Skip to comments.Anti 'gun confiscation' laws.
Posted on 12/22/2012 7:47:13 AM PST by grumpygresh
Statements by Obama and NY governor Cuomo and others have made gun owners very worried. If we get an assault weapons ban via congressional action or presidential order, who will stop the momentum from turning to outright confiscation especially in Leftist jurisdictions. I don't know if any states currently have state laws that address this specific issue, but we need to make sure that our gun and property rights are secure from the gun grabbers at all levels.
I’m not worried.
Isn’t it true that at the time of the adoption of the Bill of Rights, the Second Amendment was considered a necessary deterent to government tyrany as an unarmed people would be vulnerable to opression?
In other words, it’s not just about being able to hunt and defend your person.
The left are too smart to begin gun confiscation, at least over the near future. Gun grabbers must wait for more brutal killings, all of which are the result of “gun free zone” legislation, deliberately crafted to facilitate mass murder. With each future mass killing, another assault will take place on the 2nd Amendment until confiscation becomes the only resort left for the protection of Americans. (At least that will be the claim of the left)
The only way to defeat confiscation will be for actual Americans to take a stand and literally fire on anyone coming for their guns.
It would probably be wise for people like Obama and Cuomo to very seriously consider what they propose....actions have consequences and unintended outcomes.
And because the 2nd A was to deter Tyranny it would require the ability of the people to have small arms of the capability to take on the weapons of the army of the tyrant which means they would have to be of at least equal capability. So this definately does not mean just hunting and self defense, hunting bears and burglars.
That means that the “assault weapon” should be specifically the type of firearm the second A was referring to and protecting.
Let’s hope that we can stop them before it comes to that.
Just a friendly reminder. AR-15’s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto rifles that look like military rifles.
There will be more mass killings at these stupid gun free zones and that’s just what the gun grabbers want. We need to propose anti confiscation legislation as a way to call out the radical Left. What might sound like an over-reach today, gun confiscation, will become acceptable later.
When the Lefties back down and say “oh, we really won’t take your guns, trust us”, make them take the vote.
Congress is in Holliday recess, and will return to a much less emotional environment.
Gun grabbers should be portrayed as dancing in the blood of a tragedy to advance their ineffective and individual rights destroying agenda. Gun stores shelves are being emptied, and the emotion is ebbing and polls are showing people don’t necessarily want more gun control.
Yea, we have our work cut out for us, but this battle is far from over.
The left wants use to agree to ban "assault weapons", then they'll decide what an "assault weapon" is.
I have been writing letters to the editor of my local paper; emails to Congress; talking with my friends.
It is about all that I can do, I just hope my fellow gun owners are doing the same.
Good point. We should not let the left define the terms. Also, we have to give our gun friendly politicians a testosterone booster. House Speaker Bohner makes me nervous. He needs to find his balls in dealing with Obama.
Start writing letters and join GOA or the NRA.
If the government embarked on a confiscation program (and I don't think this is politically tenable) they wouldn't be sending people to your door to pick them up. They'd make the penalties of non-compliance so severe that most owners would voluntarily turn them in themselves.
The government has incredible powers to destroy your life without ever knocking on your door. They could easily make penalties for illegally possessing an assault rifle similar to possessing child porn. Get caught with one and you go to prison. For a long time. You lose your job, your savings account, retirement accounts, your home and everything in it. Oh yeah, they'll take your kids too. Your ability to live a normal, productive life would be pretty much over.
And the neighbor or family member (even your school-aged child) who turned you in? They'll get a nice check.
“Im not worried.”
Me neither, but for reasons the ‘grabbers probably wouldn’t like.
Confiscation will not be door to door knocking. It will be criminalization of possession, mixed with midnight raids and selective prosecution. They will be OK, at first, with people hiding their weapons. They don’t want to provoke people to organize.
That lefty niece or brother-in-law wil be putting you on the pogrom list.
People who talk about hiding their weapons have already lost.
I’d be willing to bet that most of the people who just got religon and created record gun sales, whether they are obama loons or not, will not be giving their guns back. When this gets going, watch for it to be a little here and there to test the waters.
Then they will continue or back off confiscations depending on the result.
Or they go full tilt and intentionally start CW2 to declare marLaw.
I put nothing pat them. And anyone who doesn’t think they would try is a fool.
Gun grabbers are dancing in the blood of a tragedy to advance their ineffective and individual rights destroying agenda.
“Assault weapons... are a new topic. The weapons’ menacing looks, coupled with the public’s confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons.”
-Josh Sugarmann, “Assault Weapons: Analysis, New Research and Legislation”, March 1989
Go back and read the Declaration of Independence.....THEN read the Bill of Rights.
Confiscation laws just another step to dismatling the constitution,one day at a time,any excuse is exceptable.
Such a law is unnecessary and dangerous. The 2A does it all and is a permanent restraint. A law would weaken the import of the 2A and laws can be rescinded at the next Congress.
"Gun grabbers must wait for more brutal killings, all of which are the result of gun free zone legislation, deliberately crafted to facilitate mass murder."
If you've no objections I would like to repeat in the future....
Quite a few of those here on Freerepublic.
Interesting point; however, if there are huge numbers of owners who do not turn them in, then is the government prepared to put millions upon millions of Americans in prison ontop of the existing prison population? Perhaps they do, although, we’ll be full tilt Stalinist Russia when it happens. My guess is those who have land and resources will bury them somewhere in the woods of the fruited plains all across America. I don’t think the governments resources are great enough to unearth all the units.
you really believe the federal background checks are erased after the prescribed time?
the whole confiscation issue is a dead one.
You see, aren’t gun owners frequently outdoorsmen? Do we not fish, often out alone and for extended periods of time. While, just last week I was in my canoe, fishing and cleaning my pistol collection - when out of no where, a wave capsized my canoe - sending all my pistols to the bottom of the river. Sadly, I paddled ashore, lucky to have saved both my fishing pole and my tackle box.
And that’s what happened to my handguns, sir; and as luck would have it, the same thing happened to my rifle and shotgun collection too. Now, unless you have evidence to the opposite - the gun collectors can just mosey along. The courts are required to prove guilt, I have no need to prove my innocence.
They are called AR 15 not 16 because they are “almost” assault rifles.
I just placed all my assets in a trust. I no longer own anything and we have no kids. I'm retired so they can't take my job. If they want to lock me up they'll have to feed me and handle any health problems. They only have traction if they go all "third world" on me which is not impossible but I'd doubt they would get too rough with a near septuagenarian.
Tell that to the people who owned Street Sweeper shotguns. The Feds reclassified them as Destructive Devices that required NFA registration. Those that could not get LEO signoff had to surrender them or face a ten year prison term for possesing an unregistered DD. Also once the amnesty registration period was over the ATF began traceing the unaccounted ones from the manufacturer's records to the first purchaser by using the records that are already required and in place for the next gun grab.
We cannot allow the left to define the terms by which the debate will be held...
“Just a friendly reminder. AR-15s are not assault rifles. They are semi-auto rifles that look like military rifles.”
Agree. “Assault rifles” is a Leftist term used to demonize guns and gun owners. We should refrain from using the term because it has no exact definition, and that’s what the Leftists always do. So when a Lefty says they want an assault rifle or assault weapons ban, make them define it. If they say all semi-auto weapons, that would include all semi-auto rifles, pistols and double action revolvers which has to be more than 80% of guns on the market.
I doubt that anti-gun confiscation laws have any real effect, because in the last about 20 years, major metropolitan police organizations have been told to “Go ahead and violate civil right *now*, because the litigation will take at least a year, and there will only be a small penalty paid with taxpayer money.”
Most of these violation occurred during international conferences held in these cities, with protestors, violent and non-violent outside. Importantly, many of the violations happened against people who were obviously not part of any demonstration or riot, but who were either caught unaware or were just onlookers. A man with a white shirt and tie, carrying a briefcase on a bicycle, is not your typical profile of a violent anarchist.
A good key indicator is when police put tape over their names and badge numbers.
In other situations, individuals from out of state would be brought in to violate civil rights, some of whom may not have even been LEOs, and were dressed in pseudo military uniforms while acting as paramilitaries.
To make matters worse, police in a martial law disaster area often believe that *they* are the law, and that civil rights have been suspended. They are *not* going to debate, only order and expect obedience.
I bet you don’t have a funny bone in your arm either.
As far as I am concerned, they are called modern muskets.
You can bet the next Fed AWB ban will not allow any of the listed features (particularly the evil pistol grip) on any long gun.
Not really, IF you bought it from an FFL dealer then THEY KNOW who you are, what you bought, and when you bought it. The gubmint has already admitted to mining all electronic data, you really think they don`t mine background checks?
I couldn’t have said it better myself... ;)
Aaaaah I see. You got me. Missed that. :)
this reminds me of a story down south in miami. some democrat politician tried to make political gain over some assault weapon bs. (one of the reasons btw the state took charge of eliminating local laws on the issue) It was always suspicious how the exact crime appeared exactly when he needed it. Never happened before or since.
obamacare doctors will ask your children.
same with teachers.
They will report it to the police as a “healthcare issue” and come to your door with a “ham sandwich” search warrent.