Does Objective truth exist? If so, why?

unknown | Jonathan Sarfati

[Zeneta]

I'd like to share this for those that are interested in seeking truth.

The issues run far and wide, however there seems a core to understanding that needs to be examined.

[Navy Patriot]

Very interesting.

It seems to me that atheist scientists research enough to find facts that seem to contradict the Biblical details of acts by a divine God, and then ease off on the research when it has validated their belief (or lack thereof).

Real scientists would continue the research and test for repeatable results or unforeseen variables.

Real scientists never stop testing their theories, even those that seem proved.

[expat1000]

This may or may not surprise you, but the encumbrances of language forbid us to entertain the vanity of knowing truth objectively.

I agree, but using language we can understand, if not know.

All this is that.

[Flycatcher]

It isn't.

The trap is language -- again! -- and how its constraints and limitations act as a barrier to the conveyance of truth.

Devil's Advocate: I'm also blind. The 49ers have red and gold uniforms. Please help me understand the objective truth of that color scheme.

[lurk]

Does 1 + 1 equal 2?

Then objective truth exists.

Try to live life apart from it and see how it works out.

[Zeneta]

I can’t quote a single passage from the bible, yet I know it to be true.

I have come to this from my 20 years of asking questions.

It is not what I want to believe, it is the logical conclusion.

[Zeneta]

Does your relativism know any bounds?

[Zeneta]

Skip the light fandango:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJIVz9nYx7I

[Flycatcher]

I agree, but using language we can understand, if not know.

I think you're on to something. Without language, of course, even basic communication from one to another is impossible. But the only thing standing in the way of pure understanding is language.

Ouch.

[Zeneta]

Without language, of course, even basic communication from one to another is impossible. But the only thing standing in the way of pure understanding is language.

words are great.

Your circular attempt at reason is another thing all together.

[Flycatcher]

Again, this may surprise you, but I'm a Christian.

I believe we're not born automatically into grace (objective truth). I believe we have to seek objective truth (grace) on our own (subjectively).

And then it's incumbent upon us to accept it.

That was my point. Sometimes I digress, cuz it's fun.

[Zeneta]

Fair enough.

I like to push the thoughts and beliefs of those I engage.

I’m an a**hole.

[dr_lew]

But the only thing standing in the way of pure understanding is language.

This is as much to say as Truth is necessarily subjective, that is "felt". Objective and Subjective are modes of knowing, and the preminence of science has elevated the former over the latter, but the Greek sophists argued that the subjective is primary, and the objective secondary, that is constructed ... communicated ... external. Our entire personal reality is in fact subjective.

[Flycatcher]

Lol.

Me too. And I've been called far worse than an a$&hole before.

Enjoyed your thread. All the best!

[Zeneta]

Our entire personal reality is in fact subjective

really ?

How do you know this ?

[Zeneta]

Our entire personal reality is in fact subjective

really ?

How do you know this ?

Do you know this objectively or subjectively ?

[Flycatcher]

Objective and Subjective are modes of knowing,

Well said.

[onedoug]

Without God there is no objective truth.

[onedoug]

Without God there is no objective truth.

[Zeneta]

Dear Fly,

You are on the right track, however I would advise you to establish definitions for the words you use.

At the end of the day you need to own something.

[Zeneta]

Without God there is no objective truth.

Can't be said enough.