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Pennsylvania Gun Shopping Report (vanity)
Vanity | December 21, 2012 | ConservativeInPA

Posted on 12/21/2012 2:03:22 PM PST by ConservativeInPA

I am finally home after a day of Christmas shopping that started with purchasing a revolver and a pistol for my two daughters at Shyda's Gun Shop. My purchase actually started three weeks ago when my background check was put on hold by the State Police. There was no reason given. I've never been in trouble with the law, and I have made multiple gun purchases this past year without any problems with a background check.

Yesterday, I received a call from the gun shop informing me that my background check was approved. Fortunately I had already planned to take off work today and I arrived at the gun shop shortly after 10 am. The parking lot was full and the store was packed. I didn't have to wait in line, since the two handguns were held for me until my background check cleared. I have to say that Shyda's has great customer service.

Guns were flying off the shelves and there is a huge list of back orders on many models. What was probably most interesting was to wait to get background checks. They said it was taking 20 to 40 minutes to get a call through to the State Police for background checks. I stood at the counter and heard busy signal after busy signal as they redialed to get a call through. This must mean than many gun stores in PA were doing a lot of business.


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I am now completely against background checks. They add to the cost of a gun purchase. The State Police can take up to three weeks to perform the check, which delays a purchase and may keep a gun out of the hands of someone that needs to immediately protect themselves.. Most importantly, background checks do not keep weapons out of hands of criminals.
1 posted on 12/21/2012 2:03:25 PM PST by ConservativeInPA
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To: ConservativeInPA

I agree. Background checks are another feel good, feel safe policy, much like being groped by the TSA at the airport. Does nothing to make anyone safe.


2 posted on 12/21/2012 2:07:20 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: ConservativeInPA

If I recall correctly, background checks was one of the concessions the NRA made years ago to appease those who support Firearms Prohibition.

Like Reagan granting amnesty to 3 million illegal aliens, the appeasement has done nothing to fix the problem and now that the problem has been exacerbated by liberalism, the demands are for even greater concessions.


3 posted on 12/21/2012 2:09:47 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The NICS check is confirm/hold/deny...if not answered in 72 hrs, it’s supposed to be deemed as granted.


4 posted on 12/21/2012 2:12:43 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Michell Malkin posted a photo of a Colorado gun store with everything marked “Sold”.


5 posted on 12/21/2012 2:13:50 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Mine took 45 minutes today. What a PAIN. totally agree with your assessment.

Spent the time chatting with fellow customers (as the only chick in the shop, they were my captive audience.)

Shaw’s in Bridgeville (PA). Great service. They still have AR’s, but forget mags - they were out, at least as of today. Not much left in .556 ammo either....


6 posted on 12/21/2012 2:14:45 PM PST by LadyBuck (I've read so much about the evils of drinking & smoking that I've given up reading.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Texas: If one holds a CHL, then NICS is considered done. Total time yesterday between "I'll take this one and that one" to out the door was 20 min's tops and most of that was spent waiting for transactions ahead of mine to go thru.

May God Bless Texas!

7 posted on 12/21/2012 2:19:18 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: fatnotlazy

On the contrary, it keeps politicians’ jobs safe as they pander to emotional idiots who demand that we DO SOMETHING(tm).


8 posted on 12/21/2012 2:19:21 PM PST by relictele
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To: ConservativeInPA

I went to BassPro shops in Ft Myers, FL today. The selection of handguns remaining was disappointing and they mentioned there were at least 14 sales pending background checks at that time.


9 posted on 12/21/2012 2:20:10 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

which delays a purchase and may keep a gun out of the hands of someone that needs to immediately protect themselves

- - - -

All the more reason to be armed before you feel the need to be armed, as well as getting practice in before you wish you had.

And don’t forget your back-up...


10 posted on 12/21/2012 2:20:58 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ConservativeInPA

3 weeks? Wow. In Texas if you have a concealed carry license, that gets you past 90% of the red tape and you are in and out in 30 minutes or less. It takes longer to order a pizza.


11 posted on 12/21/2012 2:25:16 PM PST by mnehring
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To: ConservativeInPA

In case anyone is interested, there is a gun show at the York Expo Center (York Fairgrounds) in York, PA this weekend. I expect that there will be liberal protesters. It should be fun.


12 posted on 12/21/2012 2:33:52 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I made my final ‘gun run’ a week before Newtown happened. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. AND got a new 12 guage as a birthday gift...so I’m good...for while.


13 posted on 12/21/2012 2:43:43 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Daveinyork
In case anyone is interested, there is a gun show at the York Expo Center (York Fairgrounds) in York, PA this weekend. I expect that there will be liberal protesters. It should be fun.

I was talking to friend today that went to the gun show in Harrisburg a couple weekends ago. He said there was a five hour wait to get a background check. Of course, if you are making an individual to individual transfer of a long gun you don't need a background check.

Maybe I will go down to York this weekend to sell the last AR that I built. It is modeled on a M16A3, has a 20" government profile barrel and detachable carry handle, if anyone is interested. It is shot in, and very accurate. It only has about 500 rounds through it. I will swap my AR15 for a AR10 stripped lower with mags, plus cash.

14 posted on 12/21/2012 2:50:25 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: tpmintx

More states need to be more like Texas. I have a carry permit, which was rather easy to get, but it doesn’t help when purchasing weapons.


15 posted on 12/21/2012 2:53:36 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

About 14 years ago, I bought a weapon. The guy went to the back to do the checking background thing, and came back and said, “I can’t believe it. There is nothing on your record.” I said, “What? Did you want me to be a gangster?” He said people usually have “something”.

I have wondered about that. Are people who buy guns more likely to have a “record” of some kind than people who haven’t bought a gun? Since I bought that one, I still haven’t done anything to have a “record” unless buying one caused the govn. to put me down as suspect for terrorist behavior. Anyone with a gun bought in a store is on that list.


16 posted on 12/21/2012 2:57:25 PM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella
Are people who buy guns more likely to have a “record” of some kind than people who haven’t bought a gun?

Actually less likely. There was a study that was talked about on Glenn Beck this morning that should really piss off liberals. Apparently Americans that own guns are far less likely to have committed or to commit any crime than non gun owners.

17 posted on 12/21/2012 3:02:47 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Georgia does the same as Texas. No waiting more than a few minutes to staple the paperwork to your receipt.


18 posted on 12/21/2012 3:07:36 PM PST by Dacula
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To: LadyBuck

.556? Probably not a lot of demand for PTRS-41 ammo ;-)


19 posted on 12/21/2012 3:07:45 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Dacula
Georgia does the same as Texas. No waiting more than a few minutes to staple the paperwork to your receipt.

This is the only time that it has taken more than couple of minutes. The guy at the gun shop said it happens sometimes, but there is never a reason given. He said that some one that has committed a crime with the same name as me might make the state police do a more detailed search. My name is very common ... In the top 20.

20 posted on 12/21/2012 3:18:27 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The NICS check is confirm/hold/deny...if not answered in 72 hrs, it’s supposed to be deemed as granted.

And what dealer will transfer the gun after 72 hours if they haven’t received approval? Think there is any liability involved?


21 posted on 12/21/2012 3:46:37 PM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: TurboZamboni

In certain places there’s both a federal and state background check on handguns.


22 posted on 12/21/2012 3:51:44 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: mnehring

In New Mexico it’s the NICS and done. About 5 minutes before all this craziness.

Made the rounds of several shops today, it looked like locusts had been through them. And it’s not just AR’s and such, people are buying anything.

One place that buys ammo by the pallet load had no .223 and no .308, and was limiting 9mm, .40 and .45 to 2 boxes per customer.


23 posted on 12/21/2012 3:53:02 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: satan
my dealer does.

not sure on question 2, nor is he since I don't go committing crimes.

24 posted on 12/21/2012 3:53:13 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: satan

The rule is that after 3 working days with no answer, a delay can go through.


25 posted on 12/21/2012 3:54:40 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ConservativeInPA

This raises an interesting issue that hasn’t been talked about for a while. (Via the 10th Amendment Center).

Firearms Freedom Act (Signed into law in 2010 in 8 states)

Originally introduced and passed in Montana, the FFA declares that any firearms made and retained in-state are beyond the authority of Congress under its constitutional power to regulate commerce among the states. The FFA is primarily a Tenth Amendment challenge to the powers of Congress under the commerce clause, with firearms as the object.

The Intrastate Commerce Act does the same thing as the FFA in regards to firearms, but also expands the principle to all products grown, produced, and manufactured within the state.


26 posted on 12/21/2012 3:56:57 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I agree too.

I used to get a “hold” every time they ran one on me. They never rejected me but I always had to wait the three days and then go back to pick up the gun.

Last year I got my concealed carry permit so I can now purchase on the spot with no background check required. If a store (like Dunhams Sports) tells me that they know it’s state law but store policy requires they do a background check anyway I tell them thanks but no thanks I’ll do business elsewhere.


27 posted on 12/21/2012 4:03:00 PM PST by 2111USMC (aim small, miss small)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I can relate to the common name problem.

Never really had a problem ever.


28 posted on 12/21/2012 4:04:50 PM PST by Dacula
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To: ConservativeInPA
Most importantly, background checks do not keep weapons out of hands of criminals.

Believe me, I'm all for walking in and walking out without a hassle. But I'm curious - if they find something bad and refuse the sale, isn't that keeping that weapon out of the hands of a bad guy or lunatic? Do you have some other source of info that says the checks aren't effective?

29 posted on 12/21/2012 5:03:52 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: ConservativeInPA

The background check for me only took about an hour on Wednesday at a local gun shop.


30 posted on 12/21/2012 5:15:39 PM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Was at a shop in Mechanicsburg yesterday. Eight people in line at a postage stamp of a gun shop.


31 posted on 12/21/2012 5:20:42 PM PST by pa_dweller (Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves:... Isa 1:23)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I took care of all the items on my ammo & mags list on November 10th.


32 posted on 12/21/2012 5:24:57 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Secret Agent Man
In Nassau County (Long Island) the process for a handgun is this (assuming that you already have a license)...

Buy the gun

Take the receipt to the PDHQ in Mineola, register it.

Take the PD marked receipt back to get the gun.

Take the gun to PDHQ to verify sn.

Not the same for rifles, those you just buy after the call to the feds and walk out with.

33 posted on 12/21/2012 5:30:52 PM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: pa_dweller
Was at a shop in Mechanicsburg yesterday. Eight people in line at a postage stamp of a gun shop.

I'm from Mechanicsburg. Were you at Mike Acri's shop?

34 posted on 12/21/2012 5:45:04 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
3 WEEKS?!

And what in the name of John Moses Browning is the STATE POLICE holding up your 2nd Amendment rights for? The Brady "National" Instant Background Check was supposed to be a Federal function. Not that I wanted it to start with.

Here in NC, if you have a Conceal Carry license, it's cash and carry, baby.

35 posted on 12/21/2012 6:54:25 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Every time I buy, the purchase goes through fast, and the clerk says boy the FBI must love you. LOL.


36 posted on 12/21/2012 7:09:52 PM PST by Empireoftheatom48 (God help the Republic but will he?)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I don’t know the proprietor’s name (yet), the shop is Mechanicsburg Ordnance.


37 posted on 12/21/2012 9:59:38 PM PST by pa_dweller (Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves:... Isa 1:23)
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To: LadyBuck; Axenolith
.556? Probably not a lot of demand for PTRS-41 ammo ;-)

That's 5.56, LadyBuck. Standard M16 ammo.

FRegards,
LH

38 posted on 12/21/2012 10:14:01 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: backwoods-engineer
And what in the name of John Moses Browning is the STATE POLICE holding up your 2nd Amendment rights for?

I'd like to know that too. PA doesn't use NICS, only 30 states do. Knowing how things "need" to be done in PA, a separate bureaucracy is needed to do background checks. In PA, it is called PICS. Looking at the PICS website, it says about 60% of people receive their approval in a few minutes. That has always been the case with me until this most recent purchase.

I have a CCL in PA, but it doesn't help me with background checks. CCL or what we call LTCF is another wonderful bureaucracy that varies in each of the 67 counties here. If I recall correctly, in my county it takes about two weeks to get a LTCF. There are other counties in PA that take a half hour. And then there is Philadelphia county that makes it much more difficult even though PA is a shall issue state.

For the most part, gun laws in PA are much better than other northeastern states. There are no restrictions on the weapons you can buy, other than federal. It is simple as walking into a store, getting the PICS background check, and paying for the purchase. Of course, I am of the mind set that the government shouldn't be involved in anything related to firearms and weapons in general. The 2nd Amendment has no buts in it.

39 posted on 12/22/2012 7:36:56 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (It is impossible to have a good faith negotiations with terrorists or any Muslim.)
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