Skip to comments.Just a thought about Connecticut
Posted on 12/17/2012 9:12:43 AM PST by pabianice
Like most of you, I have been thinking of the massacre in CT last week. When we were kids we also played violent games -- cowboys and Indians, Germans and Americans, etc. We "killed" each other all afternoon, went home, then came out the next day after school and battled on. Many hammer-dumb commentators have been braying that a cause of the CT shooting is the violence of video games. I think that's only half-correct. What these talking heads fail to take into account is that video games are free of feedback. When we oldies played cowboys and Indians, we got hurt. We fell. We got hit with sticks, rocks, dirt, thrown toy weapons. We got stuck-up with thorns and nettles and burrs. We got cold. We got thirsty. Our noses ran. Our hands got cut and raw. All this is missing from video games. There is no feedback from the most horrendous violence on your TV.
Could hurt-free video games be contributing to violence in public?
Yes, and recalling my own past, we sometimes lost it and started beating each other up. But then at the end of the day we apologized and made up.
As far as I was concerned, I only had so many good friends, and I didn’t want to lose them.
One part of controlling your temper is to lose it every so often, and then pay the penalty—and learn to control it better.
I like violent video games. Doom, Quake, Halo...
I have lots of guns and I’m pretty much a nut.
Got no interest whatsoever in blasting a bunch of innocent folks.
It’s something effed up in the PERSON who does such things.
Maybe a father figure who whips your ass once in a while
imparts something undefinable but infinitely important.
In the end, what Solzhenitsyn said about the destruction brought by Soviet Communism can be said of American relativism: “We have forgotten God. That is why all these things have happened.”
Video games, availability of guns, whatever. All these are not what caused the problem. What caused the problem is we have raised our children to believe there is no such thing as right or wrong and no God who demands righteousness from His creatures. We have accordingly created government policy that attempts to alleviate all consequences of sinful action, and that is the “feedback mechanism” that has been removed from our society: The consequences of sinful behavior.
We learned life by living life, even if it was an imaginary portayal of life, it was real to us by our hands-on participation ... not an insulated game.
Yes, of course that must be part of it. I remember getting hit with an iceball (in the face) as a kid and thinking: maybe this game isn’t for me. These real games may very well have been teaching me to be leery of violence.
The thought of installing electrodes in the video game controllers makes me LOL!
What the CT, AZ, CO and VA killers all had in common were that they were young males with emergent paranoid schizophrenia.
That is the commonality that most observers are ignoring.
In 1965, all four would likely have been institutionalized.
Nonsense. It’s what we are putting into our kids blood streams, not their eyeballs.
The only answer is that there is evil in this world, there has always been evil in this world, and will always be evil in this world....and there is nothing you can do about it.......and anyone who thinks they can do something about it, is most likely to make the “cure” even worse than the disease.
I don’t buy the video game argument. I’m a “gamer” and play such PC games as Battlefield 3, Medal of Honor, Borderlands, Duke Nukem, Assassin’s Creed, etc. I also play strategy games such as StarCraft, Tropico, Red Alert, etc. And finally, I play MMOs such as World of Warcraft, EVE Online, etc.
I’ve been a gamer for decades. I played Atari and Nintendo when they came out in the 80s. I’ve played D&D. I played cops and robbers, cowboys and indians, Americans and Russians when I was growing up. I’ve played with cap guns, water guns, slingshots, and paintball guns.
I also grew up in a single-parent home, but I was raised in the church. I was raised by a morally upright mother who regularly punished me and expected As and Bs in school. I wasn’t given anything for good grades, they were expected. Going to church on Saturday night/Sunday morning wasn’t debatable. Going to catechism class wasn’t debatable. Going to school wasn’t debatable.
These days, kids are left unsupervised in front of trash televisions with hundreds of channels, most of them peddling dreck. Kids are left unsupervised with wide-open wireless network connections and laptops or tablets to use as they see fit. Kids are left without parents, without God, without a moral or ethical compass. They are left to socialist public schools preaching reliance on government and not once given the opportunity to excel on their own. If they do so, they are smacked down and told that it’s not “fair” to the rest of the students.
When I was in 3rd grade, my mother was told that I was reading at a 6th grade level. My teachers asked if it was okay for me to be taught after school for advanced reading and composition. By the time I was in high school, I’d read Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn, Twain, Emerson, etc. It wasn’t considered “unfair.” As a matter of fact, my teachers were overjoyed by my interest in learning. They’d say they wished other students took education so seriously. Now, teachers are forced to teach to a federal curriculum that bores many students, because they teach to a lowest common denominator. They don’t challenge the dumb, they dumb down the intelligent.
That’s where I see this all went wrong. This “hyper-intelligent” kid wasn’t challenged. His idle mind was able to run free with delusions of grandeur. Instead of being challenged intellectually, he decided to challenge authority with force and died in the process.
In the case of Newtown, I blame the kids teachers. I blame the system. I blame a lack of morality. I blame a lack of God in the public square. Everything the liberals and progressives have pushed for the last 100 years has destroyed the moral, ethical, intellectual, and emotional fiber of this nation. Unfortunately, it would likely take twice as long to rebuild it.
These are random acts. I don’t know if such acts are indeed becoming more common vs. the past - perhaps only the media coverage is increasing.
Trying to “prevent” such random, and rare, occurrence, is like trying to prevent lightening.
Look at where we start with kids. Everything they see from the earliest age is a liberal manipulation of reality. They see it on Sesame Street. Then when they go to school, they’re told that the parents are ruthlessly destroying the planet and don’t care about the kids or their future. They’re told that thoughts of homosexuality are normal and not having those thoughts are abnormal. Society is creating a shield of fantasy around them and as they get older reality begins to intrude and they can’t cope.
I saw this with my liberal sister. When her son was 6 or 7 years old he told me that all the animals had to move to build a house for people. I pointed out that his house was no different than any others and my sister went ballistic because I told him the truth.
My point is that kids can’t distinguish between reality and fantasy because they don’t have a reality based frame of reference any more.
BTW my nephew is now 18 years old and my sister is having a tough time coping with the fact that he isn’t different from other 18 year old boys. She built the fantasy and she began to believe her fantasy and she can’t figure out what went wrong. Fortunately her son is coping a lot better than she is.
What age are you, roughly? I was late teens when the gory video games came out, and we all thought they were hilarious because they were so over the top. But I remember the strange fascination some very young children had with them (preteens) bothering me even then. I really don’t think there’s a need for kids under 18 to be playing first person shooter games. Maybe I’m an old fart, but it just seems there’s a vulnerability to influence at those ages. I mean, there’s a reason silhouette targets were created for training soldiers.
Great post. You’ve described the problem better than I could. Bottom line it’s about parenting, or the lack of it, and relinquishing control of your kids to leftists’ agenda via entertainment media and public education.
Started off with Doom 1 about 20 years ago.
We seldom, if ever, had enough kids to play nine on a team. So the catcher was almost always furnished by the batting team and he doubled as the umpire to call balls and strikes.
It worked pretty well because if he wasn't fair about it, we'd get our revenge the next inning.
I usually got to play the coveted position of pitcher. Not because I was necessarily better than the other kids, but because I had the sense to buy two or three baseballs when the local hardware store was marking prices down in November. If you owned the ball, you were the pitcher. However, if you were having a bad day, you'd cede the position to another boy and take your spot in the field.
I'm certain we got more at bats in an average day than a kid in modern adult supervised youth baseball gets in a whole season, including practices.
A christian church burned down in some shit hole in Africa by muslims where dozens of people are killed? Not really a big deal by today's media standards. Sure they don't usually have a TV or electricity but it's probably video games or antidepressants. How many Mexicans were murdered in the last week by drug gangs that this administration helped arm? Again it doesn't fit with the anti-America meme, but if push came to shove I bet it could be blamed on desensitization to violence by popular (American) culture. How many have been killed in Chicago in the last week with illegally obtained guns? We don't want to talk about that but again if forced we could use all of the above as excuses.
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I often think about my childhood, in relation to that of my own children and wish that things could be different. I regret that they can’t know the innocence of childhood like I did. It disappoints me, that to keep them safe, I have to keep them sheltered to some degree. Sure I let them go outside and play, but it’s much more limited than what I wish they could have. And I also keep my eye on the electronics they use and the games they play, that’s why LeapFrog is a huge product in my house, so they are learning as they play.
When I was growing up (70’s/80’s), we didn’t have many electronic toys to occupy our time, unless you want to include Pong... We didn’t have computers, or Ipods, or Ipads. We had to use our imagination and create our own play environment (if you will). We had to interact with each other, which is something I think is HUGH when it comes to what is happening in society with our kids today. I mean, what ever happened to Pac-Man, Frogger, DigDug, Tron?....I can’t even think of a truly “violent” game back then. But now, everything is so life like and real...even in 3D. And every where you go, you see kids with their noses, stuck in their little electronic gadget....tuning the world out, or texting when they are standing right next to each other, instead of talking.
I lived in a small town, up in the woods, so my playground was a forest. And we only got 2 channels on the TV, so going outside to play was the best thing ever. And I remember not ever being made to wear helmets, knee pads or protective gear when playing. If we got hurt, we got hurt. We put on a bandaid, scratched ourselves off, and went back to playing.
Even still, when I went to the city to play with my friends, we didn’t want to hang out inside, and when we went out outside (in the front yards) we played without fear of being picked up and/or taken by some psycho. Neighbors watched out for neighbors, and the parents watched out for other kids (not just their own).
But now, I refuse to let my kids out the front door, unless I am with them. And it really disturbs me when I see little children (obviously under 10, and especially under 5) riding their bikes or playing ALL ALONE, with no parent in sight. Because I know there are sick people out there....who could very easily come and take that kid and hurt that kid. I know people don’t look out for other people anymore. Parents aren’t willing to keep their eye out on the neighborhood kids anymore.
I think this has caused a lot of kids to resort to their electronic gadgets too. They get bored SO easily. Even when my kids go out and play in our backyard, they eventually would rather come in and get lost in their video games. And I think too many parents don’t bother with that. They let their kids just close themselves off and isolate themselves in their electronic world and don’t try to MAKE them interact like we used to. I can’t imagine getting my teen his own cell phone, let alone give one to a younger child, but I know people who have given smart phones to 6 and 10 year olds....WTF for? I just can’t imagine why a child needs a smart phone....let alone a cell phone.
But I digress, I just think if more kids were made to use their imagination and to interact with more people outside of electronics, than less isolation and less kids would need to get lost in their video games and virtual realities.
And here's our president, telling the world that Arafat, who did that and murdered countless other unarmed people, including Americans, was fit to bring into the White House and call him "friend".
Just thought I'd throw that out there.
Hee's a novel idea. BLAME THE A$$HOLE WHO DID IT. If he knoew the difference between right and wrong, then he know what he was doing was wrong. He did it anyway. Some people are just plain evil. Hopefully we kill or incarcerate them, but every now and then they win.
Some, perhaps. But not innocent folks.
She was assigned to check on (supposedly) autistic kids as an agency representative to lend family support and help them deal with the situation.
She told me the vast majority of the kids were borderline and would behave normally with a little more parental supervision which the majority of parents didn't make the time to give them.
Every kid without exception, however, had the latest Wii, X-Box or Play Station which was like giving borderline alcoholics the best booze available. In addition, they had multiple flat screen TVs in the house all blaring near full volume.
A few of the families were actually pleasantly surprised at a nearly immediate change in their child's behavior when they followed my daughter's advice to do simple things like play a board game, go to the park and throw a Frisbee or make them earn electronic time by completing homework assignments or simple household chores.
Most of them, however, were simply interested in going through the motions and pretending to listen to my daughter's advice so they could keep their government crazy checks coming.
We all carried little pen knives...to play mumbly peg.....and I’m talking kindergarten...and up. It was no big deal. We were very responsible kids and our parents knew what we were doing all the time.
I studied psychology in college, and your daughter’s assessments are correct.
Like always, I blame the feminist movement on a lot of our modern social issues. The feminists wanted women to work while many of them were content being homemakers. The feminists wanted women to be “equal” to men, so they were indoctrinated for decades to be more masculine.
Two-parent households are becoming increasingly rare. When they are together, they’re often discontent, too busy to tend to the house and the kids. They want kids, but they don’t want the responsibilities of tending to them.
Face it, just like with guns, there are millions of children in this country going through their daily motions, achieving, striving to be better, but there will ALWAYS be one somewhere who’s “just not right” and who’s lacking the love, the ethics, the moral compass necessary to be a functional human being in a civil society. It just takes that one person to go off the rails and take other parts of society down with him to make the public think it’s some sort of global “issue” that needs to be dealt with.
These days, kids are left unsupervised in front of trash televisions with hundreds of channels, most of them peddling dreck. Kids are left unsupervised with wide-open wireless network connections and laptops or tablets to use as they see fit. Kids are left without parents, without God, without a moral or ethical compass. They are left to socialist public schools preaching reliance on government and not once given the opportunity to excel on their own. If they do so, they are smacked down and told that its not fair to the rest of the students.
When I was in 3rd grade, my mother was told that I was reading at a 6th grade level. My teachers asked if it was okay for me to be taught after school for advanced reading and composition. By the time I was in high school, Id read Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn, Twain, Emerson, etc. It wasnt considered unfair. As a matter of fact, my teachers were overjoyed by my interest in learning. Theyd say they wished other students took education so seriously. Now, teachers are forced to teach to a federal curriculum that bores many students, because they teach to a lowest common denominator. They dont challenge the dumb, they dumb down the intelligent.
Raised by single mom/no father/abandonment issues.
No friends/no peers/no one to hold him accountable.
Possible autism/mental illness/medication/etc.
No "real world" experience, no job, no future, just an isolated existance doing God-knows-what in a huge house, enabled by and dominated by mom.
No spiritual grounding. If this "family" ever went to a church I haven't heard it.
It all adds up to someone who had lost his grip on reality. Of course there are plenty of people who face similar or worse environments and don't murder schoolkids. What's the critical factor? I don't know.
There was a link to a story on Drudge earlier (I think it was Drudge) from the AP indicating that statistically, mass murders are down of late compared to history.
I agree with you.
The teachers in our schools routinely mock the morality of religious parents leaving these kids to feel that whatever they want to do is A-ok. There are no filters or brakes to their behaviors. You see it everywhere from casual lying and cheating to these extremes of violence. We never had these incidences because even the most jaded amonst us had limits.
Now we have raised savagery to a level of acceptance then act surprised and shocked when some poor kid excercises what he learned... and didn’t learn.
This is the problem not guns.
Nobody ever got hurt, and none of us would ever have imagined shooting each other or anyone else. I can't claim we were exactly responsible, but we all had a good idea of how dangerous our "toys" were and practiced as much safety as 14-year-olds are capable of mustering when there are no adults about.
Personally, I feel this was just an isolated incident of a divorced female living alone with a nutty kid — a kid she probably did not have time for, did not pay enough attention to, a kid she just didn’t have a clue as to how to handle, or how to get through to ....he was a freaky kid, alone, isolated, no Dad coming over to get him out of his room and away from his gaming. Just easier on the parents to “let him be,” or leave him to his own devices.
She then amassed these guns, but likely just was entirely careless about keeping them out of his hands. Period. Nothing else. She paid the price, but so did 20+ families.
I think a return to good old fashioned marriage and proper parenting would have COMPLETELY cured this ...but we don’t have that going on here. We had a dysfunctional home. We had an overburdened parent. On top of it all, we had a mentally deficient kid who got into their guns.
How are we to go into the homes of everyone in this country and root out this type of dysfunction to make our society whole and safe again? It’s IMPOSSIBLE. It’s NTOHING that we can likely EVER predict or control.
Yes, video games and social media contribute to the dehumanization of mankind. So do violent movies and smash mouth leftist players.
If we are going to have “sin taxes” on ciggs., we need high sin taxes on the entertainment media’s products promoting violence. Videos, gangsta rap music, movies, etc. That is not messing with the first amendment (banning the speech as liberals want to do to anyone who disagrees with them or Islam), but messing with the profits of the extreme anti-social players in entertainment. Left wing activist.
Porn produces perverts, too. Entertainment whoredom should be taxed out of kingdom come.
Doom 1 was exactly where I started as well. And I always had guns available, yet never once thought of going out and murdering people. But now look at something like Doom 3 or the more modern games with even better graphics where you’re shooting realistic looking humans; they crumple and die as realistically as the animators are able to make it. I worry about children virtually acting that out thousands of times. If paper silhouettes could be used to successfully break down adult inhibitions toward shooting humans, what might these games be doing to kids in their formative years, especially those who already have some mental issue like all these shooters seem to have had? People in our generation were really too old to be seriously affected, but kids who have had access to this stuff since early childhood? Parents have to start acting like parents again.
"Dead eye" syndrome ....
We still have not heard what prescription drugs this evil young man had in his system.
I thought you were a retired, grumpy, old fart!! hehe
It ain’t the years, it’s the mileage. ;-)
Ain't that the truth!!
Excuse? No. Preventable? Not in a free society. And there's the rub.
Another piece of this puzzle that keeps jumping out at me is the way we think of the shoter as a "kid." He wasn't a kid, he was an adult man. This is symptomatic of a larger problem-the infantilization of American youth. Today many people consider twenty-year-old adults to be "kids." 50 years ago a 16-year-old was considered old enough for most responsibilities. 75 years ago the age was around 13 and the term "teenager" hadn't yet been coined. A healthy 20-year-old guy doing nothing and living on his parent's dime would have been unthinkable. But today the so-called "Millennials" aren't expected to grow up.
Two out of three ain't bad. ;)
I loved playing Army. There were GI’s, Krauts and Japs.
One of our contrived weapons of the day (which Chris Wallace would characterize as a WMD as he did yesterday with semi-automatic weapons) was a 2-3 foot length of a 2X4 with two nails at the top that held a narrow strip of innertube rubber. Made a great slingshot for crabapples.
Those were the days.
This is the problem not guns.”
One of Adam Lanza’s drug according to the uncle:
It works by changing the effects of chemicals in the brain just like the other SSRI’s you have listed.
Thank you for the information. Spread the truth.
Here’s an alternate theory. A single, divorced mom that would not accept that the son had a REALLY serious mental disease. She thought with constant attention, extra work and discipline that she could “fix” the problem.
Dad finally had enough, son didn’t present well in his circle of executive friends and he decided to split, remarry and have another family.
Mom now has sons, one leaves as soon as he is old enough, and there is Adam who is rapidly approaching adulthood and fading away from her. Adam is put on an anti-psychotic to treat his ever increasing schizoid personality and things really go down from there.
Adam wants to borrow mom’s firearms. No way is she going to let that happen. So, he takes brother’s ID and tries to buy one himself. Didn’t work out well; but, he is determined (obsessed). To get to the guns, he has to go through mom.
Adam is pretty smart guy. He does live in the house and knows where everything is located like the keys (or combination) to the safe that holds the firearms. But, he still has to go through mom. So, he just conveniently kills her. Shoots her in the face (which is interesting). Problem resolved, no big deal and then moves on.
Obviously, I don’t know that any of this is completely accurate. Adam Lanzer was so ill that he had blunt affect and was incapable of feeling physical pain. Once he hit puberty and approached adulthood he started the slow decline into wherever these individuals go. He wasn’t part of the fabric of life or the world. Mom did admit she was “losing” him.
The big question here is..what triggered the episode of violence. Why did he cross that line?
Yes, your theory sounds about right. No one else’s “fault” but the kid’s fault. That’s what no one wants to admit.
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