic plates were created. Other geospatial data (submerged topographic features) leads to another finding that explains how a comet impact brought about a world-wide flood. The hypotheses affect the way we think about Earth and human history.


38 posted on 12/22/2012 10:37:22 AM PST by mj81
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To: RegulatorCountry

See post 38.


39 posted on 12/22/2012 10:40:15 AM PST by mj81
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To: Doc91678

See post 38.


40 posted on 12/22/2012 10:41:49 AM PST by mj81
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To: mj81

The difference would be that what you’ve posted speculates that current seabeds were submerged,2hereas what I posted speculates that the majority was not there at all.


41 posted on 12/22/2012 11:00:28 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Not at all. Read through both presentations carefully.


42 posted on 12/22/2012 11:10:35 AM PST by mj81
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To: Doc91678

Yes, I’m aware that you’re claiming that he wrote that, and what I have been saying here all along is, show me where he said it. You have not done so, and I’m through wasting time trying to get something you are incapable of providing. The quote you gave above was not from Velikovsky, that should be obvious.


43 posted on 12/22/2012 11:23:13 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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Cosmic Impact Site That Created Earth’s Axial Tilt and Fault Lines
Report and Opinion. 2010;2(2):1-2]. (ISSN: 1553-9873) | Feb 2010 | Mihai Draghici
Posted on December 8, 2010 11:07:46 PM EST by mdraghici
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2639823/posts


44 posted on 12/22/2012 12:37:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

He has it half-right: http://www.threeimpacts-twoevents.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/SIMULTANEOUS-IMPACTS7.pdf


45 posted on 12/22/2012 1:35:04 PM PST by mj81
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To: SunkenCiv

Sohttp://www.sis-group.org.uk/sis-review-vol-v-4-issues-article-abstractsextracts.htmurce:

Problems of Continental Drift

The editors of the Review are often asked by readers about Velikovsky’s attitude to the theory of continental drift. In Earth in Upheaval (chapter viii: ‘The Sliding Continents’) Velikovsky was highly critical of the theory and seemed to reject it in favour of vertical motions of land masses and the apparent movement of continents due to shifts in the Earth’s axis. .....................When Earth in Upheaval was republished by Pocket Books in 1977, Velikovsky felt some extra comment on continental drift was necessary. He adopted a cautious neutral position and chose to reserve judgement on the theory. For the benefit of readers who do not have the Pocket Book edition we reprint here - by kind permission of Mrs. Elisheva Velikovsky - the Foreword and Author’s Note from this new edition. We have also included, as an informed view of the ‘state of play’ with regard to drift theory, an article by Dr. Peter Smith, one of Britain’s foremost geophysicists. - Peter J. James.

A New Introduction to Earth In Upheaval, by Dr. Immanuel Velikovsky
.........I said that I would not revoke anything from the original edition. However, to one section I would like to make some pertinent remarks. By the 1950s, the hypothesis (1920) of A. Wegener about Drifting Continents gained in acceptance; ..............My position on continental drift was (and is) intermediary between those who reject this concept and those who support the idea ..............

‘Wegener’s Legacy’, by Peter J. Smith

........it was Wegener who first drew the global evidence (including Taylor’s) together at length, in his book Die Entstehung der Kontinente und Ozeane (1915); it was Wegener who was vilified by almost the entire geological community during the 1920s; it was Wegener whose influence was remembered when the tide began to turn in his favour, posthumously alas, during the 1950s;


46 posted on 12/22/2012 7:26:17 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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