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Anti 'gun confiscation' laws.
12/22/12 | grumpygresh

Posted on 12/22/2012 7:47:13 AM PST by grumpygresh

Statements by Obama and NY governor Cuomo and others have made gun owners very worried. If we get an assault weapons ban via congressional action or presidential order, who will stop the momentum from turning to outright confiscation especially in Leftist jurisdictions. I don't know if any states currently have state laws that address this specific issue, but we need to make sure that our gun and property rights are secure from the gun grabbers at all levels.


TOPICS: Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscation; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment; vanity

1 posted on 12/22/2012 7:47:15 AM PST by grumpygresh
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To: grumpygresh

I’m not worried.


2 posted on 12/22/2012 7:49:23 AM PST by onona (Yes, I am a Raiders fan.)
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To: grumpygresh

Isn’t it true that at the time of the adoption of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment was considered a necessary deterent to government tyrany as an unarmed people would be vulnerable to opression?

In other words, it’s not just about being able to hunt and defend your person.


3 posted on 12/22/2012 7:54:37 AM PST by Helotes
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To: grumpygresh

The left are too smart to begin gun confiscation, at least over the near future. Gun grabbers must wait for more brutal killings, all of which are the result of “gun free zone” legislation, deliberately crafted to facilitate mass murder. With each future mass killing, another assault will take place on the 2nd Amendment until confiscation becomes the only resort left for the protection of Americans. (At least that will be the claim of the left)
The only way to defeat confiscation will be for actual Americans to take a stand and literally fire on anyone coming for their guns.


4 posted on 12/22/2012 8:03:42 AM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: grumpygresh
This is the kind of stuff which changes people from citizens who "disagree" into citizens who "actively disagree".

It would probably be wise for people like Obama and Cuomo to very seriously consider what they propose....actions have consequences and unintended outcomes.

5 posted on 12/22/2012 8:06:28 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: Helotes

And because the 2nd A was to deter Tyranny it would require the ability of the people to have small arms of the capability to take on the weapons of the army of the tyrant which means they would have to be of at least equal capability. So this definately does not mean just hunting and self defense, hunting bears and burglars.
That means that the “assault weapon” should be specifically the type of firearm the second A was referring to and protecting.


6 posted on 12/22/2012 8:07:01 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: Oldpuppymax

Let’s hope that we can stop them before it comes to that.


7 posted on 12/22/2012 8:07:01 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: grumpygresh
The main problem with “gun confiscation” is that the premise assumes that the government knows where every so called “assault weapon” is and can send somebody to your door to pick them up, unless Obama has Madame Cleo and the Psychic Friends network on staff, they don't and can't. So any attempt would become a bigger joke than the Canadian attempt to register long-guns and make the feds look inept and powerless (which they DON'T want because me might get the idea to ignore other laws)....
8 posted on 12/22/2012 8:08:26 AM PST by apillar
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To: grumpygresh

Just a friendly reminder. AR-15’s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto rifles that look like military rifles.

Regards.


9 posted on 12/22/2012 8:09:08 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Oldpuppymax

There will be more mass killings at these stupid gun free zones and that’s just what the gun grabbers want. We need to propose anti confiscation legislation as a way to call out the radical Left. What might sound like an over-reach today, gun confiscation, will become acceptable later.
When the Lefties back down and say “oh, we really won’t take your guns, trust us”, make them take the vote.


10 posted on 12/22/2012 8:15:40 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: txnativegop

Congress is in Holliday recess, and will return to a much less emotional environment.
Gun grabbers should be portrayed as dancing in the blood of a tragedy to advance their ineffective and individual rights destroying agenda. Gun stores shelves are being emptied, and the emotion is ebbing and polls are showing people don’t necessarily want more gun control.

Yea, we have our work cut out for us, but this battle is far from over.


11 posted on 12/22/2012 8:16:25 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
Whoever can control the terminology can control the debate.

The left wants use to agree to ban "assault weapons", then they'll decide what an "assault weapon" is.

12 posted on 12/22/2012 8:18:15 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Wildbill22

I have been writing letters to the editor of my local paper; emails to Congress; talking with my friends.

It is about all that I can do, I just hope my fellow gun owners are doing the same.

Merry Christmas!


13 posted on 12/22/2012 8:20:16 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: tacticalogic

Good point. We should not let the left define the terms. Also, we have to give our gun friendly politicians a testosterone booster. House Speaker Bohner makes me nervous. He needs to find his balls in dealing with Obama.

Start writing letters and join GOA or the NRA.


14 posted on 12/22/2012 8:23:14 AM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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To: apillar
The main problem with “gun confiscation” is that the premise assumes that the government knows where every so called “assault weapon” is and can send somebody to your door to pick them up, unless Obama has Madame Cleo and the Psychic Friends network on staff, they don't and can't.

If the government embarked on a confiscation program (and I don't think this is politically tenable) they wouldn't be sending people to your door to pick them up. They'd make the penalties of non-compliance so severe that most owners would voluntarily turn them in themselves.

The government has incredible powers to destroy your life without ever knocking on your door. They could easily make penalties for illegally possessing an assault rifle similar to possessing child porn. Get caught with one and you go to prison. For a long time. You lose your job, your savings account, retirement accounts, your home and everything in it. Oh yeah, they'll take your kids too. Your ability to live a normal, productive life would be pretty much over.

And the neighbor or family member (even your school-aged child) who turned you in? They'll get a nice check.

15 posted on 12/22/2012 8:23:36 AM PST by Drew68
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To: onona

“I’m not worried.”

Me neither, but for reasons the ‘grabbers probably wouldn’t like.


16 posted on 12/22/2012 8:25:46 AM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: grumpygresh

Confiscation will not be door to door knocking. It will be criminalization of possession, mixed with midnight raids and selective prosecution. They will be OK, at first, with people hiding their weapons. They don’t want to provoke people to organize.

That lefty niece or brother-in-law wil be putting you on the pogrom list.

People who talk about hiding their weapons have already lost.


17 posted on 12/22/2012 8:25:57 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: grumpygresh

I’d be willing to bet that most of the people who just got religon and created record gun sales, whether they are obama loons or not, will not be giving their guns back. When this gets going, watch for it to be a little here and there to test the waters.

Then they will continue or back off confiscations depending on the result.

Or they go full tilt and intentionally start CW2 to declare marLaw.

I put nothing pat them. And anyone who doesn’t think they would try is a fool.


18 posted on 12/22/2012 8:26:57 AM PST by Norm Lenhart
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To: grumpygresh
Back in 1964, we had just come out of the Berlin Crisis and the Cuban Missile Crisis..President Kennedy had been assassinated and the US seemed like a dangerous place as far as foreign threats..We did not consider that only 50 years down the road we would be feeling that some of the major threats to our freedoms would come directly from our lawmakers in Washington, DC., though we should have been thinking about that for that has been the way of mankind since the beginning of recorded history. Very few of those in authority care more about their “subjects” than they care about themselves and the lust for power. Anyway, I was a young Mom back then and watched the Ruth Lyon's TV talk show out of Cincinnati every day. She was a great musician and had great musicians on her show. She wrote unique and touching Christmas music which they played every year during the time she raised money for toys which went to sick children in hospitals. She raised millions for sick kids over her career. Nearly all of those folks are gone now, but her music lives on in homes like mine each Christmas..This particular tune is one of my favorites for it expresses the love we have for our children at Christmas time. Considering all that has gone on the past two weeks and all those trying to make political hay on the backs of children, this tune could have been written yesterday. Marian Spellman is the artist..She was a well-known soprano and passed away in 2007..Take a listen..Get your tissue..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P3ZrVCbJeM

19 posted on 12/22/2012 8:29:46 AM PST by jazzlite (esat)
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To: Wildbill22

Gun grabbers are dancing in the blood of a tragedy to advance their ineffective and individual rights destroying agenda.


20 posted on 12/22/2012 8:33:25 AM PST by satan (Plumbing new depths of worthlessness on a daily basis.)
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To: tacticalogic

“Assault weapons... are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons — anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun — can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.”

-Josh Sugarmann, “Assault Weapons: Analysis, New Research and Legislation”, March 1989


21 posted on 12/22/2012 8:34:16 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Helotes
I wrote about this yesterday....re; the Brits disarming the Patriots.

Go back and read the Declaration of Independence.....THEN read the Bill of Rights.

22 posted on 12/22/2012 8:35:47 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: grumpygresh

Confiscation laws just another step to dismatling the constitution,one day at a time,any excuse is exceptable.


23 posted on 12/22/2012 8:35:57 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: grumpygresh

Such a law is unnecessary and dangerous. The 2A does it all and is a permanent restraint. A law would weaken the import of the 2A and laws can be rescinded at the next Congress.


24 posted on 12/22/2012 8:45:59 AM PST by expat2
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To: Oldpuppymax
Your statement was exactly what I have been trying to put to words...

"Gun grabbers must wait for more brutal killings, all of which are the result of “gun free zone” legislation, deliberately crafted to facilitate mass murder."

If you've no objections I would like to repeat in the future....

25 posted on 12/22/2012 8:48:15 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: SampleMan
"People who talk about hiding their weapons have already lost."

Correct.

Quite a few of those here on Freerepublic.

26 posted on 12/22/2012 8:51:29 AM PST by Godebert (No Person Except a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Drew68

Interesting point; however, if there are huge numbers of owners who do not turn them in, then is the government prepared to put millions upon millions of Americans in prison ontop of the existing prison population? Perhaps they do, although, we’ll be full tilt Stalinist Russia when it happens. My guess is those who have land and resources will bury them somewhere in the woods of the fruited plains all across America. I don’t think the governments resources are great enough to unearth all the units.


27 posted on 12/22/2012 8:57:21 AM PST by MachIV
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To: apillar

you really believe the federal background checks are erased after the prescribed time?


28 posted on 12/22/2012 9:51:47 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: grumpygresh

the whole confiscation issue is a dead one.

You see, aren’t gun owners frequently outdoorsmen? Do we not fish, often out alone and for extended periods of time. While, just last week I was in my canoe, fishing and cleaning my pistol collection - when out of no where, a wave capsized my canoe - sending all my pistols to the bottom of the river. Sadly, I paddled ashore, lucky to have saved both my fishing pole and my tackle box.

And that’s what happened to my handguns, sir; and as luck would have it, the same thing happened to my rifle and shotgun collection too. Now, unless you have evidence to the opposite - the gun collectors can just mosey along. The courts are required to prove guilt, I have no need to prove my innocence.


29 posted on 12/22/2012 9:52:29 AM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

They are called AR 15 not 16 because they are “almost” assault rifles.


30 posted on 12/22/2012 9:56:54 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Drew68
You lose your job, your savings account, retirement accounts, your home and everything in it. Oh yeah, they'll take your kids too.

I just placed all my assets in a trust. I no longer own anything and we have no kids. I'm retired so they can't take my job. If they want to lock me up they'll have to feed me and handle any health problems. They only have traction if they go all "third world" on me which is not impossible but I'd doubt they would get too rough with a near septuagenarian.

Regards,
GtG

31 posted on 12/22/2012 10:30:00 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Hodar
"the whole confiscation issue is a dead one.

Tell that to the people who owned Street Sweeper shotguns. The Feds reclassified them as Destructive Devices that required NFA registration. Those that could not get LEO signoff had to surrender them or face a ten year prison term for possesing an unregistered DD. Also once the amnesty registration period was over the ATF began traceing the unaccounted ones from the manufacturer's records to the first purchaser by using the records that are already required and in place for the next gun grab.

32 posted on 12/22/2012 10:30:36 AM PST by bruoz
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To: csmusaret
There is no such thing as almost. A rifle is or is not an assault rifle. If it is only semi-auto then it by definition is not an assault rifle. Being a semi-automatic only does not make it an “almost” assault rifle. If that were true then all semiautomatics can be defined as “almost” assault rifles. Definitions are very important. The press likes to call AR-15s “semi-automatic assault rifles” which is a contradiction in terms.

We cannot allow the left to define the terms by which the debate will be held...

33 posted on 12/22/2012 10:32:01 AM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

“Just a friendly reminder. AR-15’s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto rifles that look like military rifles.”

Agree. “Assault rifles” is a Leftist term used to demonize guns and gun owners. We should refrain from using the term because it has no exact definition, and that’s what the Leftists always do. So when a Lefty says they want an assault rifle or assault weapons ban, make them define it. If they say all semi-auto weapons, that would include all semi-auto rifles, pistols and double action revolvers which has to be more than 80% of guns on the market.


34 posted on 12/22/2012 10:45:16 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot)
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To: ColdSteelTalon
You correct. The semi-auto AR-15 is not an assault rifle, but it was and is an “assault weapon” as defined by the expired Federal AWB and several states’ current laws. A lot of people think the AR is short for Assault Rifle when in fact the AR stands for Armalite, the original manufacturer.
35 posted on 12/22/2012 10:50:41 AM PST by bruoz
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To: grumpygresh

I doubt that anti-gun confiscation laws have any real effect, because in the last about 20 years, major metropolitan police organizations have been told to “Go ahead and violate civil right *now*, because the litigation will take at least a year, and there will only be a small penalty paid with taxpayer money.”

Most of these violation occurred during international conferences held in these cities, with protestors, violent and non-violent outside. Importantly, many of the violations happened against people who were obviously not part of any demonstration or riot, but who were either caught unaware or were just onlookers. A man with a white shirt and tie, carrying a briefcase on a bicycle, is not your typical profile of a violent anarchist.

A good key indicator is when police put tape over their names and badge numbers.

In other situations, individuals from out of state would be brought in to violate civil rights, some of whom may not have even been LEOs, and were dressed in pseudo military uniforms while acting as paramilitaries.

To make matters worse, police in a martial law disaster area often believe that *they* are the law, and that civil rights have been suspended. They are *not* going to debate, only order and expect obedience.


36 posted on 12/22/2012 10:52:29 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

I bet you don’t have a funny bone in your arm either.


37 posted on 12/22/2012 11:06:07 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: grumpygresh

As far as I am concerned, they are called modern muskets.


38 posted on 12/22/2012 11:13:18 AM PST by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: bruoz
The old Fed AWB (modeled on the California ban which preceded it)defines an assault weapon as a semi-auto firearm that uses a detachable magazine and has more than one of the listed features: Pistol grip, flash hider, collapsing, folding or detachable stock, bayonet lug, or a barrel shroud.

You can bet the next Fed AWB ban will not allow any of the listed features (particularly the evil pistol grip) on any long gun.

39 posted on 12/22/2012 11:18:43 AM PST by bruoz
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To: apillar

Not really, IF you bought it from an FFL dealer then THEY KNOW who you are, what you bought, and when you bought it. The gubmint has already admitted to mining all electronic data, you really think they don`t mine background checks?


40 posted on 12/22/2012 3:53:04 PM PST by nomad
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To: satan

I couldn’t have said it better myself... ;)


41 posted on 12/22/2012 5:05:08 PM PST by Wildbill22 (They have us surrounded again, the poor bastards- Gen Creighton Williams Abrams)
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42 posted on 12/22/2012 9:19:26 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: csmusaret

Aaaaah I see. You got me. Missed that. :)


43 posted on 12/23/2012 12:00:50 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Oldpuppymax

this reminds me of a story down south in miami. some democrat politician tried to make political gain over some assault weapon bs. (one of the reasons btw the state took charge of eliminating local laws on the issue) It was always suspicious how the exact crime appeared exactly when he needed it. Never happened before or since.


44 posted on 12/24/2012 8:34:05 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SampleMan

obamacare doctors will ask your children.
same with teachers.

They will report it to the police as a “healthcare issue” and come to your door with a “ham sandwich” search warrent.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 9:03:54 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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