Skip to comments.Looking to beat Feinstein's ban -- AR-15 Recommendations? (Vanity)
Posted on 12/18/2012 11:34:01 AM PST by SnakeDoctor
Since I've been hearing rumblings about Feinstein reviving her dumbassed assault weapons ban, and I have limited confidence in the spine of the GOP Congress -- I'm in the market for an AR-15. My wife was going to get me a crossbow or 30-06 sniper rifle for my 10th wedding anniversary this month (she's definitely a keeper) ... but neither of those are likely to be banned, so I'll move the AR up the list.
I looked at a local tactical firearms dealer yesterday evening. They had a DPMS/Panther Arms military-spec AR-15 with a rail system in 5.56 for a little less than $750 ... which is quite a bit less than I expected. I don't know much about DPMS/Panther Arms. They also had a Stag Arms, not sure of the price, though.
I want a good all-purpose assault rifle. Preferably something that is good both long-range and short, and with the ability to handle attachments, sights, scopes, foregrips, lights, etc.
I'm more familiar with Colt and Bushmaster, and, though I'd love to get an FN SCAR or HK416 ... those are probably out of my price range at the moment.
They are not assault rifles. They are rifles.
If I take my bolt action .22 Marlin and what you over the head with it, I suppose it has just become an Assault Rifle.
If I take my bolt action .22 Marlin and whack you over the head with it, I suppose it has just become an Assault Rifle.
I’m in the market for a tactical weapon, not a hunting rifle. Call it whatever you want.
I own a couple already - good info. at this site.
Most of your major mfgs are going to be solid platforms. Look for the features you want before buying. For instance, do you want Picatinny rails, collapsible stock, optics, lights, foregrip, additional mags?
I’m personally buying a lower-priced flattop DPMS for $975 and buying the accessories I want after the fact. Many stores will tack on accessories and jack up the price over double what it’s worth for accessories that are 10% of what’s being asked. Do your research, find what you like, get you a crate of quality ammo and some spare mags, and go to town!
I want an AK and my wife is giving my greif, but that was before last Friday.
Tactical is a great name. Assault rifle is a media, left wing propoganda moniker given these rifles. Is a Ruger 10/22 all tricked out in tactical furniture an assault rifle? Yup, if you listen to the left.
I’d recommend an AR-10 or a Saiga. A .223 round is simply crap IMHO and very expensive.
I didn’t think I was the only one thinking this, I’ve been shopping online gun stores today for an AR, hopefully the stupid people will squawk a bit and then stop making noise after this fades from the news.
Thanks for the link. Extremely helpful.
Forget the details. Just get a lower or two or three, and build them up how you want them later. The lower is considered the firearm by ATF so your foot is in the door. Cost should be under $150 each. Everything else is just an unregulated parts. They build easy with no special tools, anyone can do it.
You’re not the only one. The tactical weapons dealer I visited yesterday has a whole wall of AR15s, half-empty. The dealer said there wasn’t an empty space on the wall last Friday morning.
Having put a hundred or so rounds through a friends Springfield M1A, I couldnt agree more. It was a real joy to shoot and an AR felt like a toy when compared to it. Their accuracy and reliability is stuff of battlefield legend. The only drawback is the price. Dont they retail around $1200? My friend paid like $1200 to $1300 for his rifle but it also came with a Springfield pistol.
This M1A is often overlooked, typically because it doesnt have the “assault rifle” look. I think that is a good thing. Libs think its a hunting rifle.
What the heck are you waiting for? Geez.
As soon as Obama got the nomibnation and it was obvious he was going to win I got everything i knew would be on a ban list.
If you find one in good shape for $1,200, buy it. You got a bargain. I think they’re closer to $2,000 and worth it. Ever notice how many of the mass killers have their M16 look-alikes jam?
I wondering if the Newtown shooter ran out of ammo for the Bushmaster or if it jammed.
Bump for later.
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You better invest in a whole bunch of high capacity mags too, since they’ll be at the top of the agenda for the gun grabbers.
Actually, you need to blame Hitler. He chose the name 'storm (assault) rifle' for the Maschinenpistole 43.
The Sturmgewehr 44 is considered the 'grand daddy' of assault rifles. A select fire, intermediate cartridge rifle.
You can split hairs that civilian versions of the AR-15 don't have select fire, but you can still dump 30 rounds in less than 30 seconds in a six inch group at 100yds with very little practice. Good luck pulling that off with a bolt action.
Way ahead of you. My primary sidearm is an HK P30. Standard magazine holds 15 rounds.
Is the Colt significantly better than a Panther or Stag Arms? Even the WalMart price for the Colt is $300 or so than I’ve seen for the Panther ... and that’s without the picatinny rails that come with the Panther.
Honestly, I think a high-cap magazine ban has a better chance of passing than an assault weapon ban. This might be the compromise the House is forced into.
Get a 7.62. Nothing wrong with the 7.62x39 good for up to 400 yards.
Longer yet get a .308, M1A is what I have built up around, sure its heavier, holds less ammo but its better suited against trained heavily armed insurgents.
My understanding was that the 7.62 is a bit unweildy for a carbine or light machine-gun frame. Kicks too hard. Difficult to quickly re-sight for a double-tap.
It has been my experience that the 5.56 lacks what it takes when you need all you can get, nuff said.
Remember it was designed to be a wounding cartridge, unfortunately our enemies have devolved to where they do not give a dam about their wounded, their wounded would probably be shot by their own. So its usefulness as a strategic weapon that was supposed to tie up their hospitals with wounded does not come into play any more.
For close quarter work I’ll use a 5.7x28
IMO Stag Arms model 3 is probably the best bang for the buck when it comes to the AR platform. I believe the uppers are made by the same company that makes Rock River uppers and the lowers are of the same quality, though the triggers are not as good as the RR two stage. As for Mil-spec, in the civilian market the difference is the butt stock is made of thicker metal and can take more abuse thus the threading on the lower is a little different. Otherwise the parts are interchangeable.
I see a bunch of people knocking the AR platform and yes, if you can afford an M1A or Ruger Mini 14 I say go for it but if you are in the sub $1000 range it is hard to beat an AR. Plus there are millions of them out there so parts and accessories are plentiful.
I have heard it can be necessary to double-tap with a 5.56 ... though it can also be necessary with a 7.62, and you have fewer rounds. I thought Special Forces operators used primarily 5.56. For instance, the weapon that supposedly got OBL was an HK416, which I thought was a 5.56 weapon. Maybe I’m mistaken.
For me, it is primarily a target shooting and CQC self-defense weapon. I don’t imaging I’m going to be doing much long-distance self-defense shooting.
One thing I discovered is that DPMS .308 magazines are not compatible with Armalite magazines. They were also scarce and expensive when I was looking 3 years ago. Before you choose a rifle, see if the mags you want are readily available.
Before you buy go take a look at the Windham AR 15 HBC (heavy barrel carbine). Get the one with the handle because you can use the iron sights or mount a red dot on the top of the handle. We just traded in our Bushmaster heavy barrel for one and its far superior.
I don’t mean to hijack this thread, but what would be a good rifle for a small woman, in terms of carrying weight and especially, recoil?
Any AR style rifle is light with minimum recoil. Supplies are plentiful with all the add ons and mags are cheap. Plus you can get different uppers so besides the standard .223 round you could get .22 platform for cheaper shooting.
As for specifically what AR I’ll leave that to the experts as I run the AK system though my understanding of ARs there are varying tiers of quality — lower priced Bushmaster to higher priced better quality Bushmaster, etc. I’ve read to lube AR’s with motor oil and terminal damage more effective with 75 grain bullets. I figure there will be plenty of AR’s laying around or obtainable from domestic enemy combatants.
Also other options are the SIG 516 (or 556 in 7.62x39), FN FS2000, FN SCAR as supposed to be phenomenal.
“I dont mean to hijack this thread, but what would be a good rifle for a small woman, in terms of carrying weight and especially, recoil?”
Brace yourself for a flood of opinions. It would depend on what you intend to use the rifle for. Indoor defense? Outdoor street battles/sniping? Hunting? Target practice? For instance, for short-range work, I have a lightweight carbine that is nimble to swing and aim and shoots .45 ACP pistol bullets with minimal kick, but plenty of knock down power. Some people make a big deal about .45 ACP recoil in a pistol, but in a rifle the recoil is mild. It punches big holes at any velocity. It uses standard and extended Colt .45 magazines. Some people would suggest shotguns for indoor defense, but most of those have greater recoil than my carbine and don’t hold as many rounds. And, as a friend of mine found out, it takes a long time to dig all the shotgun pellets from kitchen cabinets!
From the guns I have worked on, Stag has better parts and fit, both will work, but I would go with the Stag to start.
Your tactical decision for carbine over shotgun for CQC I also give a hearty thumbs up. The minimal recoil, higher round capacity and faster follow up shots out of a Kel Tec Sub2000 are the reason I sold my pump shotguns. The Sub2k shares same 33 rd happy sticks as my Glock 9mm.
Magazines can be expensive for some AR-10 variants - I would recommend an FAL instead (but then, I used to build them ;>). I agree that Saiga's are a great option when it comes to AKM-type rifles (until very recently, I owned a .223 Saiga that I legally 'converted' many years ago to use Galil mags & standard AKM furniture). I would suggest that .223 is NOT "crap" (civilians are NOT limited to FMJ or OTM ammunition), and it most certainly is not expensive, particularly when compared to comparable .308/7.62 NATO ammo. And of course, I no longer own any firearms, the ownership of which might be affected by any proposed legislation. As always, this post is offered only as an opinion, YMMV, FWIW, etc...
“Just get a lower or two or three”
got the last few there at my shop - 160 each
Consider something NFA. Try policeguns.com for barely used Colt M4/LE (an AR15 as close to a real M4 as you can get) with 11.5” barrel. Around $1200 plus $200 transfer tax. Love mine.
Comes loaded with front and rear sights, front grip and two 30rd magazines. Great rifle (not "assault weapon.")
I’ve got a Stag AR-15 and just bought a Sig 522 last week. I am now looking at the Sig 556...anyone have one that wants to advise me what they think of the rifle?
You sure got that right! I was at my favorite gun shop on Saturday and the place was packed. I managed to find the last 3 high capacity magazines for my HnK USP9 ($45/ea.) and a few for my LAR-15 ($30/ea.) The rest was all ammunition, which was in rapidly dwindling supply!
Target practice and outdoor battles, if it comes to that. I already have a handgun for indoor defense. Thank you for the info!
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