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Sandy Hook: Gun control wouldn't have stopped it
The Washington Times ^ | December 16 | Henry D'Andrea

Posted on 12/16/2012 11:16:32 AM PST by conservativeforpalin

After 27 people were slaughtered at the Sandy Hook Elementary School, the liberal left ramped up their pro-gun control crusade, even blaming the atrocity on the lack of strict gun laws in America.

Liberals claim that if guns were outright illegal to own, six people wouldn’t have been killed at a Safeway in Tucson, Arizona last year, nor 12 people in Aurora, Colorado in July. What they fail to realize most is that criminals don’t follow laws they don't want to; that’s why they’re criminals in the first place.

The left asserts that there needs to be a "national discussion" about gun control. They argue that Congress and President Obama are afraid to stand up to the National Riffle Association (NRA). Liberals act as if a debate over stricter gun laws has never taken place before. It has. It's been ongoing, and the left continues to lose it. It revives old arguments as if they were new every time a tragic shooting occurs, pretending that no one has considered the possibility of gun control ever before.

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KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; democrats; guncontrol; gunfreezone; newtown; sandyhook; sandyhookgundefense; secondamendment; shooting

1 posted on 12/16/2012 11:16:41 AM PST by conservativeforpalin
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To: conservativeforpalin

If liberals didn’t exist, America would be a far better place.


2 posted on 12/16/2012 11:23:52 AM PST by maddog55 (America Rising.... Civil War II)
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To: conservativeforpalin; marktwain; Joe Brower

3 posted on 12/16/2012 11:32:53 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: conservativeforpalin

There will always be bad guys with guns.

Good guys need guns with which to defend themselves from bad guys.

Case closed.


4 posted on 12/16/2012 11:34:42 AM PST by basil (Second Amendment Sisters.org)
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To: conservativeforpalin

The title is misleading.
Sandy Hook: Gun control wouldn’t have stopped it

Sandy Hook: Gun control did not stopped it

How many laws did the kid break anyway?


5 posted on 12/16/2012 11:36:26 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: conservativeforpalin

The ONLY way that TOTAL gun control works is if you can confiscate ALL of the guns [doable] AND prevent future smuggling of guns. UNFORTUNATELY, there is NO WAY that you can prevent the smuggling of guns.

So, even with gun control, criminals and crazies are going to have them. And, from time to time, unarmed law-abiding people are going to get killed.

Therefore, the point is moot ...

The ONLY way to MINIMIZE the damage is to have ARMED security in place at all times. It WILL NOT prevent periodic killings, but it WILL discourage gun toters MOST of the time.

And, when someone does start shooting, there is security there to return fire. And, HOPEFULLY, take the shooter out quickly ...


6 posted on 12/16/2012 11:47:41 AM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: conservativeforpalin

Let’s review:

Guns have been prevelant in the U.S. for roughly 240 years.

Violent video games have been prevelant for about 20-25 years.

Mass killings of this type have been on the rise for 20-25 years........

Doesn’t take a reject from NASA to break that code.

Why is THIS not the point driven home at every opportunity?

Every time a crime is committed with a gun, liberals try to take them away from people who responsibly own and use them.

When drunk driving was such an epidemic 25 odd years ago, I don’t recall the liberal hordes demanding banning the automobile. We simply increased the penalties and enforced the laws.
RLTW


7 posted on 12/16/2012 11:59:43 AM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: conservativeforpalin

We need CRAZY PEOPLE control-not the control of inanimate objects for those who are not crazy.
P.C. has infected the American psyche so deeply that we no longer fund, or believe, in mental institutions. So the paranoid, schizophrenic and bi-polar have turned society into one big mental institution. Restraints are ‘inhuman’, so are padded rooms and lobotomys and anything that makes the mentally defective feel...defective. So in the name of ‘it’s all good’, and treat them normal and they will be normal, we have hideous events like this. Because people can’t,or refuse, to face the reality of their little darlings being mentally deranged and dangerous,they insist on inflicting them on normal society.
Locally, a 15 year old boy who had been in a mental hospital most of his life, jumped from a van that was transporting him to an appointment- into interstate traffic and was killed by a truck. A van- not a secure vehicle-a van driven by a woman with a female nurse; who he attacked and overwhelmed. Had there been ‘inhumane’ restraints on him or the vehicle doors, he wouldn’t be dead. But you can’t treat crazy people like they’re crazy, so their P.C. consideration got a nurse hurt and him dead.

Mental hospitals and institutions are being defunded and closed because it’s not nice to consider people defective in any way. Naive people are being paid to take patients from institutions into their homes to ‘normalize’ them. States are ‘saving’ money this way, and individuals and psychiatrists are being paid to integrate the mentally ill into towns and neighborhoods.
This mother- knowing her son had mental problems, shouldn’t have had firearms where he could get them. She paid the price for her denial , but so did all those innocent children and teachers.
All because society refuses to acknowledge the existence of dangerous mental illness and EVIL.
Her guns never killed anyone until her insane, EVIL, spawn used them.
I’m sick of this refusing to face reality so blame the inanimate object BS! Murder starts in the mind-in this case a diseased AND evil one, it ends in the hands of a human being. THINGS are incapable of independent action.


8 posted on 12/16/2012 12:00:52 PM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: military cop

Actually Mass killings are on the decline. The 2000’s have seen a 50 % decrease from the 90’s. Mass killings rose from the 60’s through the 90’s (where they peaked). It is simply the media and the agenda which make it seem as if we are facing an epidemic. We are not.

While every innocent life lost is a tragedy, the truth is we have about 12,000 gun deaths per year, 80 % of which are gang related (criminals breaking the law killing other criminals.) So the true number of gun deaths per year is really about 2400. Hardly an epidemic. Definitely not worth shredding the Bill of Rights and rendering a hundred million law abiding people defenseless.

Causes of Death in the USA

Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer’s disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909


9 posted on 12/16/2012 12:15:46 PM PST by 1malumprohibitum
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To: ClearBlueSky

Stop bombarding the libs with facts, it pops the bubble they live in.

You make a great point!


10 posted on 12/16/2012 12:17:09 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: maddog55

Libtards should be eradicated and I have preached this time and time again. Never hire a libtard, never have libtard friends.


11 posted on 12/16/2012 12:28:14 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: military cop

Good post. BTTT


12 posted on 12/16/2012 12:29:02 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: basil
There will always be bad guys with guns.

Or bombs or cars rammed into crowds or knives or whatever. Nothing will stop these guys unless it's a coordinated defense.

13 posted on 12/16/2012 12:29:02 PM PST by Kenny (<p)
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To: military cop

Don’t forget the violence in movies has increased dramatically in the past 20-25 years.


14 posted on 12/16/2012 12:36:35 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: conservativeforpalin

Governmental gun control would not have stopped it, but his mother who knew her son has mental issues could have prevented it, if she would have secured her weapons and not provided her deranged son access to her weapons.


15 posted on 12/16/2012 12:44:43 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: Travis McGee

I seem to recall that it wasn’t done with an actual gas can but rather one or two one gallon plastic milk bottles.


16 posted on 12/16/2012 1:05:18 PM PST by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: conservativeforpalin

The DNC makes most of its money through violence.

They will never address the violence in moveis, TV, games and music.


17 posted on 12/16/2012 3:04:47 PM PST by NoLibZone (If the left gave the money they make on violence, we could feed all the hungry and reduce the defict)
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To: txnativegop

Thank you! Following the logic of ‘blame the weapon’ I imagine we can anticipate the following:
Ban-knives of all kinds and all sharp objects such as pens, chopsticks, icepicks etc. They can be used to kill by stabbing.

Ban-All heavy blunt intruments-hammers,bricks,irons,bowling balls,weights-they can be used to kill by blunt force.

Ban-All household chemicals, anything that can kill by poisoning.

Ban- Cars-Millions die in accidents in them, are hit by them, or die when they are used in drive-by shootings.

Ban-Any possessions that can be stolen and sold to obtain any of the above deadly items.

Ban-Hands- the one common factor in all crimes involving guns and all other tools that can kill. Hands strangle, hands beat, hands hold under water to drown.

And when all of this is banned- remember, even with no hands or weapons( or clothes) bat-sh*t crazy people can bite your face off like the lunatic did the man in Florida this summer.
Ban teeth.

And you will still have crazy evil, handless, toothless people who will hate enough to push you, bodily, into traffic or off buildings.

Ban human evil. A world full of inanimate objects, like guns, will never rise up to kill anyone.


18 posted on 12/16/2012 4:51:26 PM PST by ClearBlueSky
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To: ClearBlueSky

Well said.


19 posted on 12/16/2012 4:56:19 PM PST by MWestMom ("And those that cried appease, appease were hung by those they tried to please" - Horace Mann)
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To: 1malumprohibitum

If obesity related deaths in America kills more people than firearms, I call for a waiting period every time you want a bucket of fried chicken from KFC.


20 posted on 12/17/2012 7:19:10 AM PST by Michmal1996
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To: Lmo56
The ONLY way that TOTAL gun control works is if you can confiscate ALL of the guns [doable]

I hope that statement was just a theoretical one. Criminals and thugs don't purchase their firearms with a permit. Hence the government has no idea who has what. Confiscation of guns would remove them from law abiding citizens only. Also, there are many people I know of who have guns that have been passed down from generation to generation that are not in a goverment database.

21 posted on 12/17/2012 7:37:47 AM PST by CodeJockey (Barack 0bamacide... Destroys economies on on contact!)
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To: Lmo56

Lol, add wood, iron, steel, powder meal, charcoal, and potassium/sodium nitrate (Other ways to make gunpowder too) to your list of banned items. All can be crafted; Best to know some people who can craft guns or learn and train your self.


22 posted on 12/17/2012 7:49:25 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians.)
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To: CodeJockey
The ONLY way that TOTAL gun control works is if you can confiscate ALL of the guns [doable]

I hope that statement was just a theoretical one. Criminals and thugs don't purchase their firearms with a permit. Hence the government has no idea who has what. Confiscation of guns would remove them from law abiding citizens only. Also, there are many people I know of who have guns that have been passed down from generation to generation that are not in a goverment database.

I was just saying that the government could probably seize all the guns in the US, although it would take time. HOWEVER, the government cannot prevent the smuggling of guns into the US. So, it would be like shovelling shit against the tide - no use. Criminals and crazies would still have guns, but law-abiding citizens would not [and would not be able to protect themselves].

Therefore, why even consider a total gun ban ...

Case in point:

The Sandy Hook Elementary School could be likened to a country where no one of legal age possessed guns - not teachers or staff.

Then, one day a crazy comes along who does have a gun. Result? A turkey shoot ...

23 posted on 12/17/2012 10:26:37 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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