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If anyone asks, THIS is why we need AR's (vanity)
Red in Blue PA

Posted on 12/19/2012 6:25:48 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

-there were no background checks

-there were no age limits

-there were no waiting periods

-there were no arbitrary gun restrictions

-guns were much more easily accessible to kids

-gun safes practically did not even exist

-gun locks did not exist at all

-lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR

With all of this, still nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting during this time.

It's the culture stupid......it ain't the guns.

And the Second Amendment was never about duck hunting or target practice; it was about stopping tyranny from taking hold. The Founding Fathers were very clear on this and this can seen in their opinions ("it is the duty of every man to at all times be armed"-Thomas Jefferson) The Second Amendment was meant to be a checks and balances, so to speak, similar to the three branches of government. It was precisely designed to act as a Sword of Damacles, which hangs over the head over every single politician.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."-Thomas Jefferson


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The guy with this Civil War era lever action rifle can fire it about as fast as any AR-15.

Start at second 21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4--Qw

1 posted on 12/19/2012 6:26:00 PM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

Start at Second 21.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BwUJ4—Qw


2 posted on 12/19/2012 6:27:31 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

One correction, that isn’t a civil war era gun. Post civil war.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 6:29:27 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

In the 1800’s and up until the 1990’s, young men were to busy working to feel alienated and angsty and too tired to go on shooting sprees. They also put all their excess energy into pursuing a mate, getting her pregnant, and then working even more to support the baby.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 6:38:04 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I can give you three.

1760. Pennsylvania school house massacre. (Indians)

1812 Ft dearborne school children massacre (1 Indian with a tomahawk killed I believe 12 children)

1866 Hamilton TX school house massacre (Comanches)


5 posted on 12/19/2012 6:38:14 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://baggetthistory.com/indian_raid.html

INDIAN ATTACKS ON THE TEXAS FRONTIER
PUBLISHED IN 1889 BY E. L. DEATON
A SCHOOL HOUSE TRAGEDY

There are several more alleged Indian raids on schoolhouses, but they are poorly documented, and some were part of larger raids on settlements.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 6:42:08 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The weapon in the video is post-civil war gun. Looks like a Winchester, the first Winchester lever gun was put out in '66.

However, the Henry lever-action repeating rifle ("yellow-boy") was used by some union regiments towards the end of the war, Its pretty heavily featured in that show "hell on wheels." Anyway, THAT is a civil-war era gun capable of similar rapid fire.

7 posted on 12/19/2012 6:43:53 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Indian attacks don’t really “count.”


8 posted on 12/19/2012 6:47:34 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Your quote of Jefferson seems to be misattributed.
9 posted on 12/19/2012 6:47:45 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

The key is that kids didn’t kill people or do mass murder. I never saw kids killing people until the 80’s. And since then they seem to be getting younger and younger.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 7:01:22 PM PST by bigtoona
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To: Red in Blue PA

I can’t remember who said it but some was asked in a hearing by Feinstein IIRC why he needed an AR. His answer was PRICELESS. “Because you don’t want me to have one!”. Shut her up. Probably the only time ever.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 7:06:24 PM PST by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

Sorry, just to make sure we keep things factual, school shootings are not new. Humanity by nature is violent. (the following are just the notable ones considering that news wasn't national, not everything may have been reported as to have been picked up.)


12 posted on 12/19/2012 7:06:24 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd
The weapon in the video is post-civil war gun. Looks like a Winchester, the first Winchester lever gun was put out in '66.

However, the Henry lever-action repeating rifle ("yellow-boy") was used by some union regiments towards the end of the war, Its pretty heavily featured in that show "hell on wheels." Anyway, THAT is a civil-war era gun capable of similar rapid fire.

You are correct on most points, however the 1866 Wichester was known as the Yellow Boy because of the brass frame and the Civil War Henry was simple known as the "Henry Rifle." Looks like the cowboy is shooting a replica 1894 Winchester, maybe made by or Rossi or Uberti.

13 posted on 12/19/2012 7:10:44 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“It’s the culture stupid......it ain’t the guns.”

pssst, I’ll let you in on another little secret that the lamestream media will never discuss:

Eric Harris, Dylan Klebold, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and Adam Lanza

Some from broken homes, some from nuclear families, some from money, some from poverty, different levels of education, different parts of the country, and yet one thing absolutely common with ALL of them -

No relationship of any type with the opposite sex.

The mind of a NORMAL 15 year old boy should be: girls, girls, girls.

Of course the problem with ever discussing this is the fact that liberals and the lamestream media are doing there best to convince everyone that not being interested in girls is just as normal as being interested in them (if not, how else can you make the case that homosexuality is ‘normal’).

But the fact remains: any teenage male that would prefer to hide out in a basement and play violet video games rather than be out trying to meet girls - ain’t normal. Somebody will probably find a reason to flame this comment - but I am sorry. Wanting to be around girls, wanting have some sort of relationship with girls, hell just wanting to walk down the street with a girl - it’s what we do, we’re guys. And being attracted to the opposite sex IS what is NORMAL.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 7:15:14 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Red in Blue PA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IVCwYPjFXc


15 posted on 12/19/2012 7:15:33 PM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I have this old test of the .44 Rf Henry Rifle.

15 shot magazine,yet they could still get off 25 aimed shots a minute.

Government tests showed a Henry could get off 120 shots in five minutes, including loading.

During the Civil War, Captain James M Wilson was attacked by seven guerrillas who were set on killing him. With the Henry he shot all seven instead.

Should the Henry be banned as it held 15 cartridges?


16 posted on 12/19/2012 7:21:19 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The fact of the matter is that nobody can show me even a single instance of a school shooting in the 1800's when:

-there were no background checks

-there were no age limits

-there were no waiting periods

-there were no arbitrary gun restrictions

-guns were much more easily accessible to kids

-gun safes practically did not even exist

-gun locks did not exist at all

-lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR

And no question at all that someone would shoot them dead on the spot if they tried that crap.

17 posted on 12/19/2012 7:26:43 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: mnehring

Not all were shootings.

On October 8,1870, in Canton Mass, Miss Etta Barstow was stoned to death by four of her class boys because she gave them a “slight reprimand”.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 7:31:15 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
"...lever action guns in skilled hands can fire almost as fast as a semi auto AR "

Yep, cowboy gunz rule. Especiazlly antique cowboy gunz.

19 posted on 12/19/2012 7:34:42 PM PST by Paladin2
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20 posted on 12/19/2012 7:35:26 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: I cannot think of a name
“It’s the culture stupid......it ain’t the guns.”

Bingo!!!!!

Many people in this town knew that Adam was strange. Ask the hairdresser who cut his hair. Ask the people who he confronted face-to-face and never uttered a word. Now that they, and his mother, failed to get the help for him that he so desperately needed; now that 20 children have been slaughtered by a mad man; the idiots blame the guns.

Before guns are banned, the people of this town and all politicians involved ought to take a long hard look into a mirror and ask themselves if they could have saved 20 angels!!!!!!

21 posted on 12/19/2012 7:38:59 PM PST by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: eeriegeno
.....Ask the hairdresser who cut his hair.....

Based on some of the photo's that I have scene of this perp, she should be held as an accessory due to the child abuse she rendered on him with that hair style! Like this: http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-hpd10&p=adam%20lanza%20photo&type= or this: http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-hpd10&p=adam%20lanza%20photo&type= or my personal favorite: http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-hpd10&p=adam%20lanza%20photo&type= Had his mother only invested in some cheap clippers and cut his hair to look a little more normal, perhaps he would have had some friends and gained some acceptance. http://www.amazon.com/Wahl-79524-2501-Chrome-24-Piece-Haircut/dp/B0026IBSVE/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1355975471&sr=8-2&keywords=hair+clippers I don't know, it is just a theory, but all that hair would drive me crazy.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 7:57:29 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

The leftists want to make this a question of “do we need AR-15s and semiautomatic rifles?”. We should just respond, that’s the wrong question. The real question is: “do we want to be free?”

It’s been true from time immemorial that you can’t be a free man if you can’t bear arms privately, and if you can bear arms privately, then it is proof that you are a free man. If the leftist says “Do we need guns?”, just say “Do you still need your freedom?”


23 posted on 12/19/2012 8:04:24 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: I cannot think of a name

So, the common denominator is that they were nerds, geeks, or whatever other name you want to apply to “social rejects”. That’s not really a revelation.

Also, it’s simply not true at all that geeks who hang out in basements playing video games, or D&D, or reading comic books, or what have you, are not interested in girls. On the contrary, they’re probably more obsessed with girls than your average teen, because they usually can’t get anywhere near them, so they can only fantasize about them. Nerds don’t want to be lonely losers, they just can’t get girlfriends, because they are nerds!


24 posted on 12/19/2012 8:29:18 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

“Nerds don’t want to be lonely losers, they just can’t get girlfriends, because they are nerds!”

Thank goodness I didn’t follow your advice during high school or I’d never have had a date!

And by the way, there are nerd girls too. In fact, there’s pretty much somebody for everybody if you look hard enough.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 8:43:03 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Red in Blue PA

The earliest known United States shooting to happen on school property was the Pontiac’s Rebellion school massacre on July 26, 1764, where four Lenape American Indians entered the schoolhouse near present-day Greencastle, Pennsylvania, shot and killed schoolmaster Enoch Brown, and killed nine or ten children (reports vary). Only three children survived.[1]

List of school shootings in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States#cite_note-4


26 posted on 12/19/2012 9:43:38 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: I cannot think of a name
And being attracted to the opposite sex IS what is NORMAL.

Durn tootin'. I'm in my 50"s and that's still how it is. If you don't believe me just call home and ask my wife! (I'm allowed to look at the menu, I just can't place an order)

No big deal. Wouldn't if I could.

27 posted on 12/19/2012 9:53:25 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Antidepressants.

Antidepressants.

Antidepressants.


28 posted on 12/20/2012 1:56:44 AM PST by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

These weren’t done by kids! Apples to oranges.


29 posted on 12/20/2012 3:39:41 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

These weren’t done by kids! Apples to oranges.


30 posted on 12/20/2012 3:40:03 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

These weren’t done by kids! Apples to oranges.


31 posted on 12/20/2012 3:40:19 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

These weren’t done by kids! Apples to oranges.


32 posted on 12/20/2012 3:40:35 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

pfl


33 posted on 12/20/2012 5:10:16 AM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: I cannot think of a name

I didn’t give any advice, just making an observation. I’m glad you found a girlfriend though. Plenty of nerds don’t, I think that is pretty self-evident, or we wouldn’t be talking about the fact that they don’t.


34 posted on 12/20/2012 6:42:10 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Actually, I think most of the people we are talking about were quite a bit different than what I call “nerds.” To me, nerds are usually just kids that possess a lot more brain power than muscle power. They may get pushed around in school a bit, but most kids realize that it will be the nerds that are eventually rich. And some day, to their really fancy house and exotic car they’ll add a knockout trophy wife and have the last laugh.

The kids I’m talking about are a lot more in the mixed-up/dark side category. Hasn’t been much found out about the current one, but Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were pretty well investigated - at least until the investigation started going directions the liberals didn’t like.

From e-mails and other evidence, it was obvious that the two of them were engaging in homosexual acts together. But the taller of the two (I can never keep the names straight) actually attracted the interest of girls. But it is also obvious from the writing they left behind, that both of them would rather have killed girls than had sex with them (even though at least one of them may have had opportunities offered). And I don’t consider that Nerdism - more like twisted, sick, something completely miswired between the ears ism.

Instead of blaming inanimate objects, the question people ought to be asking is why do we appear to be producing a greater number of kids with this twisted outlook? I suspect that question isn’t being asked because it could lead to putting the blame at the feet of the society liberals are trying to create.

Better to blame guns than let the conversation go there!


35 posted on 12/20/2012 7:49:19 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name
But the fact remains: any teenage male that would prefer to hide out in a basement and play violet video games rather than be out trying to meet girls - ain’t normal. Somebody will probably find a reason to flame this comment - but I am sorry. Wanting to be around girls, wanting have some sort of relationship with girls, hell just wanting to walk down the street with a girl - it’s what we do, we’re guys. And being attracted to the opposite sex IS what is NORMAL.

Agreed.

But I don't think their lack of interest in the opposite sex has anything to do, necessarily, with an undercurrent of possible homosexuality or some sort of weird personality disorder. Perhaps they were merely socially awkward; perhaps, even, they wanted to do things normal 15-year-old boys do, like talk to girls/be with girls/etc., and the notion that their shyness or awkwardness prevented them from doing so increased their anti-social feelings to such a degree they acted out in such a severe, inhuman manner.

Just building on what you had there.

36 posted on 12/20/2012 8:02:24 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
“Perhaps they were merely socially awkward; perhaps, even, they wanted to do things normal 15-year-old boys do”

My answer directly above your post discusses this thought. I don't know yet about this most current incident, but the two Columbine maniacs have been studied in a lot more detail. And at least one of them did not have to be cut off from female companionship - he chose to be. There are socially awkward nerds, and then there is something else entirely. And we seem to be producing more and more of that ‘something else entirely.’

37 posted on 12/20/2012 8:26:08 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Red in Blue PA

OK.

OK.

OK.

OK.


38 posted on 12/20/2012 9:44:32 AM PST by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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