Skip to comments.Psychiatric Medication And Mass Shootings - Is There A Link?
Posted on 12/19/2012 10:07:44 AM PST by klimeckg
Everyone thinks that it's about guns, this inanimate object. But this gun or guns require(s) a person to pull the trigger. This article touches on IMHO, what really needs to be discussed and brought to light, which is the medical industry pushing out Psychiatric Medication.
Or is it people refusing to take their medications that is the real problem. Jared Lochner, the Aurora theater shooter, and Adam Lanza all seem to have had psychiatric medications prescribed but were NOT taking them at the time of the shooting.
Yes. Here’s the connection. By definition, a mass shooter/murderer is psychotic. Most psychotics are either on meds or have been on them.
So you can skip the meds as being causal and go straight to the psychosis.
The Anti-psychiatry crowd wants it both ways. They called for deinstitutionalization calling it unethical, and that everything could be done with outpatient therapy.
Now that they’re out of the asylums, they say that pharmacology is useless. So what IS to be done with the insane?
They belong back in the asylums where they can’t do any harm, and no that doesn’t mean that they have to be beaten or chained to beds to do so.
“The sword does not kill. It is a tool in the killer’s hands.-Seneca the Younger 2000 years ago.
We could nearly eliminate the use of psych meds if we re-established the committed 2 parent home, and those parents took upon themselves the role of providing love, discipline, instruction, structure, wisdom, and sound diet and exercise in the home.
Meds are plan B because we refuse to do plan A. It won’t work.
Psychiatric Medication or is the link crazy people?
There are hundreds of homeless living under and around a bridge in New Orleans. More than likely, most of them need to be institutionalized for one form of psychosis or another and aren't taking medications they need. Letting people shoot 6 year olds is much more unethical than hospitalization of the mental ill. Of course, if they bring mental institutions back, they will only be for government resistant, God fearing, country loving, constitution believing, conservatives who need to be reprogrammed because they didn't go to the leftist university communist training program for 4 years.
Leave it to natural news to not be able to see the forest for the trees. It takes a mentally unbalanced person to commit such an act. Why the surprise that the mentally compromised are being treated? Never mind nn’s typical cart before the horse approach
I agree with you for the most part. However I worked as a psych tech many years ago in the state hospital system. When I took a class on the medications I was told to always carefully observe someone changing medications. For example a depressed person may try to commit suicide not because they are feeling more depressed but because they may still be depressed but feeling more energetic.
This is hard to say. Is is the drugs “making” someone be a mass murderer? Or are the drugs in the system just evidence that he’s been diagnosed as being mental and has been prescribed some drugs, and taken them.
It is impossible, I think, to prove cause.
To the larger point, I read yesterday that if we had senile dementia patients wandering the streets the way we have paranoid schizophrenics wandering the streets, we’d be horrified. Why is this ok?
There needs to be some sort of system - I know, systems are not always a good thing - to get paranoid schizophrenics committed. There must be safeguards so that the system is not abused and people aren’t committed for stupid reasons. Some sort of jury or ombudsman or regular review or something. But having these folks who listen to voices telling them to kill or hallucinating violent scenes wander freely among is is NOT WORKING.
Problem solved in 1968.
“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day.- Lyndon Johnson when he signed the 1968 GCA into law.
My own father was paranoid and severely depressed, killed himself and thought about killing his children. He came from a stable loving home, old-fashioned food and work and discipline, with lots of stable, loving relatives in town.
I went to school with a boy who became more and more psychopathic; he was sent away at thirteen. He was adopted as a baby and as far as anyone knew his adoptive parents were doing the right things.
A woman I knew and her husband were killed by their schizophrenic son. They made a good stable home for their children; the other children turned out well. Everyone thought the son who went mad was a wonderful boy until the schizophrenia hit.
A child’s mental illness might be the cause of the disruption of the home rather than the result; perhaps that is what happened to the Lanza family.
There is evidence that prescribed mind altering medicines exasperate the problem in some cases because of unwanted reactions.. like it or not.. we need to look at the evidence.
Like it or not: there could be unwanted reaction to prescribed mind altering medicines. The unwanted reaction to prescribed mind altering medicines really could include
"Take two now and cull a crowd in the morning . . . ."
There is little chance that it will happen but it has happened to some "crowds."
I am not qualified to explain and defend the evidence any more than I can explain weather.. I have what are called opinions and I would never deny anyone access to their medicines.
“So you can skip the meds as being causal and go straight to the psychosis.”
Why skip the meds? What if the meds can cause the psychosis, and this is a known, documented side effect of those meds? Skipping over that would seem to be quite foolish.
“Almost all SSRIs are known to cause one or more of these symptoms:
mania and psychotic disorders
suicidal ideation (thoughts of suicide)
dissociative disorders, cognitive disorders and loss of contact with reality”
“The Anti-psychiatry crowd wants it both ways.”
Labeling anyone that questions some conclusions or actions of the psych community “the anti-psychiatry crowd” is just emotional language designed to marginalize anything they might say. It’s a typical leftist tactic used to silence debate. Just because these folks are doctors with advanced degrees, does not mean that they should be free from public scrutiny or debate.
The liberals didn't let the crisis of a presidential assassination go to waste.
There was nothing like today's shootings at schools. The only gunfire at public schools was the schools' rifle team practicing.
There was the 1966 Texas university tower mass killing.. otherwise it was mostly murders like what occurs hourly in Chicago today.
I think you’ve missed the point. Sure, they have mental problems, but some people who take SSRI’s end up with worse mental problems after taking them than they had to begin with. You can go to a doctor with a mild depression, get a prescription for these, and end up having a psychotic break. It won’t happen for most people, but it will happen for some.
Now, nearly all the school shooters have been prescribed SSRIs. SSRIs are not a valid treatment for psychosis, so the mental problems that they were diagnosed with must have been milder. Either the psychiatric professionals missed the psychosis that was already present, or something happened between the initial diagnosis and the shootings to cause a psychotic break. Hmm, what could that be? Maybe the drugs they were prescribed that are known to cause psychotic reactions in rare cases? Isn’t that at least worth looking into?
I’ve been critical of psychiatry’s current state for some time now, despite the connections I have to people in the field.
That being said, there IS a legitimate segment of society that believes Psychiatry is “pseudoscience”, typically far-left and far-right types who rather push bizarre theories that mental illness is caused by “structural problems in society”, or that it’s simply evil/ demonic influences.
De-institutionalization was really popular among the leftists who saw asylums as repressive instruments of the state, a form of “psychological imperialism”.
I believe drugs are rampantly over-prescribed by incompetent doctors and cowardly patients who don’t want to have to work out their issues with psychotherapy, behavioral modification and the like. They rather just take a pill and expect everything goes away. I’m with you on that.
However, once people start using people who say that pharmacology is a complete scam, and that things like schizophrenia are “made up”, I will justifiably denounce them for their false statements and throwing the baby out with the water.
Psychiatric Medication or is the link crazy people?
I say both ,, we turned out most psych patients onto the streets in the 1980’s at the lib activists insistance... in the early 1990’s we started putting every little boy that exhibited boyish behaviour on speed... What happens to a immature brain that is forced into accepting highly addictive drugs?
Yes, you’re right there is a segment that is like that, be they Scientologists, or other fringe types. Still, I don’t think this is one of those fringe issues, questioning whether the psychies are overprescribing drugs without proper attention to their very dangerous side effects. That seems like a pretty common sense issue to me.