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Things that don't add up... (CT shooting)

Posted on 12/14/2012 11:24:47 PM PST by djf

Now I've been watching this news for most of the day. Remarkably, it seems to change every few minutes.

First, we had the name change. Who exactly did the shooting? Ryan? Adam? Someone else?

Then, we hear that someone in camo garb or something was apprehended in the woods. When I first heard this, I assumed it was the brother and that was why there was confusion about the name.

But turns out that the brother was actually at work - and was not in the woods. So who was in the woods?

We hear that the mother is a teacher at the school. Then we hear that she was actually a teachers assistant. Then I see a brief interview with someone who DOES work at the school and who says "Nobody here every heard of her."

Then, tonight, she is reported as being unemployed.

First, the guns (which we have YET to get a clear description of the types and calibers) were stolen from the mother. Then, they were "legally purchased"... but no indication when or from where. Latest, a brief statement that they were "legally purchased with a license provided by a family member"... Now I'm not trying to label anybody here, but it sounds a little out of character that some suburban mom in small-town New England would have that many guns.

Huh?

The ONLY picture we have seen of this guy so far is an out-of-focus pic taken in 2005! 2005? He didn't have a drivers license? A girlfriend? I can't see how he might get a gun without some sort of valid photo id.

Last I heard, only three of the children made it to the hospital. If so, this would be a stunning percentage kill-ratio wise for the guy. In fact in most public shootings, the vast majority are wounded, but not killed. Did this guy have some kind of training?

Too many loose ends. The story keeps changing.

Am I the only one who is having trouble thinking that this was just some whacko dude who blew a fuse and started shooting?


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1 posted on 12/14/2012 11:24:53 PM PST by djf
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To: djf

I’ve been wondering about “the guy in the woods” too. He was reported as in custody, and saying “I didn’t do it” I too thought he was the brother, but the brother was questioned I NJ. Who was that guy, and why are’t they even mentioning him now?


2 posted on 12/14/2012 11:29:40 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: djf
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2968767/posts?page=226#226
3 posted on 12/14/2012 11:31:04 PM PST by Errant
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To: djf

It’s the fog of war. Susan Rice will explain it all on the Sunday shows.


4 posted on 12/14/2012 11:32:15 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (Benghazi 2.0.)
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To: djf

Some valid questions here.. How convenient the only other person who knew what he was up to this morning is also dead (his mom).. Or maybe she’s his ‘missing’ girlfriend? Sometimes ‘false flags’ start off with much confusion, like the ‘second shooter’ at the Colorado theater.


5 posted on 12/14/2012 11:33:24 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: djf

I have been wondering about the wounded, too. I am not hearing anything about any wounded. Although I am avoiding the tv news.


6 posted on 12/14/2012 11:40:17 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: djf

Bfl


7 posted on 12/14/2012 11:44:06 PM PST by MrIndi
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To: djf

Tonight, they’re saying that the mother was a substitute teacher at the school, and the principal recognized the shooter as her son, and buzzed him in through a locked door.


8 posted on 12/14/2012 11:45:03 PM PST by Fireone (Impeach and imprison, NOW! Treason and murder are still crimes.)
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To: djf

Nothing about this shooting has been right since it happened...and I am willing to bet it never will be. The source for all the info on Fox that was wrong was none other than the doj itself.


9 posted on 12/14/2012 11:46:01 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: djf

My tin foil antenna hat says this is another set up to garner support for 2nd amendment repeal.


10 posted on 12/14/2012 11:48:02 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Fireone

We’ll never get to ask the principal, will we. Or the mother.

Seems like the only people we are hearing from are those who hid away in a closet or bathroom.

No first hand eyewitness accounts at all.


11 posted on 12/14/2012 11:48:44 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

I’ve also read that the father is still alive, though it was originally announced that he was dead so perhaps we’ll find out the truth as the days move on.


12 posted on 12/14/2012 11:48:56 PM PST by Merta (Like Joe Jones, but in reverse, I talk too much.)
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To: djf

At one point, they reported that his girlfriend was missing. Whose girlfriend? When he was Ryan in the beginning or now that he’s Adam? And, if he has such personality problems, how did he get a girlfriend? Does he have any friends? Isn’t there any public school record of his problems or mental health history, which we learned about pretty quickly in the Colorado movie theatre and Columbine? And, if his mom doesn’t work there, how did he get in and know the floorplan well enough to kill so many so quickly?


13 posted on 12/14/2012 11:57:17 PM PST by MHT
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To: Jet Jaguar
This adminatration sent guns to the drug cartells to kill people, so why would they not do it here?
14 posted on 12/14/2012 11:59:04 PM PST by Duckdog (If it wasn't for NASCAR my TV would have gone out the window years ago!)
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To: Charles Henrickson
It’s the fog of war. Susan Rice will explain it all on the Sunday shows.

To all, take no offense because I'm certainly not laughing at this horrible, evil event, but that comment made me laugh.

15 posted on 12/14/2012 11:59:17 PM PST by beaversmom
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To: djf
No first hand eyewitness accounts at all.

Pretty amazing isn’t it, considering he used a 9mm and supposedly had Asperger Syndrome. That and being from Connecticut, you wouldn't think he'd spent a lot of time at the range.

Wasn't there seven adults killed and not one of them lived long enough to make it to the hospital? Maybe the details just haven't come out, or maybe they never will?

16 posted on 12/15/2012 12:01:31 AM PST by Errant
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To: Duckdog

Nah, it was their mind control machine. It only controls feeble minded liberals though.


17 posted on 12/15/2012 12:01:59 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: djf

From Wiki—

False flag operations

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. Numerous conspiracy theories have developed suggesting that false flag operations have been carried out throughout the 20th century, and the secrecy of the true nature of the events have been maintained by successful cover-ups. The following are some attacks that are believed by some to be examples of false flag attacks:
The Great Fire of Rome was blamed on early Christians, but many people both then and now believed that Emperor Nero deliberately set the fires to make room for his palace that was subsequently built in the area.
On February 27, 1933, the German parliament, the Reichstag building, was subject to an arson attack; this is seen as the pivotal event for the appropriation of authoritarian power by the government of Nazi Germany. Several leading German historians concluded that the fire was a secret Nazi operation for which the Nazis then blamed a communist.[7] “Along with Communist propagandists, serious scholars have been ranged on the side of the proponents of the Nazi conspiracy theory”[8]


18 posted on 12/15/2012 12:02:26 AM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Merta

Yes, the father has been strangely absent. And just like the one pic we have of the supposed shooter, I saw only ONE picture of the mother, badly framed, out of focus, bad lighting...

It just don’t add up. I mean I believe the whacko in Arizona, there were many injured and not killed, there were many eye witnesses, we knew very quickly some of the history of the dude.

But this just keeps getting deeper and changing before our eyes. Pretty soon, there will be more stories than there is about the JFK assassination and the Jimmy Hoffa disappearance put together!!


19 posted on 12/15/2012 12:04:33 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Duckdog

No disagreement here.


20 posted on 12/15/2012 12:05:05 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: All
Has anyone seen a picture of a medflight at the scene? Just curious...


21 posted on 12/15/2012 12:15:27 AM PST by Errant
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To: Persevero

I think there was one wounded (child?) taken and survived. The number of dead isn’t hard to believe. The adults in a small entrance/office with no weapons, caught by surprise.

The second group probably huddled in a classroom - a teacher with 17 kindergartners in her class. He slaughtered them all. (: Probably not hard when they are little kids in the 50-60 pound range. God damn him.

The guy in camo in the woods - perhaps backup? Or perhaps a Dad with a gun that knows that area and came to help out. If it is the later - I hope that story just “goes away”.

When I heard that the guy’s mom was a teacher’s assistance, I wonder if the guy, in his deranged mind, was mad at his mom for spending so much time with the school kids and not paying attention to him - so he “got back” at mom and the little kids?

I don’t believe for a moment that this is some government conspiracy - just a nutcase kid. But you can bet Obama and his ilk will be calling for gun bans, etc. - heck, the little kid’s bodies were still cooling and you started to hear about stricter gun laws, etc.

I grieve for the parents and family and friends of these people.


22 posted on 12/15/2012 12:16:46 AM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: djf; everyone


NOTHING is supposed to add up when the media is speculating and trying to be the first!

Bad information, incorrect information.

The dead shooter, Adam Lanza, had ID from his brother, Ryan, on his corpse, so he was misidentified.

The secure glass door to the school was “apparently” shot out, so references to the shooter being buzzed-in might not be correct.

The principal, the school psychologist and another were "apparently" the first slaughtered. All reports say that his mother was shot in the face at home in her bed and that he took her guns and drove her car to the school. "Apparently," most of the dead little children are from a kindergarten class, however that informative Police Lieutenant has stated that two classrooms were scenes of the slaughter.

Reports say that the shooter, Adam Lanza was mentally disabled. What does that mean? Does that mean he was a slow learner?

I saw a guy interviewed who said he tried to make friends with him in high school to no avail.

I've heard him called a sociopath. I think not, unless he has a criminal record.

His pathology will be interesting. Anti-social personality disorder, Paranoid schizophrenia, drug use, alcohol use, family relations, etc. Looks to me like he hated his mother and likely hated the attention she gave to the kids at the school. Deep, dark resentments.

I hope at least one grieving parent will mention the need to put God back in school = to put God back into the classrooms.

The night before this horrid unspeakable tragedy, the school held its "Winter Concert". How tragic it wasn't the school's CHRISTMAS CONCERT, because now the townspeople and grieving parents are all praying and talking about those poor little children missing CHRISTMAS!

Secularists, the ACLU and demonic-rats can all GTH.

God control is not working, and gun control won't work unless guns can be made to automatically jump out of the hands of murderers and psychopaths.

We can easily fix God control.

Put God and prayer back in the classroom. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

May God have mercy on the sweet souls of those poor children and may He hold their grieving families dear.



23 posted on 12/15/2012 12:18:24 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Errant

Nope. Not one.

Reports I heard say the few who went to a hospital went to Danbury. Not sure exactly how far that is.

Alot of the small towns on the east coast are only a couple miles apart, might actually have been faster to drive them than wait for a chopper setup.


24 posted on 12/15/2012 12:19:16 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Charles Henrickson
It’s the fog of war. Susan Rice will explain it all on the Sunday shows.

Awesome, can't wait hear her explain how this is actually George W Bush's fault.

25 posted on 12/15/2012 12:21:50 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Fireone; djf

New story on the principal from local Connecticut news site. . .

Principal, school psychologist ran to help

By one eye-witness account, Hochsprung and school psychologist Mary Sherlach were in a routine meeting Friday around 9:30 a.m. when they heard gunshots.

They leaped out of their seats and ran out of the room toward the noise, said Diane Day, a therapist who works at the school and was in the meeting, The Wall Street Journal reported on its website.

“They didn’t think twice about confronting or seeing what was going on,” Day said.

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Principal-school-psychologist-ran-to-help-4119969.php


26 posted on 12/15/2012 12:24:04 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: 21twelve; All

The dude was wearing body armor.

This is NOT just a case of somebody “slighty autistic” going on a rampage.

There is more to it. We might never know for sure what, but there is more to it.


27 posted on 12/15/2012 12:26:05 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: onyx

Good insight and info.


28 posted on 12/15/2012 12:26:41 AM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: deks

If THAT’S true, imagine if they had weapons themselves and were trained in using them...how much better this *maybe* could’ve turned out.


29 posted on 12/15/2012 12:26:49 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: djf
Not sure where the hospital is in Danbury, but the center of town is about a 10 miles away from Newtown. The prudent thing would have been to launch the med-flight if available. They have life saving gear and trained personnel on board. Seems odd that one wasn't sent.
30 posted on 12/15/2012 12:40:19 AM PST by Errant
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To: djf

Sure doesn’t seem possible that a young, skinny, untrained, autistic could be such a proficient and cold blooded killer.


31 posted on 12/15/2012 12:41:40 AM PST by Errant
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To: deks
Principal, school psychologist ran to help

Someone reported that he recognized and let the killer in. So now we have a report the he was in a meeting?

32 posted on 12/15/2012 12:44:21 AM PST by Errant
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To: Persevero

A .223 in a 5 - 8 year old is not going to wound.

It’s only going to kill. The damage to a body that small will
be almost inevitably fatal.

Sickening. Evil - defined.

Satan has visited us in full force - and will do his even greater damage through his agents called Democrats - and RINO’s.........


33 posted on 12/15/2012 12:48:50 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: onyx

Thank you, onyx.

Prayers ...


34 posted on 12/15/2012 12:49:31 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Errant

Early twenties seems to be problematic years for some men.


35 posted on 12/15/2012 12:53:13 AM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: djf

No.


36 posted on 12/15/2012 12:53:51 AM PST by funfan
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To: Errant

She...Dawn Hochsprung (photo at link)...according to an “eye-witness account”.

http://www.newstimes.com/news/article/Principal-school-psychologist-ran-to-help-4119969.php


37 posted on 12/15/2012 12:54:40 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Fireone

The Principal was killed correct so we can’t verify with the Prinicpal.


38 posted on 12/15/2012 12:55:32 AM PST by funfan
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To: Rome2000
Dysfunctional family deluxe, but I am interested to find out if this shooter has a criminal record and whether he was being treated by a psychiatrist or *gasp* a psychologist.

It takes a truly delusional, unmerciful individual to ceremoniously shoot little children to death. It's unimaginable.

39 posted on 12/15/2012 12:59:28 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Errant

I’m wondering if there are vids. Doesn’t make a dimes worth of sense to me that some place is going to install a push-button security system and not install a twelve dollar camera.

Actually, I think many of those systems work by camera so somebody can be sitting at a desk, glance at their computer monitor, see who’s at the door and buzz or not...

There must be vids.


40 posted on 12/15/2012 1:00:54 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Errant
Pretty amazing isn’t it, considering he used a 9mm and supposedly had Asperger Syndrome. That and being from Connecticut,

Speaking of amazing things, so is this coincidence:

Saturday, December 01, 2012 CASPER, Wyo. — Police released more details Saturday of a grisly murder-suicide at a Wyoming community college, saying a man shot his father in the head with a bow and arrow in front of a computer science class not long after fatally stabbing his father's live-in girlfriend at their home a couple miles away.

Krumm had been living in an apartment house in Vernon, Conn.,and drove to Casper a few days before the attack.

Christopher Krumm, 25, blamed Asperger’s for his trouble keeping jobs after he got a master's degree in electrical engineering from Colorado School of Mines in 2009, said [his aunt] Barbara Nichols, of Bakersfield, Calif.

...was a "borderline genius" upset by the belief he had inherited Asperger's Syndrome from his dad...

Police say Krumm shot 56-year-old James Krumm with an arrow and stabbed him in his Casper College classroom Friday [Nov 30]. The six or so students in the computer science class escaped unhurt.

Earlier, Krumm fatally stabbed his father's girlfriend, 42-year-old Heidi Arnold, at the home she and James Krumm shared in a quiet neighborhood about two miles from campus. Arnold was a math instructor at Casper College.

41 posted on 12/15/2012 1:01:31 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Same here. The preps since Tucson have been severe crazies..what’s setting them off? All copy cat scenario.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 1:03:56 AM PST by hope
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To: deks
She...

Thanks, not sure where I had heard the principal was a he...

43 posted on 12/15/2012 1:04:53 AM PST by Errant
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To: onyx

Many sociopaths don’t have criminal records.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 1:05:04 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Gene Eric

I would bulldoze those two classrooms, and perhaps the entire school.

Who’s going to want their child to pass those classrooms or sit in those two classrooms?

You watch, they’ll erect tributes to those children, which is proper and all, but I would bulldoze those classrooms for sure and make the land into seating area with something special.


45 posted on 12/15/2012 1:05:37 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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From the Wall Street Journal article referenced in the newstimes.com (Connecticut) article that I linked above. . .

Without a lock to secure the door, a teacher at the meeting pressed her body against the door to hold it shut, Ms. Day said. That teacher was shot through the door in the leg and arm. “She was our hero,” Ms. Day said.

Carrie Usher, a fourth-grade teacher, said she believed the principal turned on the campus loudspeaker system, which broadcast sounds of “screaming and crying” through the school to warn others. Ms. Hochsprung and the school psychologist, identified as Mary Sherlach, were reported to be among the victims.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323297104578179271453737596.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories


46 posted on 12/15/2012 1:05:48 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: 9YearLurker

The types that commit these crimes do.


47 posted on 12/15/2012 1:06:26 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: deks

The parent of the 7yo the meeting was supposedly about reported the same thing.


48 posted on 12/15/2012 1:07:35 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: ApplegateRanch

Indeed!


49 posted on 12/15/2012 1:07:53 AM PST by Errant
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To: djf
There must be vids.

Agree, and they'll be in "proper" hands for sure.

50 posted on 12/15/2012 1:11:02 AM PST by Errant
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