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Just a thought about Connecticut
Vanity | 12/17/12

Posted on 12/17/2012 9:12:43 AM PST by pabianice

Like most of you, I have been thinking of the massacre in CT last week. When we were kids we also played violent games -- cowboys and Indians, Germans and Americans, etc. We "killed" each other all afternoon, went home, then came out the next day after school and battled on. Many hammer-dumb commentators have been braying that a cause of the CT shooting is the violence of video games. I think that's only half-correct. What these talking heads fail to take into account is that video games are free of feedback. When we oldies played cowboys and Indians, we got hurt. We fell. We got hit with sticks, rocks, dirt, thrown toy weapons. We got stuck-up with thorns and nettles and burrs. We got cold. We got thirsty. Our noses ran. Our hands got cut and raw. All this is missing from video games. There is no feedback from the most horrendous violence on your TV.

Could hurt-free video games be contributing to violence in public?

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To: pabianice
Yasser Arafat, head of the PLO, was responsible for the Maalot High School Massacre on May 15, 1974, when Palestinian terrorists infiltrated an Israeli school, massacring twenty-six children and adults and wounding sixty-six others.

And here's our president, telling the world that Arafat, who did that and murdered countless other unarmed people, including Americans, was fit to bring into the White House and call him "friend".

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

21 posted on 12/17/2012 9:53:48 AM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: rarestia
In the case of Newtown, I blame the kids teachers. I blame the system. I blame a lack of morality, etc.

Hee's a novel idea. BLAME THE A$$HOLE WHO DID IT. If he knoew the difference between right and wrong, then he know what he was doing was wrong. He did it anyway. Some people are just plain evil. Hopefully we kill or incarcerate them, but every now and then they win.

22 posted on 12/17/2012 9:57:34 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Ratman83
we know you want to blast the blog pimps!

Some, perhaps. But not innocent folks.

23 posted on 12/17/2012 9:58:05 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: rarestia
FWIW, my daughter graduated with a degree in social work last year. I helped her drive home after graduation where she had a couple of interviews lined up, one of which resulted in a job offer the Monday after the interview.

She was assigned to check on (supposedly) autistic kids as an agency representative to lend family support and help them deal with the situation.

She told me the vast majority of the kids were borderline and would behave normally with a little more parental supervision which the majority of parents didn't make the time to give them.

Every kid without exception, however, had the latest Wii, X-Box or Play Station which was like giving borderline alcoholics the best booze available. In addition, they had multiple flat screen TVs in the house all blaring near full volume.

A few of the families were actually pleasantly surprised at a nearly immediate change in their child's behavior when they followed my daughter's advice to do simple things like play a board game, go to the park and throw a Frisbee or make them earn electronic time by completing homework assignments or simple household chores.

Most of them, however, were simply interested in going through the motions and pretending to listen to my daughter's advice so they could keep their government crazy checks coming.

24 posted on 12/17/2012 10:01:12 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: pabianice

We all carried little pen play mumbly peg.....and I’m talking kindergarten...and up. It was no big deal. We were very responsible kids and our parents knew what we were doing all the time.

25 posted on 12/17/2012 10:03:30 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: humblegunner


26 posted on 12/17/2012 10:11:31 AM PST by Ratman83
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To: Vigilanteman

I studied psychology in college, and your daughter’s assessments are correct.

Like always, I blame the feminist movement on a lot of our modern social issues. The feminists wanted women to work while many of them were content being homemakers. The feminists wanted women to be “equal” to men, so they were indoctrinated for decades to be more masculine.

Two-parent households are becoming increasingly rare. When they are together, they’re often discontent, too busy to tend to the house and the kids. They want kids, but they don’t want the responsibilities of tending to them.

Face it, just like with guns, there are millions of children in this country going through their daily motions, achieving, striving to be better, but there will ALWAYS be one somewhere who’s “just not right” and who’s lacking the love, the ethics, the moral compass necessary to be a functional human being in a civil society. It just takes that one person to go off the rails and take other parts of society down with him to make the public think it’s some sort of global “issue” that needs to be dealt with.

27 posted on 12/17/2012 10:12:47 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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These days, kids are left unsupervised in front of trash televisions with hundreds of channels, most of them peddling dreck. Kids are left unsupervised with wide-open wireless network connections and laptops or tablets to use as they see fit. Kids are left without parents, without God, without a moral or ethical compass. They are left to socialist public schools preaching reliance on government and not once given the opportunity to excel on their own. If they do so, they are smacked down and told that it’s not “fair” to the rest of the students.

When I was in 3rd grade, my mother was told that I was reading at a 6th grade level. My teachers asked if it was okay for me to be taught after school for advanced reading and composition. By the time I was in high school, I’d read Tolstoy, Solzhenitsyn, Twain, Emerson, etc. It wasn’t considered “unfair.” As a matter of fact, my teachers were overjoyed by my interest in learning. They’d say they wished other students took education so seriously. Now, teachers are forced to teach to a federal curriculum that bores many students, because they teach to a lowest common denominator. They don’t challenge the dumb, they dumb down the intelligent.

28 posted on 12/17/2012 10:13:21 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: pabianice
I can't deny that the problem has roots in the changing culture, but what factors are most significant? Who knows? Just from what I've heard, Lanza had multiple deleterious influences:

Raised by single mom/no father/abandonment issues.

No friends/no peers/no one to hold him accountable.

Possible autism/mental illness/medication/etc.

No "real world" experience, no job, no future, just an isolated existance doing God-knows-what in a huge house, enabled by and dominated by mom.

No spiritual grounding. If this "family" ever went to a church I haven't heard it.

It all adds up to someone who had lost his grip on reality. Of course there are plenty of people who face similar or worse environments and don't murder schoolkids. What's the critical factor? I don't know.

29 posted on 12/17/2012 10:13:51 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: PGR88
These are random acts. I don’t know if such acts are indeed becoming more common vs. the past - perhaps only the media coverage is increasing.

There was a link to a story on Drudge earlier (I think it was Drudge) from the AP indicating that statistically, mass murders are down of late compared to history.

30 posted on 12/17/2012 10:22:49 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: rarestia

I agree with you.

The teachers in our schools routinely mock the morality of religious parents leaving these kids to feel that whatever they want to do is A-ok. There are no filters or brakes to their behaviors. You see it everywhere from casual lying and cheating to these extremes of violence. We never had these incidences because even the most jaded amonst us had limits.

Now we have raised savagery to a level of acceptance then act surprised and shocked when some poor kid excercises what he learned... and didn’t learn.

31 posted on 12/17/2012 10:23:27 AM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
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To: pabianice

Paroxetine (Paxil)

Fluoxetine (Sarafem)

Sertraline (Zoloft)

Citalopram (Celexa)

Escitalopram (Lexapro)

This is the problem not guns.

32 posted on 12/17/2012 10:26:41 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: Sacajaweau; pabianice
We carried little knives... We played war with real guns. The imaginary krauts that had a machine-gun nest in the old quarry hole provoked many a "mad minute". You can still find handfuls of .22 cases strewn about back there.

Nobody ever got hurt, and none of us would ever have imagined shooting each other or anyone else. I can't claim we were exactly responsible, but we all had a good idea of how dangerous our "toys" were and practiced as much safety as 14-year-olds are capable of mustering when there are no adults about.

33 posted on 12/17/2012 10:26:55 AM PST by jboot (This isn't your father's America. Stay safe and keep your powder dry.)
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To: jboot

Personally, I feel this was just an isolated incident of a divorced female living alone with a nutty kid — a kid she probably did not have time for, did not pay enough attention to, a kid she just didn’t have a clue as to how to handle, or how to get through to ....he was a freaky kid, alone, isolated, no Dad coming over to get him out of his room and away from his gaming. Just easier on the parents to “let him be,” or leave him to his own devices.

She then amassed these guns, but likely just was entirely careless about keeping them out of his hands. Period. Nothing else. She paid the price, but so did 20+ families.

I think a return to good old fashioned marriage and proper parenting would have COMPLETELY cured this ...but we don’t have that going on here. We had a dysfunctional home. We had an overburdened parent. On top of it all, we had a mentally deficient kid who got into their guns.

How are we to go into the homes of everyone in this country and root out this type of dysfunction to make our society whole and safe again? It’s IMPOSSIBLE. It’s NTOHING that we can likely EVER predict or control.

34 posted on 12/17/2012 10:40:29 AM PST by LibsRJerks
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To: pabianice

Yes, video games and social media contribute to the dehumanization of mankind. So do violent movies and smash mouth leftist players.

If we are going to have “sin taxes” on ciggs., we need high sin taxes on the entertainment media’s products promoting violence. Videos, gangsta rap music, movies, etc. That is not messing with the first amendment (banning the speech as liberals want to do to anyone who disagrees with them or Islam), but messing with the profits of the extreme anti-social players in entertainment. Left wing activist.

Porn produces perverts, too. Entertainment whoredom should be taxed out of kingdom come.

35 posted on 12/17/2012 11:02:30 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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36 posted on 12/17/2012 11:04:33 AM PST by MtnMan101
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To: humblegunner

Doom 1 was exactly where I started as well. And I always had guns available, yet never once thought of going out and murdering people. But now look at something like Doom 3 or the more modern games with even better graphics where you’re shooting realistic looking humans; they crumple and die as realistically as the animators are able to make it. I worry about children virtually acting that out thousands of times. If paper silhouettes could be used to successfully break down adult inhibitions toward shooting humans, what might these games be doing to kids in their formative years, especially those who already have some mental issue like all these shooters seem to have had? People in our generation were really too old to be seriously affected, but kids who have had access to this stuff since early childhood? Parents have to start acting like parents again.

37 posted on 12/17/2012 11:10:27 AM PST by Trod Upon (Civilian disarmament is the precursor to democide.)
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To: DManA; Ken522
Nonsense. It’s what we are putting into our kids blood streams, not their eyeballs.

and what is put in their blood streams, is revealed in their eyes.

"Dead eye" syndrome ....

38 posted on 12/17/2012 11:17:00 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: pabianice
I bet you didn't get all kinds of mind-altering drugs to get your mind right & stop your anti-social behavior.

We still have not heard what prescription drugs this evil young man had in his system.

39 posted on 12/17/2012 11:53:08 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: humblegunner

I thought you were a retired, grumpy, old fart!! hehe

40 posted on 12/17/2012 11:55:34 AM PST by TexasCajun
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