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12/20/12 | EQandybuzz

Posted on 12/20/2012 10:28:29 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz

I am looking to purchase a handgun. Need advice.


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I just got back from Academy. I am interested in purchasing the Tauras MILLENNIUM PRO™ 140 .40 S&W PISTOL IN BLUE STEEL. It is $329.00.

Does anyone have one? Are there better .40's in this price range? It looks like the Academy by me is selling out fast. The lines were long this morning.

Thoughts?

1 posted on 12/20/2012 10:28:41 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Save your money. Buy a Glock or a Sig Sauer


2 posted on 12/20/2012 10:32:15 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Taurus makes a good weapon. Probably wouldnd’t be a bad investment. That said, asking for gun advice on FR is a two-edged sword. Be prepared for lots of advice to buy a hip-mounted cruise missile.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 10:33:34 AM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: I got the rope

Dittos....save up for a Glock, Colt, or Sig.....something that begins with .4 esp.


4 posted on 12/20/2012 10:33:45 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Look for the UNION label.....then buy something else!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

http://www.ruger.com/products/p95/models.html

Good gun for the money.

My older parents just bought one.

It was recommend by a friend of mine that I used to work with that is also a licensed gun dealer. Has never jammed on me.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 10:34:06 AM PST by Jayster
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I had a millenium pro in .45ACP. It was ammo picky, cheap stuff caused problems for me. It was reliable with PMC and up quality-wise.

If you intend to carry, make sure the type holster you want is available for it.

6 posted on 12/20/2012 10:34:31 AM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I know that Glock has a first responders sales discount for those that are paramedics, EMTs, & law-enforcement. I am not sure if that includes military or not.


7 posted on 12/20/2012 10:35:04 AM PST by notpoliticallycorewrecked (Our military does not kill babies, those that commit abortion kill babies.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’m VERY glad I decided on 9mm because it is plenty of boom for personal protection, and the ammo is quite a bit cheaper than any other caliber. I get 50 rounds for about $13...higher for hollow points of course.


8 posted on 12/20/2012 10:35:38 AM PST by Mich Patriot (PITCH BLACK is the new "transparent")
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To: EQAndyBuzz

9 posted on 12/20/2012 10:36:03 AM PST by Jayster
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Not a fan of the .40 here so maybe others that are .40 fans can point you in the right direction. However, I suggest you check out Beretta’s PX4 Storm Compact. Extreme quality. Able to be de-cocked. 15+1 in 9mm. very concealable. superb ergonomics. You can get this in a .40 too, just an fyi


10 posted on 12/20/2012 10:36:16 AM PST by Levy78
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To: EQAndyBuzz

http://www.thehighroad.org/search.php?searchid=10942725

Like all Taurus products, mixed reviews.


11 posted on 12/20/2012 10:36:26 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: EQAndyBuzz

If you specifically want a 40 S&W you can buy one (Glock)used from any local gun store...police trade ins - lots and lots of them from $300 up.

Personally, I drew the line on the types of ammo I have and decided I didn’t want to have to stock 40 S&W too....

This is an aside. I once had a Taurus PT111 Millenium that dropped the damned magazine each time it was fired - brand new gun!. I never bought anything Taurus again.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 10:36:30 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

While I agree the Glocks and Sigs are nice, for what you have to spend the Taurus Millennium is just fine, thank you.

More important than anything is practice, practice, practice. Become familiar with what you have.


13 posted on 12/20/2012 10:36:42 AM PST by RepRivFarm ("During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." -George Orwell)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
I own a Taurus Millennium Pro PT-145 (.45ACP). Great value for the money.

It is easily concealable, especially for a .45. Features include a 10-round double-stack magazine, Heine rear sight (can be fitted with Trijicon night sights, if desired), and thumb and grip safeties.

For personal defense, I far prefer the .45ACP to the .40 - much more stopping power, especially using JHP rounds. Also, the gun is well-balanced and has no more noticeable felt recoil than a standard-size 1911 model, even given its 3" barrel length and polymer frame.

14 posted on 12/20/2012 10:38:17 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

It should start with a number “4”, or end with the word “magnum”, IIRC the results of other such advice requests.


15 posted on 12/20/2012 10:39:32 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
These are compact and lightweight. Very long and smooth DAO trigger. My boy has one that has been back to the factory twice over trigger problems. You should really start with a revolver...... maybe like this.

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16 posted on 12/20/2012 10:41:16 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

You can’t go wrong with a Glock.


17 posted on 12/20/2012 10:42:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: RepRivFarm

Beware the man who only owns one gun, for he will know how to use it.


18 posted on 12/20/2012 10:42:02 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: RepRivFarm

Beware the man who only owns one gun, for he will know how to use it.


19 posted on 12/20/2012 10:42:02 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Glock 17 or 19 and any and all extra mags you can buy. Whatever you decide it needs to be done post haste as you may have already waited too late. Most of my local stores look like picked over Soviet era grocery stores.


20 posted on 12/20/2012 10:43:34 AM PST by 762X51
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To: arderkrag

“...hip-mounted cruise missile.”

Yep, that’s what I want!

But I like my Kahr 9mm, too.


21 posted on 12/20/2012 10:45:38 AM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Few questions that need answers:

1. Do you intend to clean and maintain your weapon well? Or will it live at the bottom of a purse?

2. Is it for carry?

3. How concealable do you need it?

4. Are you worried a little kid might get it?

5. How would you carry it?

6. Are you worried about recoil?


22 posted on 12/20/2012 10:48:06 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (RINOS like Romney, McCain, Dole are sure losers. No more!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I just got a Taurus Judge. It’s a revolver that fires 410 shotgun rounds. It’s my first firearm, and I’m servous about semi-automatics. A revolver is a simpler device, and shotgun rounds are less likely to miss, and less likely to pass through someone and hit someone else than anything buyt hollow point, from the info that I’ve been able to gather.

I got some advice from people who preferred other weapons. I’m taking it to the range this weekend. We’ll see.


23 posted on 12/20/2012 10:48:06 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’ve shot this weapon. Personally it is not for me. I think you will really like the glock. Look around. You can find some reasonably priced. You may even find some that have been through a police armory. I bet you could find one for $400 to $450. Remember...like all things...prices are negotiable. Don’t be scared of a used glock or sig. They are much more reliable than any other weapon I have encountered.


24 posted on 12/20/2012 10:48:19 AM PST by I got the rope
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To: Gaffer

Taurus does have a lifetime transferable warranty.


25 posted on 12/20/2012 10:49:27 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

A .40 is “alright” but s .45 ACP is MUCH BETTER! The only thing is .40 is CHEAPER to shoot than a .45. Remember “friends do not let friends buy 9 Mils”!


26 posted on 12/20/2012 10:49:29 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Taurus is alright but I LIKE Rugars.


27 posted on 12/20/2012 10:50:17 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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Be prepared for lots of advice to buy a hip-mounted cruise missile.

OMG that is soooo funny but soooo true.............LMAO

28 posted on 12/20/2012 10:52:28 AM PST by varon ( I'll take the Mafia over the Feds anytime)
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To: umgud
Nothing wrong with revolvers...they never jam. I'm more than happy with my Taurus Public Defender Ultralight (22oz.) .45 and/or 410.

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29 posted on 12/20/2012 10:53:12 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

This is pretty nice too:
http://www.ruger.com/products/sp101/specSheets/5719.html


30 posted on 12/20/2012 10:54:05 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

WARNING: OPINIONS FOLLOW.

Look at total cost of ownership, i.e. include cost of ammo.

S&W Bodyguard - 38: low recoil, no ejection/feeding malfunctions, and you can keep it in a jacket pocket and it will fire w/o catching on anything, cheap ammo.

FN Five-Seven: Very controllable recoil, very accurate, devastating round, expensive.

Springfield XD: 9mm +P, good all around, “lawman” ammo will take down anyone, cheap ammo.

.38, .40, .45 and 9mm - SOOOOooooo last century. .17HMR and Five-Seven - high speed, light round, devastating delivery of energy.


31 posted on 12/20/2012 10:55:59 AM PST by Darteaus94025
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Taurus are good guns. If there is a problem, they have about the best customer service of anyone.

Around 6 months ago, I bought a new Smith & Wesson 22A. I fired it several times with no problem then on about the 5th shot, it jammed.

I got to looking at it and to my amazement, there was no extractor. I live in a rural area and was shooting from the roof of my car. The whole area is concrete and anything like an extractor lying on it would have been evident.

I am certain the gun was made without an extractor tho there was a cut in the slide for it. I returned it to Smith as instructed and in a short time, got it back repaired. It now is both accurate and reliable.

Do I now thing S&W makes crappy products? No I don’t tho it did bother me a bit that it got by quality control. Funny that it shot several times without an extractor. I used to have a Beretta Minx in .22 short which was designed without an extractor. It depended on the little short case to be a piston to push back the slide. The barrel popped up to take a round out of the chamber or to chamber one without operating the slide.

I think you will be happy with the Taurus.


32 posted on 12/20/2012 10:56:34 AM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: mylife

Yeah...I know.....but, have you ever seen the commercial for Honda? Starts out with a couple in another lot across the street.....saleslady says “Best Warranty in the entire business - bumper to bumper.” Customers say “What about quality and satisfaction?”

The complaint is that I should not have had a mag drop on a brand new gun that was not a Saturday Night Special. There is no excuse for it. I have never had this happen with any other weapon I own, and there are plenty of them.


33 posted on 12/20/2012 10:56:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: gorush
I'm more than happy with my Taurus Public Defender Ultralight (22oz.) .45 and/or 410.

Dad has one, but I'm in CA and they're illegal here or I'd have one in a NY minute.

34 posted on 12/20/2012 10:57:55 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

7. Is this your first pistol? A revolver is a simpler for newbies to learn than semi-autos.


35 posted on 12/20/2012 10:59:32 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: umgud

I want one ( as soon as I get that bionic hand )


36 posted on 12/20/2012 11:01:35 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Daveinyork

Just some friendly advice from someone who has seen this. Especially if your judge shoots 45 LC. If the weapon is very light weight, the type of ammo you use is important.

In my Governor (S&W) for instance which has a Scandium frame and steel insert barrel and steel cylinder, they caution to try a test run for 45 LC.

Load the ammo, shoot 5 rounds and examine the 6th. If the shell appears to have slug retention separation, choose different ammo. This wasn’t as easy as it sounds. I had some WM Winchester generic 45LC that did this, even some premium Hornady FTX 225Gr ammo....I finally asked Hornady...they finally told me the 185 FTX Personal Protection ammo would not unseat. They were correct.


37 posted on 12/20/2012 11:02:26 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Brilliant choice: Springfield Armory XD 9mm


38 posted on 12/20/2012 11:02:42 AM PST by RobaWho (I Love the U.S. Constitution, as written.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
My favorite gun is my .45. It is the one I'm holding in the picture.
39 posted on 12/20/2012 11:03:15 AM PST by Sawdring
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To: EQAndyBuzz

See if you can try out some different weapons and see what you are most comfortable with. I have been using the 4th gen Glock 23 .40 and I am very happy with it. It has a smoother recoil than the 3rd gen and has a slightly smaller grip, so my wife is comfortable with it too. It’ll be out of the price range you mentioned, but I’ve seen 3rd gen 23’s in your price range.


40 posted on 12/20/2012 11:04:22 AM PST by Aiden
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Look them up on YouTube and see what owners and reviewers are saying about them.

You mentioned $329 being in your price range. You might consider buying used and open up your choices.

The .40 is a high pressure round. Very snappy shooting for the uninitiated. I’d seriously recommend a 9mm. You may be able to find a used Glock 17 or 19 in that price range that may be well shot and look worn out. Don’t let that bother you. A few dollars in springs and it will be as good as new. Any Glock armorer will bring it up to speed for you, probably right in front of you.

Springfield XDs are nice too. There are a lot of used in the market as people like to move up to their XDm line.

S&W M&Ps used may be an option for you too. But if you need brand new, you can get a Ruger LCP .380 for that price. Not as usefull as a full sized handgun, but so handy that you’ll never leave it at home. I carry mine in my shirt pockets.

I’ve owned a Taurus 1911 and had a good experience with it, but I have a friend who had such a bad time with his Millenium and their customer service never being able to resolve his problems that he won’t consider their products anymore.


41 posted on 12/20/2012 11:04:30 AM PST by Dogbert41 (What now?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

For home defense I really suggest a shotgun. Also, get a laser sight on your handgun. You need to be able to hit the target, and the laser ups the odds.


42 posted on 12/20/2012 11:07:18 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Sawdring

Dude, that’s just wrong.


43 posted on 12/20/2012 11:08:17 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: umgud
If...
this is your first gun and/or...
you won't get any/much professional training and/or...
you won't spend much time practicing clearing jams and/or...
you won't be religious about cleaning/maintenance....

You might be my wife so get a stainless wheel gun. Hers is a Taurus 85 ultralite .38+P, 5 shot 2". 5 pulls, 5 booms.

If you NEED 15 + 1 and a bunch of extra mags you either need to spend more time on the range or stay out of that part of town.

44 posted on 12/20/2012 11:09:11 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I have a S&W Sigma 40 Love it..fits in back waistband nice but not my primary carry piece. thats a ruger 357 LCR but the sigma lives in my nightsatnd. used it for my ccw accurate and comes with 2ea 13 rd clips


45 posted on 12/20/2012 11:10:44 AM PST by garykfd (American by Birth, Southern by the Grace of God)
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To: Gaffer

All I have is a used PT92
It works great.


46 posted on 12/20/2012 11:11:58 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Darteaus94025
One thing about the Five seveN, though - I love mine, but ammo ain't cheap and it's touchy to reload. Fun gun to shoot, flat trajectory, low recoil, but you have to deduct points for a cartridge that, when you show it to people, they say, "Awww, cute!" It's humiliating. I mean, when the Wehrmacht faced the Minutemen at San Juan Hill, did General Beauregard say "cute!"? I think not.

And who can argue with that?

47 posted on 12/20/2012 11:11:58 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I bought a S&W Signa in .40 cal a couple of years back. Recently bought a Bersa Compact Pro in 9mm. If you’re just now getting your first handgun, I’d suggest the 9 rather than the .40. I have much better accuracy with mine.


48 posted on 12/20/2012 11:13:15 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I bought a S&W Signa in .40 cal a couple of years back. Recently bought a Bersa Compact Pro in 9mm. If you’re just now getting your first handgun, I’d suggest the 9 rather than the .40. I have much better accuracy with mine.


49 posted on 12/20/2012 11:13:32 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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I have positive experience with HK USP. Price-wise they are somewhere up there, closer to Sigs. I was advised against Berettas because of reliability problems.

9mm vs. .40 doesn't make much of a difference (45 mils, to be exact.) As others pointed out, training is essential, and a 9mm, with its lower cost, offers more training per buck. Round-wise, 9mm FMJ goes through a thick steel sheet that I have as a backstop for .22LR. One should care more about the shot placement rather than about a few extra joules that you get with .40 - especially if you miss altogether.

And as others already pointed out, one handgun (or one rifle) is just to get started. You cannot compare a .22LR target pistol (like Ruger Mark III) to a combat pistol to a concealment pistol. They are all good for different things.

I would generally advise against buying the cheap stuff. Better to save a bit more money and get a quality product. I am personally not in favor of Glocks just because they lack the manual safety, and my personal needs are entirely target shooting and hunting, so far. Those needs do not require fast response, but I appreciate another little bit of safety, even though one shouldn't trust it (or anything.) But this same feature - lack of manual safety - would make them excellent combat pistols, with one less lever to be set wrong when seconds matter. Firearms are a good investment - perhaps better than gold.

50 posted on 12/20/2012 11:15:03 AM PST by Greysard
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