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How many of these Democrats did the NRA give money to and get re-elected?
12/17/12 | Armybratproud

Posted on 12/17/2012 12:38:59 PM PST by ArmyBratproud

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To: RC one
We are the National Rifle Association, not the National Republican Association. ... It's useful to have influence with both parties and this may be the only thing that actually preserves our RKBA after all of this.

Very well said....Bravo!

51 posted on 12/17/2012 2:18:39 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: RC one

I was thinking the same thing. Notice how many of their members have CCW permits.


52 posted on 12/17/2012 2:19:32 PM PST by Paisan
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To: ArrogantBustard

look at our results. We have been hugely successful in advancing the second amendment issue for firearms owners of all stripes. It is UNDENIABLE. I can’t think of a more successful lobbying group in fact-the AARP maybe. No, after watching the pitiful political game Republicans played in the 2012 elections, I’ll never question the NRA’s strategy.


53 posted on 12/17/2012 2:27:00 PM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Manchin tried to finesse the issue, pretending that signing some pro gun legislation that the Legislature shoved down his throat made him some sort of pro-gun conservative

Well at least you do admit that Manchin DID sign the pro gun legislation................

Do I need to re-ask my question or are you still trying to find something more definitive as to any actions by him in his past that he was not pro gun?

54 posted on 12/17/2012 2:29:13 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: RC one
look at our results

Yep.

You endorsed Joe Manchin, who wants to ban "assault weapons".

He got elected.

Congratulations! You own it!

We'll see how that works out for you when push comes to shove ...

I’ll never question the NRA’s strategy.

That's nice.

55 posted on 12/17/2012 2:30:47 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hot Tabasco
So ... does your A+ rating, and your endorsement, extend to the 2012 Democratic National Platform ... which Your Hero Joe supports?

Hmmm?

56 posted on 12/17/2012 2:32:27 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: cotton1706

“The NRA got Harry Reid re-elected.”

They have been supporting him for years. He has already made some veiled comments about gun control.


57 posted on 12/17/2012 2:34:34 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: cotton1706

I quit the NRA when I learned they gave money to Dems.

When push comes to shove, the same Dems who happily took their money will throw the NRA down the stairs—Guaranteed.


58 posted on 12/17/2012 2:37:00 PM PST by Arm_Bears (The MSM lies about conservatives; and it lies about liberals.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
Hmmm?

Joe is no hero of mine and I never heard of him till you brought him up.

But I digress, why don't you answer my questions rather than divert the conversation?

59 posted on 12/17/2012 2:39:37 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: ArrogantBustard

ya know, I’m not even gonna talk to you about the US Senate which should be firmly under Republican control (with or without Joe Manchin) right now. We work with the clay we have, not the clay we want.


60 posted on 12/17/2012 2:46:34 PM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

From Harry Reid’s web site

Statement of Reid campaign manager Brandon Hall on NRA endorsement in Nevada US Senate race

“The NRA’s relationship with Sen. Reid has been long-standing and productive and – unlike for Sharron Angle – they’ve put their money where their mouth in this cycle. Along with their financial support, the declaration of NRA head Wayne LaPierre that Sen. Reid is ‘a true champion of the Second Amendment’ and that ‘no one has been a stronger advocate for responsible gun ownership than him’ shows beyond a doubt that the NRA believes Sen. Reid to be a strong advocate for Nevadans’ Second Amendment rights in the US Senate.”

http://www.harryreid.com/ee/index.php/news/release/statement_of_reid_campaign_manager_brandon_hall_on_nra_endorsement_in_

Harry Reid statement today

Former NRA Endorsee Harry Reid Hints at Gun Control

“Every idea must be on the table” with respect to preventing another tragedy like the one that killed 20 children and seven adults, the Nevada Democrat suggested... “We need to accept the reality that we are not doing enough to protect our citizens.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/12/17/former_nra_endorsee_harry_reid_hints_at_gun_control.html


61 posted on 12/17/2012 2:50:40 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Joe is no hero of mine and I never heard of him till you brought him up.

So ... you have no reason to defend the NRA's rather poorly reasoned decision to endorse him. He simply DID NOT deserve an A+ rating, DID NOT deserve a glowing endorsement, and John Raese DID NOT deserve to be ignored.

An "A" rating for both candidates, and a "no endorsement: they both look good" would have been a better, wiser, more honest decision by the NRA.

IMO, the NRA saw an opportunity for a cheap "win", by falling all over and kissing the arse of a 'Rat politician who was rather likely to win anyway. Problem is, by doing so they tarnished their name, tarnished their endorsements, offended pro-gun folks in WV ... and gained nothing.

62 posted on 12/17/2012 2:50:42 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: RC one
I’m not even gonna talk to you about the US Senate

That's probably a good idea ... until you can admit that endorsing "Assault Weapons Ban" democRats is a bad idea, you really have nothing to say.

63 posted on 12/17/2012 2:52:29 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

Page not found
We’re sorry but the page you are looking for cannot be found.


64 posted on 12/17/2012 2:53:35 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

So what happened to the page?


65 posted on 12/17/2012 2:54:37 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“So what happened to the page?”

Well, that is pretty weird. If you notice in the statement, they don’t say they received the endorsement, just financial support.

I don’t know why the link isn’t working. Found it through yahoo search...tried to repost it..just doesn’t want to work.


66 posted on 12/17/2012 3:01:03 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Manchin would have been elected with or without the NRA’s endorsement. Raese never had a prayer in W.V.-not against Byrd, not against Manchin, not against Rockefeller, and not against Moore. The NRA’s endorsement, however, ties to Manchin a pro-gun constituency that he must consider. backing an inevitable loser gets you nothing. backing an inevitable winner gets you something at least. it made perfect sense.


67 posted on 12/17/2012 3:10:53 PM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty; ArrogantBustard
Statement of Reid campaign manager Brandon Hall on NRA endorsement in Nevada US Senate race

See my prior post to the ArmyBrat. This statement was created prior to the NRA withdrawing its support of Reid back in August, 2010...........

68 posted on 12/17/2012 3:12:57 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Take a look at this. Scroll to bottom of page..

http://www.harryreid.com/index.php/news/P140/

It is the last news article. That was one nasty campaign.


69 posted on 12/17/2012 3:16:52 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Randy Larsen

Just curious, do you support any gun group?


70 posted on 12/17/2012 3:21:08 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: Hot Tabasco

“This statement was created prior to the NRA withdrawing its support of Reid back in August, 2010...........”

Well, going through all those news releases is like walking through a mine field. The Reid Campaign was vicious.

Like I said, that release doesn’t say that the NRA endorsed him. But, it clearly states financial support and a long running relationship of support.

I bet this statement will evaporate soon. I thought it already had disappeared.


71 posted on 12/17/2012 3:21:21 PM PST by BlessingsofLiberty (Remember Brian Terry...)
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To: Sans-Culotte

And who do you support?


72 posted on 12/17/2012 3:25:53 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: MileHi

And what gun support group did you join?


73 posted on 12/17/2012 3:28:04 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: SENTINEL

No they won’t .
They didn’t back down on the fist AWB . The NRA, like the Republicans, know if they go along with the knee-jerk reactions for more gun control, it will be the end of them .

If anything , it’s time to give the NRA more money because they have some huge battles ahead . It would also be wise to call or write to our incoming members of the new congress to make our voice heard .


74 posted on 12/17/2012 3:28:52 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist ( Focus 2014 - Hold the House - Retake the Senate ! Join the NRA !)
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To: GreatMan

Yep, Gun Owners Of America.

Plus I send $ to CONSERVATIVE politicians who support the 2nd amendment.


75 posted on 12/17/2012 3:30:13 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: RC one

Thank You!


76 posted on 12/17/2012 3:30:18 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: SENTINEL

I agree, are you a member?


77 posted on 12/17/2012 3:37:56 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: ArmyBratproud

Quit bashing the NRA , they are not hiding . They are being media savvy and are being respectful in this emotional time . They are letting the dust settle and emotions calm .

They are also gearing up for what will be the greatest assault on the Second Amendment ever .

It’s time to join the NRA or give them more money if already a member , they will need it .
It’s also time to call or write our existing or newly incoming Senators and Reps and let our voices be heard .


78 posted on 12/17/2012 3:38:01 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist ( Focus 2014 - Hold the House - Retake the Senate ! Join the NRA !)
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To: Arm_Bears

So now which gun group do you support?


79 posted on 12/17/2012 3:44:52 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: Randy Larsen

Good, I think the GOA is more active as I have sent more faxes to my elected representatives through them than the NRA.


80 posted on 12/17/2012 4:05:05 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: SENTINEL

How many votes does single director of the NRA have?


81 posted on 12/17/2012 4:08:50 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: GreatMan

I’m working on paying off my life membership.


82 posted on 12/17/2012 4:09:13 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: cotton1706
democrats are always anti-gun.

Please, at least make a lame attempt to mask your ignorance.

“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms…. The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible.”

Hubert H. Humphrey

83 posted on 12/17/2012 4:22:43 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: GreatMan
So now which gun group do you support?

All of them.

84 posted on 12/17/2012 4:24:50 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Great! If all gun owners belonged to some gun group you wouldn’t hear a peep out of one elected scumbag!


85 posted on 12/17/2012 4:56:37 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: GreatMan
If all gun owners belonged to some gun group you wouldn’t hear a peep out of one elected scumbag!

Obviously the majority aren't that interested in preserving the 2nd Amendment.

86 posted on 12/17/2012 5:11:39 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Arm_Bears

I quit the NRA when I learned that Grover Norquist, (Married to a muslim, founder of the islamic institute, policy maker, agenda setter, lobbiyst and overall heavy hitter for the American soil based muslim terrorist front group, C.A.I.R. was an NRA board member!!!! The NRA knew full well of his anti-American dealings. They did not care. (I was informed by the NRA, at the time when I quit, of this thought of their’s. Direct NRA rep’s quote: “Sir the NRA does not care what it’s board members do on their own time”. End quote.) Nice huh?


87 posted on 12/17/2012 5:12:30 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: SENTINEL
Posted on August 15, 2007

Concerns have been raised in response to statements made by NRA Board Member Joaquin Jackson to Texas Monthly in 2005. We have received inquiries seeking clarity as to NRA’s positions on the subject matter discussed in Mr. Jackson’s interview. To be clear, NRA supports the right of all law-abiding citizens to Keep and Bear Arms for all lawful purposes. We will continue, as we have in the past, to vehemently oppose any efforts to limit gun ownership by law-abiding citizens as an unconstitutional infringement on our Second Amendment freedoms. These efforts include opposition to any attempts to ban firearms, including firearms incorrectly referred to as "assault weapons", and any attempts to place arbitrary limits on magazine capacity.

For more information on NRA's legislative efforts to protect and defend the Second Amendment, please visit www.NRAILA.org and www.Clintongunban.com.

STATEMENT OF JOAQUIN JACKSON

Some misunderstandings have arisen about a news interview I participated in 5 few years ago. After watching a tape of that interview, I understand the sincere concerns of many people, including dear friends of mine. And I am pleased and eager to clear up any confusion about my long held belief in the sanctity of the Second Amendment.

In the interview, when asked about my views of “assault weapons,” I was talking about true assault weapons – fully automatic firearms. I was not speaking, in any way, about semiautomatic rifles. While the media may not understand this critical distinction, I take it very seriously. But, as a result, I understand how some people may mistakenly take my comments to mean that I support a ban on civilian ownership of semiautomatic firearms. Nothing could be further from the truth. And, unfortunately, the interview was cut short before I could fully explain my thoughts and beliefs.

In fact, I am a proud owner of such rifles, as are millions of law-abiding Americans. And many Americans also enjoy owning fully automatic firearms, after being cleared by a background check and meeting the rigorous regulations to own such firearms. And these millions of lawful gun owners have every right – and a Second Amendment right – to own them.

As a hunter, I take great pride in my marksmanship. Every hunter should practice to be skilled to take prey with a single shot, if possible. That represents ethical, humane, skilled hunting. In the interview several years ago, I spoke about this aspect of hunting and my belief that no hunter should take the field and rely upon high capacity magazines to take their prey.

But that comment should never be mistaken as support for the outright banning of any ammunition magazines. In fact, such bans have been pursued over the years by state legislatures and the United States Congress and these magazine bans have always proven to be abject failures.

Let me be very clear. As a retired Texas Ranger, during 36 years of law enforcement service, I was sworn to uphold the United States Constitution. As a longtime hunter and shooter, an NRA Board Member, and as an American – I believe the Second Amendment is a sacred right of all law-abiding Americans and, as I stated in the interview in question, I believe it is the Second Amendment that ensures all of our other rights handed down by our Founding Fathers.

I have actively opposed gun bans and ammunition and magazine bans in the past, and I will continue to actively oppose such anti-gun schemes in the future.

I appreciate my friends who have brought this misunderstanding to light, for it has provided me an opportunity to alleviate any doubts about my strong support for the NRA and our Second Amendment freedom.

88 posted on 12/17/2012 5:19:50 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: bobby.223

NRA board members are elected, not appointed. What did you do specifically to see to it that Norquist wasn’t elected? What did you do to have him recalled?


89 posted on 12/17/2012 5:24:53 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

You had to go back to the last relatively decent democrat to make a point?? I didn’t say democrats HAVE ALWAYS BEEN anti-gun. I said democrats ARE always anti-gun.

The Humphrey-style democrats are gone. Look at Joe Manchin. He was trailing in the polls, fired a gun in a commercial and won his election. Now he’s mouthing gun-control crap.

Name one democrat in the senate today (who is not up for re-election in 2014) who will vote against gun-control legislation.


90 posted on 12/17/2012 5:33:13 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706
You had to go back to the last relatively decent democrat to make a point??

No, just one of the most well known.

I said democrats ARE always anti-gun.

You are wrong. Bacus, Tester, Begich, Udall, Bennett, Bayh, Landrieu, Burr, Hagen to name a few.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00072

91 posted on 12/17/2012 5:55:18 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Nice try sonny! I know he was elected and not appointed. Why should any member HAVE to do anything regarding a recall? He should have never been considered at all! Explain this: Just why was the muslim lover Norquist ever even allowed near the NRA, let alone be allowed to serve on the board, in the FIRST place?! Are they that stupid? No, they are not stupid....they do not CARE, just as an NRA rep. explained to me directly. Do you support the NRA knowing the muslim terrorist front group, C.A.I.R., had one of their main players as an NRA board member??! You might be to young to remember when the NRA were one of America’s finest organizations, of any kind. Well, I’m not and the NRA is obviously no longer the group it was in long years gone past....not when they would allow a full blown anti-American subversive like Norquist to even get in the front door of their headquarters let alone sit on the board.


92 posted on 12/17/2012 6:21:51 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: RC one

The NRA is full of cowardly weasels. It needs to be destroyed and replaced with a real pro 2nd Amendment organization.

How’s that Dingy Harry endorsement working out for you now?

K Street scumbags all of them....


93 posted on 12/17/2012 6:29:25 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: rockrr
The NRA chose the single-issue attitude to politics over objections by its membership.

The NRA is and always has been a sinlge-issue organization. As an institution, they don't care about taxes, Obamacare or abortion. Their only concern is defending the right to keep and bear arms and they'll support the candidate with the best record of doing so regardless of their political party or where they stand on other issues.

94 posted on 12/17/2012 6:33:18 PM PST by Drew68
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To: Alaska Wolf

Burr is a republican, but perhaps you meant someone else. When push comes to shove, unless they’re up for re-election, they will vote with the left for gun control or an assault weapons ban. Or they’ll be sneaky and vote to allow cloture, then vote against the bill when they know it has the votes for passage. But there aren’t as many moderate republicans who can give the democrats cover anymore.


95 posted on 12/17/2012 6:36:46 PM PST by cotton1706
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To: Lurker

Better than your endorsements of Todd Akin and Richard Mourdock and Sharron angle for that matter. If y’all would start picking some winners yourselves, we might not be in this situation at all.


96 posted on 12/17/2012 6:42:38 PM PST by RC one (FU liberals.)
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To: RC one

Logic like that is the reason I quit the NRA a decade ago. You people are worse than useless. You are complicit.

Your Board is infested with cowards. If the lot of them dropped their trousers at once you couldn’t put a single functioning set of testicles together.

No help for Heller.
No help for McDonald.

But loads of fundraising letters. Yep, lots of those.

Ball-less, gut-less, spine-less K street scumbags...


97 posted on 12/17/2012 6:51:53 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Drew68
"The NRA is and always has been a sinlge-issue organization.

Yes, and their single issue has been money, and just like the media they leverage fear to make theirs.

I'm a lifetime member of both the NRA and GOA, but when it comes to my dollars now, when I contribute it's to the GOA and the JFPO. The GOA and JFPO use the money to actually defend the right to keep and bear arms as opposed to enhancing their political position.

Statement of Reid campaign manager Brandon Hall on NRA endorsement in Nevada US Senate race

Why does the NRA support Harry Reid?
98 posted on 12/17/2012 7:37:07 PM PST by plsjr (<>< ... HIS will be done! (choose a "lesser evil"? NEVER AGAIN))
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To: RC one
The NRA’s endorsement, however, gives Manchin cover when he decides to side with Diane Feinstein. See, it's NRA endorsed, A+ rated Pro-Gun Joe Manchin supporting the Assault Weapons Ban to Save the Children ... So it must be OK.

Thanks for giving him cover, NRA, you jerks.

99 posted on 12/17/2012 7:39:15 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Lurker

I hear ya Lurk! (see my post #87 and #92 This thread). They are WORSE than cowards. I can’t believe how far they have fallen and I can’t believe I used to be ready to go Duke City with anyone who bashed the NRA! How things change. I remember when the NRA fund raising ‘beg-o-grams’ really got rolling, at least one a month. I called and suggested they save their postage money. (I was already contributing some time and money above and beyond the yearly re-up fee then, I was a long time member but never was a life member). They said fine, you are “off the list”. Didn’t happen. 5 or 6 more phone calls to the phone reps. with the same response. I finally just gave up. That had nothing to do with my leaving tho, nothing at all. (Yeah, it was poor customer management or what have you but nothing really terrible). My reason was for the Norquist thing.


100 posted on 12/17/2012 7:39:51 PM PST by bobby.223 (Retired up in the snowy mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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