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If anyone asks, THIS is why we need AR's (vanity)
Red in Blue PA

Posted on 12/19/2012 6:25:48 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

-there were no background checks

-there were no age limits

-there were no waiting periods

-there were no arbitrary gun restrictions

-guns were much more easily accessible to kids

-gun safes practically did not even exist

-gun locks did not exist at all

-lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR

With all of this, still nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting during this time.

It's the culture stupid......it ain't the guns.

And the Second Amendment was never about duck hunting or target practice; it was about stopping tyranny from taking hold. The Founding Fathers were very clear on this and this can seen in their opinions ("it is the duty of every man to at all times be armed"-Thomas Jefferson) The Second Amendment was meant to be a checks and balances, so to speak, similar to the three branches of government. It was precisely designed to act as a Sword of Damacles, which hangs over the head over every single politician.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."-Thomas Jefferson


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The guy with this Civil War era lever action rifle can fire it about as fast as any AR-15.

Start at second 21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw

1 posted on 12/19/2012 6:26:00 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Start at Second 21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4—Qw


2 posted on 12/19/2012 6:27:31 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

One correction, that isn’t a civil war era gun. Post civil war.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 6:29:27 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In the 1800’s and up until the 1990’s, young men were to busy working to feel alienated and angsty and too tired to go on shooting sprees. They also put all their excess energy into pursuing a mate, getting her pregnant, and then working even more to support the baby.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 6:38:04 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I can give you three.

1760. Pennsylvania school house massacre. (Indians)

1812 Ft dearborne school children massacre (1 Indian with a tomahawk killed I believe 12 children)

1866 Hamilton TX school house massacre (Comanches)


5 posted on 12/19/2012 6:38:14 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://baggetthistory.com/indian_raid.html

INDIAN ATTACKS ON THE TEXAS FRONTIER
PUBLISHED IN 1889 BY E. L. DEATON
A SCHOOL HOUSE TRAGEDY

There are several more alleged Indian raids on schoolhouses, but they are poorly documented, and some were part of larger raids on settlements.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 6:42:08 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The weapon in the video is post-civil war gun. Looks like a Winchester, the first Winchester lever gun was put out in '66.

However, the Henry lever-action repeating rifle ("yellow-boy") was used by some union regiments towards the end of the war, Its pretty heavily featured in that show "hell on wheels." Anyway, THAT is a civil-war era gun capable of similar rapid fire.

7 posted on 12/19/2012 6:43:53 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Indian attacks don’t really “count.”


8 posted on 12/19/2012 6:47:34 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Your quote of Jefferson seems to be misattributed.
9 posted on 12/19/2012 6:47:45 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

The key is that kids didn’t kill people or do mass murder. I never saw kids killing people until the 80’s. And since then they seem to be getting younger and younger.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 7:01:22 PM PST by bigtoona
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To: Red in Blue PA

I can’t remember who said it but some was asked in a hearing by Feinstein IIRC why he needed an AR. His answer was PRICELESS. “Because you don’t want me to have one!”. Shut her up. Probably the only time ever.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 7:06:24 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

Sorry, just to make sure we keep things factual, school shootings are not new. Humanity by nature is violent. (the following are just the notable ones considering that news wasn't national, not everything may have been reported as to have been picked up.)


12 posted on 12/19/2012 7:06:24 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
The weapon in the video is post-civil war gun. Looks like a Winchester, the first Winchester lever gun was put out in '66.

However, the Henry lever-action repeating rifle ("yellow-boy") was used by some union regiments towards the end of the war, Its pretty heavily featured in that show "hell on wheels." Anyway, THAT is a civil-war era gun capable of similar rapid fire.

You are correct on most points, however the 1866 Wichester was known as the Yellow Boy because of the brass frame and the Civil War Henry was simple known as the "Henry Rifle." Looks like the cowboy is shooting a replica 1894 Winchester, maybe made by or Rossi or Uberti.

13 posted on 12/19/2012 7:10:44 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“It’s the culture stupid......it ain’t the guns.”

pssst, I’ll let you in on another little secret that the lamestream media will never discuss:

Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and Adam Lanza

Some from broken homes, some from nuclear families, some from money, some from poverty, different levels of education, different parts of the country, and yet one thing absolutely common with ALL of them -

No relationship of any type with the opposite sex.

The mind of a NORMAL 15 year old boy should be: girls, girls, girls.

Of course the problem with ever discussing this is the fact that liberals and the lamestream media are doing there best to convince everyone that not being interested in girls is just as normal as being interested in them (if not, how else can you make the case that homosexuality is ‘normal’).

But the fact remains: any teenage male that would prefer to hide out in a basement and play violet video games rather than be out trying to meet girls - ain’t normal. Somebody will probably find a reason to flame this comment - but I am sorry. Wanting to be around girls, wanting have some sort of relationship with girls, hell just wanting to walk down the street with a girl - it’s what we do, we’re guys. And being attracted to the opposite sex IS what is NORMAL.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 7:15:14 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc


15 posted on 12/19/2012 7:15:33 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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I have this old test of the .44 Rf Henry Rifle.

15 shot magazine,yet they could still get off 25 aimed shots a minute.

Government tests showed a Henry could get off 120 shots in five minutes, including loading.

During the Civil War, Captain James M Wilson was attacked by seven guerrillas who were set on killing him. With the Henry he shot all seven instead.

Should the Henry be banned as it held 15 cartridges?


16 posted on 12/19/2012 7:21:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

-there were no background checks

-there were no age limits

-there were no waiting periods

-there were no arbitrary gun restrictions

-guns were much more easily accessible to kids

-gun safes practically did not even exist

-gun locks did not exist at all

-lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR

And no question at all that someone would shoot them dead on the spot if they tried that crap.

17 posted on 12/19/2012 7:26:43 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mnehring

Not all were shootings.

On October 8,1870, in Canton Mass, Miss Etta Barstow was stoned to death by four of her class boys because she gave them a “slight reprimand”.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 7:31:15 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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"...lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR "

Yep, cowboy gunz rule. Especiazlly antique cowboy gunz.

19 posted on 12/19/2012 7:34:42 PM PST by Paladin2
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20 posted on 12/19/2012 7:35:26 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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