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Things that don't add up... (CT shooting)

Posted on 12/14/2012 11:24:47 PM PST by djf

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To: rickomatic

My guess is the guy in the woods was just walking his dog. I walk my dog near an elementary school every day. I usually wear a green upland style field coat. I am sure they would think that weird.


201 posted on 12/15/2012 7:36:15 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

IMHO, the left politicians manifest a shark-like glare in response to the event with preplanned talking points already tooled up to remove the right to bear arms.

Those who are simply reacting to the horror of the event need to remember that these same left leaning politicians have very little to any conscious respect for life or children as manifest in their promotion of abortion and partial birth abortion.

Their behavior is closer to a Satanic cabal having made a human sacrifice to extend their personal agendas.

The murders themselves are more easily understood as having been demonically influenced, if not possessed in their heinous extremes.

I tend to suspect our generation is witnessing demonic involvement more closely in those who we mistake as our peers and brethren. When they form the majority and are in power, the foundational elements of our Constitution will appear foreign to their instincts because they hate Christ before they hate all others.


202 posted on 12/15/2012 7:39:13 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Wisconsinlady

“How do we know for sure that Ryan was not the guy in the woods?”

From what I have read here, Ryan was at work.


203 posted on 12/15/2012 7:45:00 AM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: TN4Liberty

[ Ryan Lanza told law enforcement he had not been in touch with his brother since about 2010. ]

These is odd to me. Who goes two years with no contact with their younger brother who lives near by? I hope investigaters asked why. Was he estranged from his mother then? Because his younger brother lived with her. Maybe this family was no so functional, afterall. Was it a messy divorce?


204 posted on 12/15/2012 7:45:37 AM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: combat_boots

[Oh. Alive? Really.

Do Adam and his brother have the same father?]

As far as we know and the parents did not divorce until 2009.


205 posted on 12/15/2012 8:07:55 AM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: FlyingEagle

Another False Flag Operation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Kirov

Stalin had him killed so that he could justify the slaughter of what would become millions of people.


206 posted on 12/15/2012 8:14:39 AM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: Cvengr

I’d only add that they prey on the innocent—especially children—because many children still embrace Christ while those older seem to forget. They hate that innocence and purity wherever they find it, and wage war on it daily.


207 posted on 12/15/2012 8:16:23 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: combat_boots

You think Valerie Jarrett was behind this?

This thread has sunk to a Michael Moore level of conspiracy theorists that make the 9/11 truthers seem sane.


208 posted on 12/15/2012 8:32:16 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Blackirish
Fox News is reporting he did not get buzzed in but broke through the glass.

Yes, that makes sense. Glass doors are so universal these days. People make up "security protocols", and don't even consider the obvious.

209 posted on 12/15/2012 8:49:19 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: combat_boots
and 0bama reads words by noon

Obama's press conference didn't start until 2:15 p.m., for whatever it's worth.

I had to look that up, but I knew he didn't speak at noon because I saw the fake tear wiping, yet I wasn't home at noon.

At noon yesterday I was at my neighborhood elementary school taking individual photographs of all of the second-graders for a Christmas ornament project. It wasn't an easy thing to do, hearing the young voices laughing and talking in the hallways and classrooms when I already knew about the Connecticut shootings.

210 posted on 12/15/2012 8:55:15 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: rintense
Many Asperger people are very intelligent.

The report that Lansa's had Asperger's may not be true like many other things that have made the news. I agree, it will be interesting to see more information about it. I know little about it except the one person I know who is about 30 now, intelligent, especially when he was younger, but physically clumsy and antisocial. He has never had anything to do with guns and has never been violent with anyone or anything.

All I know, is that it took an unusually cold blooded killer who was VERY proficient with a pistol. That takes many hours of practice. This person was able to carry this out alone, under great stress, in an unfamilar area. Doesn't sound to me like something a skinny, quiet, timid, shy autistic would be very good at. Maybe he isn't the same person as his picture indicates. The picture published was some years ago.

Maybe he was just a damned psycho as one FRiend pointed out on another thread. Even so, that level of skilled with a pistol required many hours of practice, IMO.

211 posted on 12/15/2012 8:56:59 AM PST by Errant
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To: GenXteacher
I sure as hell would not go down without a fight.

I'll do whatever I can to protect my students. I know you feel the same way.

212 posted on 12/15/2012 8:58:36 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Uncle Chip
Especially since he yells out to the press as he is taken away "I didn't do it".

The brother Ryan posted those exact words on his facebook - It wasn't me. I didn't do it. Was this a very strange coincidence or was the msm rumor mill so messed up they were playing at that game of telephone where one person whispers something and it passes down the line until the end when it's totally different? IIRC, the man in the woods was reported before they named the killer. Which means the brother couldn't have posted those same words until some time later. That definitely doesn't add up. Geez, FOX just reported a young white guy in cammo is hiding in the woods after ambushing an ambulance and shooting and killing a deputy in MO. What's with all these angry armed young white guys? Hussein will use all these events to tear apart the 2nd.

213 posted on 12/15/2012 9:00:54 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Ha! Just shaking my head, thinking you are probably right.


214 posted on 12/15/2012 9:04:08 AM PST by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Impeach the Liar.)
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To: Blackirish
"As far as Zimmerman is concerned. I can’t feel sorry for him either. He was a minimum wage security guard and ended up winning a lawsuit against NBC for 5 mill." Where in the world do you get your information? The suit against NBC was just filed in the last week or so. Your credibility just went to zero.
215 posted on 12/15/2012 9:07:37 AM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: bgill

Has anyone seen a picture of this guy in the woods or is that a figment of the press’s imagination.

I would think that if the press witnessed him being led away in handcuffs that someone somewhere would have snapped a photo while he was yelling at them.


216 posted on 12/15/2012 9:11:35 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: combat_boots
There was a timeline started someplace that said the school doors lock automatically at 9:30. By 9:41, the first 911 call came through.

Most schools start at 8 - 8:30 so that's a bit late to lock the front door. I've thought from the start that he was already inside before the doors locked. If his mother did work there (and that's still confusing) then he'd know what time he needed to be at the school. Reports are that the LE had to break doors to get in so that might be the reason for the broken glass that was reported by children on their way out.

217 posted on 12/15/2012 9:11:52 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: combat_boots

The mom was murdered but his father is still alive and talking to police, I believe.


218 posted on 12/15/2012 9:46:38 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Arlis
The .223 never left the car, according to reports this morning. The shooter had two handguns.
219 posted on 12/15/2012 9:54:58 AM PST by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: All
Why is the only decent reporting coming from outside the US?

Intelligent and uncomfortable, loner left few footprints in life

220 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:10 AM PST by Errant
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To: Uncle Chip

There you go. Made up, or the old telephone game, real or whatever. I just can’t figure the “I didn’t do it” of this probably imagined man in the woods with the same words from Ryan’s FB posted AFTER the supposed man in the woods. These words, stated by whomever, were reported BEFORE Ryan’s FB. Weird that he would post those same words or was repeating what he’d heard on tv when he must have been too upset to think straight. But what do I know, I wouldn’t have taken the time to get on FB knowing my brother had done this and my mother was dead.


221 posted on 12/15/2012 10:08:56 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: onyx

Perfect, right on post! There is no need to look deep into this problem, the answer is to look up.

How helpful for the country it would be if what you said was shouted from the rooftop while the nation mourns and asking ‘what happened’ once again in these schools and by students. Their mourning is bogus because ‘their right to choose’ and ‘their being offended’ caused this by supporting a gov’t to enforce it.

What a hypocritical liar the leader of this country is speaking what these children will never have. They never were allowed to have God in their school nor a nation who gave a damn about life! HE and his ilk denied them the very thing they needed! And telling the world we are not a Christian nation and this is the result!

Fifty years ago they took God out the schools and followed it up with making abortion legal and now same sex marriage. When they took out God - EVIL flowed through this nation.

So the result is forty years later kids are on a shooting rampage in the godless schools and have no value for life. We reap what we sow, more than we sow, LATER than we sow.

I doubt many will make the connection - that’s why your message NEEDS to be heard over and over!

Will Sean, Rush, Levin drive that message home and put it in the lap of DC and say you guys are responsible. Put them on trial with the America public because they ARE KILLING our children. The fish rots from the top - and America is rotting away.

I think not because of advertisers responding to EVIL who does not want that message heard.

“No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.”


222 posted on 12/15/2012 10:14:26 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Errant
That's a good report.

I notice how they say in this report that his mother worked at the school -- which is apparently now wrong.

How is it possible that all the news agencies to have all reported that. A school district official, when asked if she worked there, said that she is not in their database. That wasn't the question.

Could she have volunteered there and still not be in the database. Or had she been in the database and the school district removed her when she left.

How did this kid single out this school that was 5 miles away.

223 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:15 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Errant

http://www.newstimes.com/

I delivered the area newspaper, in my youth, many called it “The News Crimes”, however, they seem to be doing a pretty decent job on coverage.


224 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:24 AM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: Errant

I’d like to know what medications he was on. His 2005 photo looks like he’s heavily medicated. But of course we’ll never be informed of the drugs involved. Neither the government nor the media will implicate Big Pharma as they both receive substantial revenue from its operations.


225 posted on 12/15/2012 10:24:47 AM PST by Justa
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To: Uncle Chip
Here is a recent post with a scoop from NBC that adds info:

Gunman had "altercation" with school staff day before masssacre

226 posted on 12/15/2012 10:27:36 AM PST by Errant
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To: jttpwalsh

Thanks for the link.


227 posted on 12/15/2012 10:30:22 AM PST by Errant
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To: Justa

I wonder if it was any of these. Half the nation is on them.

ANTI-Depressants.............SSRI’s

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/introduction.htm

http://www.antidepressantsfacts.com/casualties.htm


228 posted on 12/15/2012 10:31:07 AM PST by sweetiepiezer
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To: combat_boots

I’m in the Mountain Timezone...... so probably 2 pm Eastern.


229 posted on 12/15/2012 10:31:57 AM PST by bergmeid (FUBO)
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To: 9YearLurker

Hi Lurk:
Thanks for the references re: differences between sociopaths and psychopaths.
In many, many contexts, however, the two terms are used, perhaps imprecisely, interchangeably. See, for example, the first sentence to the sixth paragraph of your original site, which states unequivocally that they are the same.
Looks like some newer smarter psychiatrists have divined a distinction.
So, to be safe, I’ll stay away from both personality types.


230 posted on 12/15/2012 10:32:29 AM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: Justa
I’d like to know what medications he was on.

And what his psychologist has to say...

231 posted on 12/15/2012 10:33:08 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant
So then there is only one person alive to tell us what that altercation was about???? That will be enlightening.

What could this kid be arguing with 4 staff members about????

232 posted on 12/15/2012 10:37:04 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: jttpwalsh

After looking at the photo on their main page of the officer, he’s lucky he wasn’t crushed by all the microphones.


233 posted on 12/15/2012 10:38:24 AM PST by Errant
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To: Uncle Chip

That’s what I would like to know!


234 posted on 12/15/2012 10:40:26 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

Yes, this is international news, in a small town. My experience through the years has been that CT State Police Spokesman J.Paul Vance is pretty old school. He doesn’t say something just to make a statement, you can go to the bank with most of what he says. I am pretty sure any statement he makes as fact has been carefully vetted, and as close to the truth as he knows it to be. He is pretty good at turning aside speculation.


235 posted on 12/15/2012 10:52:57 AM PST by jttpwalsh
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To: presently no screen name
Will Sean, Rush, Levin drive that message home and put it in the lap of DC and say you guys are responsible?

They have the means and the opportunity...bears watching, bears listening.

236 posted on 12/15/2012 11:05:34 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: BIV

I’ll try to!


237 posted on 12/15/2012 11:28:45 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: who knows what evil?

I agree and I pray they will use it.


238 posted on 12/15/2012 11:46:01 AM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
There is no need to look deep into this problem, the answer is to look up.

Partly true, though every flock, both large and small and including households, need a well armed Shepperd in today's world. I can't imagine the funding that went into equipping all of those 150+ useless responders when one guard with a side arm could have prevented this massacre.

In a dumbed down society under an oppressive government, common sense is pushed aside to implement impractical solutions that leave citizens even more defenseless to evil but even more dependent upon the government for its safety.

239 posted on 12/15/2012 12:28:42 PM PST by Errant
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To: Smokin' Joe

I realize there’s no such thing as perfect safety guaranteed; but what we have now is ridiculous. I wish we’d homeschooled our son and dropped out of “politically correct” society (we did; but not enough really). The movies and video games now have “evolved” into total depradation. - This is a big country, but no room for what happened yesterday. - These “gun control” libs have no concept of the reality that when law abiding citizens are disarmed; they’ll be like fish in a barrel. I’m beginning to think that’s the motive for the crooked politicians to grab the guns. We’re just hunkering down here in the “Bible Belt” and Obama be derned!


240 posted on 12/15/2012 12:55:38 PM PST by Twinkie (Draw nigh unto the Lord - John 3:16)
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To: Errant

Exactly. Evil persists because it was made law and we have been seeing the results since 2001 in every area!

Now one more from evil is same sex marriage and people voted for it.

Their tears are bogus - for show (deception) - they are surface and it does not come from the heart!

Don’t tell a parent or anyone else that less they are offended. Another LAW! Truth is Hate speech with a PC cover. How many times do we have someone post - that is racist - they are agreeing with evil without having the insight to know it. Just like those who declare obama is the messiah or king - again agreeing with evil without the insight to know it. Instead of condemning evil - their wanting to be a joker takes precedence with them. Agreeing with evil in any way has it’s consequences. The ‘can’t you take a joke’ and ‘lightener up’ mantra is just another way.


241 posted on 12/15/2012 1:11:25 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Blackirish; All

Was she behind the shooting? I think her fully capable of it, but I don’t know. These people are monsters, who loathe this country and its citizens. They want revenge, remember?

The shooter had two pistols, with a rifle in the trunk of the car. But now, we hear, courtesy of Reuters, that “(a)ll the shootings he was aware of were committed with a rifle, Carver said.

The dead included eight boys, 12 girls, and six women aged 27 to 56, authorities said.”

“All the wounds that I know of at this point were caused by the long weapon,” Carver said.

So, we are to think that the shooter shot children in a room with a rifle only? BS. You watch. This ‘rifle’ will become automatic weapon soon, the ‘assault rifle’ meme cropping up in 3-2-1...

The Left has to have our guns prior to their night of the long knives. Ayres still needs his 25% of Americans dead, and Agenda 21 just starts there.


242 posted on 12/15/2012 3:15:32 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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I forgot to mention that this ‘Carver’ fellow is the CT state medical examiner.

It begins.


243 posted on 12/15/2012 3:17:09 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: 21twelve

“I don’t believe for a moment that this is some government conspiracy -”

Agreed, I think the “conspiracy” is to use every mass murder as leverage to disarm the innocent.

We need to be prepared for this at every turn.

Murders will always happen. The question is, will the innocent be able to defend themselves or just have to be sitting ducks like the poor kids in Connecticut on Friday.


244 posted on 12/15/2012 3:18:24 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: combat_boots
Oh. Alive? Really. Do Adam and his brother have the same father?

Ooh, crap. Got caught in an assumption! Well done, sir!

245 posted on 12/15/2012 6:05:27 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: bgill

Police scanner of an arrest at the school:

http://youtu.be/p_ODW4JG9y8


246 posted on 12/15/2012 9:42:12 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MinuteGal
From my friend Beverly Perlson:

After the shooting in Arizona, I had hoped Obama would take the fear and heartache this nation felt and use it to teach the nation that troubled people do not just get up one day and decide to shoot people. There are signs, always, and most times they begin at an early age. Mothers know these signs when they see them in their own children.

I remember in the Arizona shooting, students and instructors who had come in contact with Jared Loughtner, the shooter, had felt fear around him. In fact, eventually Loughtner was forbidden at the school, thanks to one of the instructors who acknowledged his feelings of fear and reported them.

I am so deeply sorry for the families who have lost children and loved ones in this horrific tragedy. I pray for them. I hope and pray in the days and the weeks to come, we don't focus on the gun used in this horrific act but the troubled person behind it who I am certain gave signs to those around him that he could hurt someone.

I ran a day treatment for the mentally ill for 7 years and trust me when I tell you this, this feeling you get when you know someone is truly dangerous goes to the very core of your being and your feelings unsettle you to the point that they keep you awake at night. You feel “terrorized”’ and we need to learn to recognize that feeling and report it! Also, in all those 7 years I only had one client like I describe here and because the mother nor the main center where I worked refused to listen to me or the psychiatrist, the ending was horrific and an innocent girl was killed.

Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers

247 posted on 12/15/2012 9:57:58 PM PST by seekthetruth (I want a Commander In Chief who honors and supports our Military!)
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To: Uncle Chip; combat_boots

Yes, the bozo coroner said all was done with a “long” gun and he repeated “long” but the reports were that the rifle was in the trunk of the mother’s car out in the parking lot and the guy only had two hand guns. It was after the coroner spoke that suddenly the story changed to the gunman also had two rifles of some sort on him. Did the story change to cover the bozo coroner or did every reporter have it wrong before? I don’t remember what the LE spokesperson said about the guns yesterday. Be it known that if I ever found out that coroner was examining my near and dear, I would be yanking the body off the table.

It was reported by several reporters that there was a handcuffed man who was led past everyone who was saying it wasn’t him and he didn’t do it. Later, we hear and see the pages of the brother’s FB where he says the exact same thing as the handcuffed man.

Now, on Uncle’s video link, the young boy says there was a handcuffed man on the ground at the fire station. Ok, let’s say this is just one handcuffed man and the police eventually cleared him but odd how the talking heads never followed through.

Also on the video, the police tape says a teacher reported she had seen two shadows go past the window (maybe those kids who escaped and not the gunman?) and seconds later the cop excitedly says “they’re” coming at him and they have “them.” So, who is “them”? Which brings me to the other video of the cops chasing someone/something in the woods which the comments section say is a deer. I didn’t see a deer but then the video was bad. Could the deer be the “them”? Are the deer in CT so tame that they just sit there and let police plow through the woods hollering and surround them before high tailing it outta there??? Must be a hunters’ paradise if that’s the case. Or maybe I need to invest in more tin foil.

Also, CBS stated the mother was worried about the coming economic collapse and needed protection so that was why she had a gun collection. IOW, they’ll soon be spinning her to be a wacky doomsday prepper. Never mind that friends said the sons were taught to shoot and that the oldest son had estranged himself from the younger brother for years which means the family had the guns for many years before the current worries over the economy. Hussein will use this to go after the 2nd. Follow that up with that leftist emergency management woman stating doomsday preppers are selfish andshould share, well, he’s going to go after preppers as well.


248 posted on 12/16/2012 12:13:44 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: bgill

Video and more here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2969210/posts


249 posted on 12/16/2012 6:07:25 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: bgill; Uncle Chip

The LIBOR case. AGAIN.

Why am I not surprised?

See Holmes’ father...

John Roll’s ruling against 0bama, just 72 hours prior to his assassination, about preventing seizure of US citizens’ funds, including IRAs and so forth.

Let’s go way back to another watershed moment (as an example):
The elimination of silver certificate issuance,s 5 months after JFK’s death, too. See john-f-kennedy.net as an example for quite a tale.


250 posted on 12/16/2012 9:27:38 AM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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