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Posted on 12/14/2012 11:24:47 PM PST by djf

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To: deks

It was reported on the news earlier that the school had done a security update earlier this year or last year and that they DID install one of those buzz-in systems.

So now there’s no lock on the school door?

See? The entire story is changing at will.


51 posted on 12/15/2012 1:13:11 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

I *think* the buzz-in would then unlock the door.


52 posted on 12/15/2012 1:15:50 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: Gene Eric

Hopefully these questions and more will get answered as more information is released.


53 posted on 12/15/2012 1:16:10 AM PST by Errant
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To: Errant

It’s just six miles driving to the hospital from the elementary school.


54 posted on 12/15/2012 1:16:43 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: onyx

I’m not so sure about that—until they commit these crimes, of course.


55 posted on 12/15/2012 1:22:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Probably the reason, but it's kinda odd everything wasn't sent. If it were me, I'd find out why. If there was another shooter, they could have been seen from the air and med-flight would have been first on the scene.
56 posted on 12/15/2012 1:27:30 AM PST by Errant
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To: 9YearLurker

There’s almost always warning signs for these types and a criminal record from age fifteen would be informative. Sociopathy’s have many forms. For example, the Marxist in the WH is a full blown sociopath, but he’s not the type to shoot children, although he would likely have no problem shooting his perceived enemies in the face or ordering someone else to do it.


57 posted on 12/15/2012 1:29:08 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

“he would likely have no problem shooting his perceived enemies in the face or ordering someone else to do it.”

I recall that two of Obama’s gay “friends” were assassinated in Chicago, prior the 2008 election ... Police never found the murderer(s)


58 posted on 12/15/2012 1:39:21 AM PST by Marguerite (a)
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To: djf

So now there’s no lock on the school door?


No... the meeting room door. Ms. Day is the quoted eyewitness that was in the meeting room with the principal. She said that the principal left the room when the incident started. Since Ms. Day obviously survived the incident, I will speculate that the “teacher”, although wounded in the process, was successful in barricading the meeting room door with her body. (see in quote below). In the first police press conference yesterday, I believe the spokesman said that there was only one person that was wounded and survived. (that may turn out to be the “teacher” described below, or maybe not)

It’s in this article from the Wall Street Journal . . .

“Without a lock to secure the door, a teacher at the meeting pressed her body against the door to hold it shut, Ms. Day said. That teacher was shot through the door in the leg and arm. “She was our hero,” Ms. Day said.


59 posted on 12/15/2012 1:39:47 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: Marguerite

:)

“The Chicago Way”


60 posted on 12/15/2012 1:43:08 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Jet Jaguar

...”My tin foil antenna hat says this is another set up to garner support for 2nd amendment repeal”...

Are you saying you think it is possible that someone in the anti-gun movement set up this massacre so that the government can possibly disarm America? I know those who want dictatorship are vicious and I know the press would cover any evidence of such a horrifically awful thing, but....


61 posted on 12/15/2012 1:43:53 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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Wall Street Journal
Dec 14, 2012 - updated 10:45 p.m. ET

Dozens Killed in Conn. School Shooting

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323297104578179271453737596.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories


62 posted on 12/15/2012 1:47:22 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: onyx

Warning signs, indeed.

And you’re of course right about cold-blooded Barry.


63 posted on 12/15/2012 1:50:14 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: jazzlite; LucyT

I am saying that it was already tried with the Fast and Furious operation.

They got an American Border Patrol agent killed and got many more innocent Mexican citizens killed in the name of banning certain firearms.

The press would not report it. They have not reported on the gun running to Mexico.


64 posted on 12/15/2012 1:51:23 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: MHT

The liberals let the kooks out of the mental institutions and closed the mental hospitals. Now they are reaping what they have sewn...


65 posted on 12/15/2012 1:52:44 AM PST by Shamrock-DW
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To: deks

OK, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.

Stressful day, eh?
Prayers for the families...


66 posted on 12/15/2012 1:53:41 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

There are many things that don’t add up and you have hit on a lot of them. But very sadly, even if we knew everything about everything, it wouldn’t lighten the load on our hearts tonight. All of the could-of’s, would-of’s, and should-of’s ultimately didn’t, so here we gather with broken hearts. How we address this is a question for tomorrow, tonight we just grieve and cry ourselves to sleep.


67 posted on 12/15/2012 1:55:56 AM PST by tahoeblue
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To: Errant
...”Pretty amazing isn’t it, considering he used a 9mm and supposedly had Asperger Syndrome. That and being from Connecticut, you wouldn't think he'd spent a lot of time at the range”...

Yes..We have a close friend whose 17 year old son has Asperger’s, and, all of this is remarkable considering what we know about him, his problems and his personality..It is hard to believe this person did all of the complex planning of this on his own if he had mental deficiencies..Also, though, medications or drugs of other kinds must be considered..He was 20 and we do live in a culture heavily saturated with drugs. Drug use in America may be the biggest threat to our safely and well being right now. They kill the lives, hopes and dreams of individuals and families every day and, for most, there is no cure. We have seen governments just days ago unleash marijuana on society. Another disgust for me in the light of the horrific murder of these innocents is the abortion industry which is supported by all of those who are coming out for the disarming of American citizens. What about those innocents? The litany of names blaming guns instead of looking at the true facts of this and other massacres is always the same. Americans will not give up their means of protecting themselves, especially against a hostile government which has now risen to a major danger in the minds of lots of people.

68 posted on 12/15/2012 2:03:52 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: 9YearLurker

I’m calling it a night. I think the media are covering-up something or not properly investigating the shooter. I’ve only heard the one guy interviewed who said he tried to make friends with the shooter in high school to no avail. For such a small town that’s described as close knit, you’d think neighbors and former classmates would have been interviewed about the shooter, yet nobody’s come forward on TV? Very odd.

See you tomorry.


69 posted on 12/15/2012 2:06:54 AM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Errant

Wasn’t there seven adults killed and not one of them lived long enough to make it to the hospital? Maybe the details just haven’t come out, or maybe they never will?
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Three were taken to hospitals. Two kids died there. The adult is still alive, as it was reported that she was shot in a foot or lower leg.


70 posted on 12/15/2012 2:07:10 AM PST by octex
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To: djf

Yes, a day of sadness and confusion. Prayers up for the families, and for all of the other folks who are affected. For those who died, R.I.P.


71 posted on 12/15/2012 2:11:01 AM PST by deks ("...the battle...liberty against the overreach of the federal government" Ken Cuccinelli)
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To: onyx

There is an article over on the NYTimes now that does interview a number of neighborhood and class parents and kids:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/15/nyregion/adam-lanza-an-enigma-who-is-now-identified-as-a-mass-killer.html?ref=nyregion

Have a restful night’s sleep, if you can.


72 posted on 12/15/2012 2:11:04 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: octex
Wasn’t she was shot while holding the door closed? It’s possible she never saw the shooter, nor the shooter saw her other than he knowing someone was holding the door closed, probably put a few rounds through the door, guessing at their position.
73 posted on 12/15/2012 2:13:15 AM PST by Errant
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To: onyx

...”God control is not working, and gun control won’t work unless guns can be made to automatically jump out of the hands of murderers and psychopaths.

We can easily fix God control.

Put God and prayer back in the classroom. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

May God have mercy on the sweet souls of those poor children and may He hold their grieving families dear”...

My sister, who is a nurse, called last night very depressed over these sweet children. Worried about her and being a Christian myself, I fell back on what I know about my Lord and I envisioned a scene for her of all those sweet spirits rising together to meet Jesus, experiencing the joy they could never know is this world of struggle and heartache. Then I asked her to try to think of them as being in the arms of God and those they love who have gone before. The images seemed to help..When we deprive children of the hope we have as Christians, we rob them of any real peace they can have on the earth and any hope they can have of eternity when they leave. What our left wing government has done to our people through the stripping away of our Judeo-Christian values is unforgiveable.


74 posted on 12/15/2012 2:20:56 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: onyx

Even in the midst of the tragedy, political correctness q.v.:

“The kids were being so good,” she said. “They asked, ‘Can we go see if anyone is out there?’ ‘I just want Christmas. I don’t want to die, I just want to have Christmas.’ I said, ‘You’re going to have Christmas and Hanukkah.’”

http://news.yahoo.com/routine-morning-then-shots-unthinkable-terror-034139544.html

and

“I thought we were all going to die,” she said through tears. “I told the kids I love them and I was so happy they were my students... I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don’t believe in prayer” think happy thoughts.

http://gma.yahoo.com/childrens-terror-newtown-massacre-192100426—abc-news-topstories.html?cache=clear


75 posted on 12/15/2012 2:25:15 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Errant

Someone reported that he recognized and let the killer in. So now we have a report the he was in a meeting?
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The Principal was female. A couple of reports I heard during the day said that ALL of the faculty and staff were female. ....That would maybe be right, since the school only had students K through 4 (about 10 y/o).


76 posted on 12/15/2012 2:28:54 AM PST by octex
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To: onyx

...”It takes a truly delusional, unmerciful individual to ceremoniously shoot little children to death. It’s unimaginable”...

This unimaginable crime requires that a full, honest and TRANSPARENT explanation of everything which is discovered be made to the American people..Fat chance of that, though, in this age heavy with media propaganda. I talked to a Mother last night who is trying to shield her 12 yr. old from the news as she figures out how to tell her of this. Children all over America will be afraid to go to school. I do know that this 12 year old would be comforted if she could know that someone in the front office had the means to protect her at school should a criminal come in with intent to harm.


77 posted on 12/15/2012 2:35:44 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Shamrock-DW

I agree.

It’s all this “self-esteem” bullshit and the seeming fact that we’re not willing to call a spade a spade.

Responsible gun owners have to be willing to admit that there are some people who should never have guns.

At the same time, libs, etc. have to admit that there are some people, who even if they never committed a crime in their life, should NOT be allowed to walk the streets, no matter what dam meds people can dream up, or what nice little diagnosis the APA can come up with.

AFAIK, Aspergers has at it’s very center a basis of anti-social behavior.

We may not like it, but we are in no way protected or advanced by hiding from it.


78 posted on 12/15/2012 2:41:34 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: djf

It’s starting to smell like the Port Arthur Massacre, isn’t it?


79 posted on 12/15/2012 2:51:23 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: djf

...”We may not like it, but we are in no way protected or advanced by hiding from it”...

Exactly right!


80 posted on 12/15/2012 2:53:52 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Fireone
Tonight, they’re saying that the mother was a substitute teacher at the school, and the principal recognized the shooter as her son, and buzzed him in through a locked door.

With an AR-15 and two handguns? Some things are just hard to conceal.

81 posted on 12/15/2012 2:55:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The overload of info... - it’s looking more and more like intentional disinfo.

Pretty convenient that the few people who could have given us hard facts are all dead.

Just in the last hour or so, I’m hearing that he had at least one more riffle (above the one found in the trunk) and a couple shotguns... but no one seems willing to say where they were found.

Amazing.


82 posted on 12/15/2012 2:56:53 AM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: All

They also said the gunman killed his own daughter in the kindergarden class -—then said son later......


83 posted on 12/15/2012 3:01:35 AM PST by CharlotteVRWC
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To: 21twelve
I don’t believe for a moment that this is some government conspiracy - just a nutcase kid.

It doesn't have to be. If the government muddles the facts well enough and tweaks the emotions of enough people incapable of critical thought, the result can be the same. The Government conspiracy is the one to use horrible events like this to attempt to remove a fundamental Right. That's even a crime.

84 posted on 12/15/2012 3:06:29 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Errant
Sure doesn’t seem possible that a young, skinny, untrained, autistic could be such a proficient and cold blooded killer.

I said the same about the Port Arthur Massacre in Tasmania, which was the pivotal event in sweeping gun bans there.

85 posted on 12/15/2012 3:10:24 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Errant

The autism part is what is bothering me too. I’m a psychiatric nurse and I am team leader over a child-adolescent unit. I’ve never seen an autistic patient who would be capable of such a high kill ratio. This part bothers me too. I’m not trying to diagnose him and I have never treated this particular boy, I’m just saying that in all the years I’ve been working in my profession, I have never seen an autistic patient who would be capable of this. And that includes the ones with Aspberger’s.


86 posted on 12/15/2012 3:15:58 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: 9YearLurker
It would be very unusual for a sociopath to not have a criminal history of some kind dating back to at least adolescence and sometimes younger. They place little to no value on conforming to society's laws, so there is usually a history of lawbreaking, most often involving violence. Sociopathy/Psychopathy is at the severe end of the antisocial personality disorder spectrum. In my job as a mental health counselor at a community mental health center, I do intakes. I have sat across from some of these people, and I can almost pick them out walking in the door. They just have a way about them that is creepy. They are so untreatable that we do not accept them into our program.
87 posted on 12/15/2012 3:18:37 AM PST by BoomerBabe
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To: Arlis

That was in the trunk of the car, not used.


88 posted on 12/15/2012 3:24:34 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: djf; mickie; flaglady47; Chigirl 26; seekthetruth; seenenuf; Bob Ireland; surfer; oswegodeee; ...
In addition to all the misinformation, the killer's rampage is being ascribed to "Asperger's Disease"......although at this time no one knows diddly-squat what was wrong with the guy.

A year ago, the rumors would have been that he was bi-polar. Today, the quick reason for unthinkable or multiple murders by one individual is Asperger's, the current soup de jour of excuses.

Actually, this "disease" is known in the medical profession as "Asperger's Syndrome" or "Asperger's Disorder". Not all that much is known about it yet, except (condensed) it's thought to be a milder form of autism.

Physical clumsiness is one sympton of Asperger's....which is interesting in the context of this multiple killing spree.

At any rate, Asperger's, in connection with this murderer, is just wild speculation at this point.

It could very well be this disorder, or bi-polarism (manic/depressive), uncontrollable rage, drugs....or it could be he was just plain evil.

Leni

89 posted on 12/15/2012 3:30:57 AM PST by MinuteGal (I'm Going to Update the Name That No One Dares to Utter and I'll Use It From Now On......OBAMUNISM !)
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To: djf; All

Not only everything you mentioned is accurate (and troubling)....the dead children’s bodies ARE STILL IN THE CLASSROOMS 21 HRS AFTER THEIR MURDER....the bodies are decomposing as we speak...as investigators “continue the investigation”. The childrens bodies should have been at least taken to the morgue

Yes...the false reports. The supposed 2d shooter in the woods. A mother whose status at the school changes every hour. A woman with a mentally whacked out son has so many weapons at home IN A GUN CONTROL STATE

Something is not right here

And, those who immediately discount things with “Conspiracy Theory”....you may be the ones wearing the tin foil hats here.

Things do not add up


90 posted on 12/15/2012 3:36:00 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: BoomerBabe

There’s a significant difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. You appear to be referring to only an extreme form of sociopath as the term is now used:

http://www.youmeworks.com/sociopaths.html


91 posted on 12/15/2012 3:44:28 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Smokin' Joe

Port Arthur massacre also had strong elements of CT.

False Flag for repealing gun rights.


92 posted on 12/15/2012 3:45:01 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Duckdog

“This adminatration sent guns to the drug cartells to kill people, so why would they not do it here?”

I wouldn’t put anything past this evil administration. I have a hard time believing that these shootings in the past 4 years have nothing to do with one another. Something stinks to high heaven. Columbine seemed believable, then there was the Virginia Tech. Now they are being mass produced in the 4 years under this jerk. Sickening and sad, but I really wouldnt put anything past them to push their agenda.


93 posted on 12/15/2012 3:52:38 AM PST by castlegreyskull
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To: djf

In grade school, several decades ago, in our very small town; God wasn’t barred from school, computers and cellphones were absent, tv wasn’t the cesspool it is now. We walked single-file, our whole class, down to see the latest holiday window decorations at the little florist down the street from the school just to have an outing. Our principal was an energetic crippled man on crutches. - I’m just homesick for a more innocent time and place, I guess.


94 posted on 12/15/2012 4:11:16 AM PST by Twinkie (Draw nigh unto the Lord - John 3:16)
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To: djf

It will take a long time to collate the information and try to make some sense of it all, if that’s even possible.

One thing’s for sure - Bloomberg and Menino wasted no time trying to advance their agenda - http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Menino-gun-control

These guys are truly shameless.


95 posted on 12/15/2012 4:12:07 AM PST by GP100
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To: jazzlite

Think Fast and Furious.


96 posted on 12/15/2012 4:16:47 AM PST by Josephat
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To: rickomatic

The numbers put up a red flag for me too. I read somewhere that in any action that the killed to wounded ratio is between 2 to1 or 3 to 1. So that means for 28 dead there should have been 50 wounded. Did he, God forbid execute the wounded? I guess he could have had time and opportunity. The one good thing I heard the police say was they immediately entered the school rather than I believe in Columbine they waited to assess the situation.


97 posted on 12/15/2012 4:17:32 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: GP100

And just like that... he is an honor student raised by smart, loving, and caring parents.

http://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-school-shooting-suspect-honours-student-lived-prosperous-065028372.html


98 posted on 12/15/2012 4:18:38 AM PST by TN4Liberty (My tagline disappeared so this is my new one.)
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To: Fireone

“...the principal recognized the shooter as her son, and buzzed him in through a locked door.”

Hmmm... Since I heard he was wearing a mask, how did the principal recognize him? Also, it’s unfortunate she’s dead and can’t tell us what happened.


99 posted on 12/15/2012 4:21:42 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: TN4Liberty

Since the MSM has trained me to always look for the dog that didn’t bark, to read what isn’t said better than what actually is said a la Pravda under the Soviet Union, I have to say that the father remaining nameless stands out. Some reports had him being killed. No name.


100 posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:25 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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