Skip to comments.Things that don't add up... (CT shooting)
Posted on 12/14/2012 11:24:47 PM PST by djf
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It was reported on the news earlier that the school had done a security update earlier this year or last year and that they DID install one of those buzz-in systems.
So now there’s no lock on the school door?
See? The entire story is changing at will.
I *think* the buzz-in would then unlock the door.
Hopefully these questions and more will get answered as more information is released.
It’s just six miles driving to the hospital from the elementary school.
I’m not so sure about that—until they commit these crimes, of course.
There’s almost always warning signs for these types and a criminal record from age fifteen would be informative. Sociopathy’s have many forms. For example, the Marxist in the WH is a full blown sociopath, but he’s not the type to shoot children, although he would likely have no problem shooting his perceived enemies in the face or ordering someone else to do it.
“he would likely have no problem shooting his perceived enemies in the face or ordering someone else to do it.”
I recall that two of Obama’s gay “friends” were assassinated in Chicago, prior the 2008 election ... Police never found the murderer(s)
So now theres no lock on the school door?
No... the meeting room door. Ms. Day is the quoted eyewitness that was in the meeting room with the principal. She said that the principal left the room when the incident started. Since Ms. Day obviously survived the incident, I will speculate that the “teacher”, although wounded in the process, was successful in barricading the meeting room door with her body. (see in quote below). In the first police press conference yesterday, I believe the spokesman said that there was only one person that was wounded and survived. (that may turn out to be the “teacher” described below, or maybe not)
It’s in this article from the Wall Street Journal . . .
“Without a lock to secure the door, a teacher at the meeting pressed her body against the door to hold it shut, Ms. Day said. That teacher was shot through the door in the leg and arm. She was our hero, Ms. Day said.
“The Chicago Way”
...”My tin foil antenna hat says this is another set up to garner support for 2nd amendment repeal”...
Are you saying you think it is possible that someone in the anti-gun movement set up this massacre so that the government can possibly disarm America? I know those who want dictatorship are vicious and I know the press would cover any evidence of such a horrifically awful thing, but....
Wall Street Journal
Dec 14, 2012 - updated 10:45 p.m. ET
Dozens Killed in Conn. School Shooting
Warning signs, indeed.
And you’re of course right about cold-blooded Barry.
I am saying that it was already tried with the Fast and Furious operation.
They got an American Border Patrol agent killed and got many more innocent Mexican citizens killed in the name of banning certain firearms.
The press would not report it. They have not reported on the gun running to Mexico.
The liberals let the kooks out of the mental institutions and closed the mental hospitals. Now they are reaping what they have sewn...
OK, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.
Stressful day, eh?
Prayers for the families...
There are many things that don’t add up and you have hit on a lot of them. But very sadly, even if we knew everything about everything, it wouldn’t lighten the load on our hearts tonight. All of the could-of’s, would-of’s, and should-of’s ultimately didn’t, so here we gather with broken hearts. How we address this is a question for tomorrow, tonight we just grieve and cry ourselves to sleep.
Yes..We have a close friend whose 17 year old son has Asperger’s, and, all of this is remarkable considering what we know about him, his problems and his personality..It is hard to believe this person did all of the complex planning of this on his own if he had mental deficiencies..Also, though, medications or drugs of other kinds must be considered..He was 20 and we do live in a culture heavily saturated with drugs. Drug use in America may be the biggest threat to our safely and well being right now. They kill the lives, hopes and dreams of individuals and families every day and, for most, there is no cure. We have seen governments just days ago unleash marijuana on society. Another disgust for me in the light of the horrific murder of these innocents is the abortion industry which is supported by all of those who are coming out for the disarming of American citizens. What about those innocents? The litany of names blaming guns instead of looking at the true facts of this and other massacres is always the same. Americans will not give up their means of protecting themselves, especially against a hostile government which has now risen to a major danger in the minds of lots of people.
I’m calling it a night. I think the media are covering-up something or not properly investigating the shooter. I’ve only heard the one guy interviewed who said he tried to make friends with the shooter in high school to no avail. For such a small town that’s described as close knit, you’d think neighbors and former classmates would have been interviewed about the shooter, yet nobody’s come forward on TV? Very odd.
See you tomorry.
Wasn’t there seven adults killed and not one of them lived long enough to make it to the hospital? Maybe the details just haven’t come out, or maybe they never will?
Three were taken to hospitals. Two kids died there. The adult is still alive, as it was reported that she was shot in a foot or lower leg.
Yes, a day of sadness and confusion. Prayers up for the families, and for all of the other folks who are affected. For those who died, R.I.P.
There is an article over on the NYTimes now that does interview a number of neighborhood and class parents and kids:
Have a restful night’s sleep, if you can.
...”God control is not working, and gun control won’t work unless guns can be made to automatically jump out of the hands of murderers and psychopaths.
We can easily fix God control.
Put God and prayer back in the classroom. Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
May God have mercy on the sweet souls of those poor children and may He hold their grieving families dear”...
My sister, who is a nurse, called last night very depressed over these sweet children. Worried about her and being a Christian myself, I fell back on what I know about my Lord and I envisioned a scene for her of all those sweet spirits rising together to meet Jesus, experiencing the joy they could never know is this world of struggle and heartache. Then I asked her to try to think of them as being in the arms of God and those they love who have gone before. The images seemed to help..When we deprive children of the hope we have as Christians, we rob them of any real peace they can have on the earth and any hope they can have of eternity when they leave. What our left wing government has done to our people through the stripping away of our Judeo-Christian values is unforgiveable.
Even in the midst of the tragedy, political correctness q.v.:
“The kids were being so good,” she said. “They asked, ‘Can we go see if anyone is out there?’ ‘I just want Christmas. I don’t want to die, I just want to have Christmas.’ I said, ‘You’re going to have Christmas and Hanukkah.’”
“I thought we were all going to die,” she said through tears. “I told the kids I love them and I was so happy they were my students... I said anyone who believed in the power of the prayer, we need to pray and those who don’t believe in prayer” think happy thoughts.
Someone reported that he recognized and let the killer in. So now we have a report the he was in a meeting?
The Principal was female. A couple of reports I heard during the day said that ALL of the faculty and staff were female. ....That would maybe be right, since the school only had students K through 4 (about 10 y/o).
...”It takes a truly delusional, unmerciful individual to ceremoniously shoot little children to death. It’s unimaginable”...
This unimaginable crime requires that a full, honest and TRANSPARENT explanation of everything which is discovered be made to the American people..Fat chance of that, though, in this age heavy with media propaganda. I talked to a Mother last night who is trying to shield her 12 yr. old from the news as she figures out how to tell her of this. Children all over America will be afraid to go to school. I do know that this 12 year old would be comforted if she could know that someone in the front office had the means to protect her at school should a criminal come in with intent to harm.
It’s all this “self-esteem” bullshit and the seeming fact that we’re not willing to call a spade a spade.
Responsible gun owners have to be willing to admit that there are some people who should never have guns.
At the same time, libs, etc. have to admit that there are some people, who even if they never committed a crime in their life, should NOT be allowed to walk the streets, no matter what dam meds people can dream up, or what nice little diagnosis the APA can come up with.
AFAIK, Aspergers has at it’s very center a basis of anti-social behavior.
We may not like it, but we are in no way protected or advanced by hiding from it.
It’s starting to smell like the Port Arthur Massacre, isn’t it?
...”We may not like it, but we are in no way protected or advanced by hiding from it”...
With an AR-15 and two handguns? Some things are just hard to conceal.
The overload of info... - it’s looking more and more like intentional disinfo.
Pretty convenient that the few people who could have given us hard facts are all dead.
Just in the last hour or so, I’m hearing that he had at least one more riffle (above the one found in the trunk) and a couple shotguns... but no one seems willing to say where they were found.
They also said the gunman killed his own daughter in the kindergarden class -—then said son later......
It doesn't have to be. If the government muddles the facts well enough and tweaks the emotions of enough people incapable of critical thought, the result can be the same. The Government conspiracy is the one to use horrible events like this to attempt to remove a fundamental Right. That's even a crime.
I said the same about the Port Arthur Massacre in Tasmania, which was the pivotal event in sweeping gun bans there.
The autism part is what is bothering me too. I’m a psychiatric nurse and I am team leader over a child-adolescent unit. I’ve never seen an autistic patient who would be capable of such a high kill ratio. This part bothers me too. I’m not trying to diagnose him and I have never treated this particular boy, I’m just saying that in all the years I’ve been working in my profession, I have never seen an autistic patient who would be capable of this. And that includes the ones with Aspberger’s.
That was in the trunk of the car, not used.
A year ago, the rumors would have been that he was bi-polar. Today, the quick reason for unthinkable or multiple murders by one individual is Asperger's, the current soup de jour of excuses.
Actually, this "disease" is known in the medical profession as "Asperger's Syndrome" or "Asperger's Disorder". Not all that much is known about it yet, except (condensed) it's thought to be a milder form of autism.
Physical clumsiness is one sympton of Asperger's....which is interesting in the context of this multiple killing spree.
At any rate, Asperger's, in connection with this murderer, is just wild speculation at this point.
It could very well be this disorder, or bi-polarism (manic/depressive), uncontrollable rage, drugs....or it could be he was just plain evil.
Not only everything you mentioned is accurate (and troubling)....the dead children’s bodies ARE STILL IN THE CLASSROOMS 21 HRS AFTER THEIR MURDER....the bodies are decomposing as we speak...as investigators “continue the investigation”. The childrens bodies should have been at least taken to the morgue
Yes...the false reports. The supposed 2d shooter in the woods. A mother whose status at the school changes every hour. A woman with a mentally whacked out son has so many weapons at home IN A GUN CONTROL STATE
Something is not right here
And, those who immediately discount things with “Conspiracy Theory”....you may be the ones wearing the tin foil hats here.
Things do not add up
There’s a significant difference between a sociopath and a psychopath. You appear to be referring to only an extreme form of sociopath as the term is now used:
Port Arthur massacre also had strong elements of CT.
False Flag for repealing gun rights.
“This adminatration sent guns to the drug cartells to kill people, so why would they not do it here?”
I wouldn’t put anything past this evil administration. I have a hard time believing that these shootings in the past 4 years have nothing to do with one another. Something stinks to high heaven. Columbine seemed believable, then there was the Virginia Tech. Now they are being mass produced in the 4 years under this jerk. Sickening and sad, but I really wouldnt put anything past them to push their agenda.
In grade school, several decades ago, in our very small town; God wasn’t barred from school, computers and cellphones were absent, tv wasn’t the cesspool it is now. We walked single-file, our whole class, down to see the latest holiday window decorations at the little florist down the street from the school just to have an outing. Our principal was an energetic crippled man on crutches. - I’m just homesick for a more innocent time and place, I guess.
It will take a long time to collate the information and try to make some sense of it all, if that’s even possible.
One thing’s for sure - Bloomberg and Menino wasted no time trying to advance their agenda - http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/12/14/Menino-gun-control
These guys are truly shameless.
Think Fast and Furious.
The numbers put up a red flag for me too. I read somewhere that in any action that the killed to wounded ratio is between 2 to1 or 3 to 1. So that means for 28 dead there should have been 50 wounded. Did he, God forbid execute the wounded? I guess he could have had time and opportunity. The one good thing I heard the police say was they immediately entered the school rather than I believe in Columbine they waited to assess the situation.
And just like that... he is an honor student raised by smart, loving, and caring parents.
“...the principal recognized the shooter as her son, and buzzed him in through a locked door.”
Hmmm... Since I heard he was wearing a mask, how did the principal recognize him? Also, it’s unfortunate she’s dead and can’t tell us what happened.
Since the MSM has trained me to always look for the dog that didn’t bark, to read what isn’t said better than what actually is said a la Pravda under the Soviet Union, I have to say that the father remaining nameless stands out. Some reports had him being killed. No name.