Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why Culture Is Never Responsible for Mass Murder
Esquire ^ | 12/22/2012 | Stephen Marche

Posted on 12/22/2012 10:39:54 PM PST by nickcarraway

The NRA executive vice president has just proposed a plan that many predicted the NRA would come up with: The solution to guns is more guns. Liberal commentators are already lambasting it, but I think the news that the NRA is even discussing the matter is a positive sign. They have put a proposal on the table, and that implies that there is a problem. What was really worrying about Wayne LaPierre's remarks was the return of a very old trope — blaming Hollywood violence for real-life death. LaPierre even mentioned "celebrities" in his talk — as if Megan Fox were plugging thoughts into Adam Lanza's mind. The relation between culture and murder simply does not exist and has never existed. It just doesn't.

Below is the most relevant part of the NRA's statement, all italics theirs:

And here's another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal: There exists in this country a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells, and sows, violence against its own people.

Through vicious, violent video games with names like Bulletstorm, Grand Theft Auto, Mortal Kombat and Splatterhouse. And here’s one: it’s called Kindergarten Killers. It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research department could find it and all of yours either couldn’t or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it?

Then there’s the blood-soaked slasher films like American Psycho and Natural Born Killers that are aired like propaganda loops on "Splatterdays" and every day, and a thousand music videos that portray life as a joke and murder as a way of life. And then they have the nerve to call it "entertainment."

But is that what it really is? Isn't fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography?

In a race to the bottom, media conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate and offend every standard of civilized society by bringing an ever-more-toxic mix of reckless behavior and criminal cruelty into our homes — every minute of every day of every month of every year. A child growing up in America witnesses 16,000 murders and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18. I have to say this lengthy piece of paranoid rambling really brought me back. It was like being in the nineties all over again, with the claim by very old, very uncultured people that youth and culture were really alibis for murderousness. The good news is that because we had to go through all this in the nineties, we don't have to go through it now. The studies have been done. Here's the clearest one, which the Atlantic republished three days ago.

Common sense says as much as any study, though. Widespread mass slaughter by guns is an American disease. Everywhere else in the world consumes American culture voraciously, and yet they don't have murder as a public-health problem. Canadians and Koreans play more video games than Americans, but manage to rein in their shooting impulses. Ever seen Japanese slasher movies? Or Japanese pornography? It redefines exploitation and disgust. Japan has virtually no gun deaths. Why? One answer — I'm just saying — is that it has virtually no guns.

People much more serious than Lapierre are tempted to listen to the cultural argument about gun death. Joe Scarborough mentioned "the culture of violence" on his show, and so did President Obama during his first legislative proposal. It is imperative to note, right now, that this is garbage. There are many fascinating and difficult questions to be had over guns. Even the possibility of armed guards in schools should seriously be discussed. But the question of culture is not worth discussing. There's nothing to discuss. Culture products do not lead to an increase in murder. Period. Leave Megan Fox out of it.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; barf; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/22/2012 10:40:00 PM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

**** as if Megan Fox were plugging thoughts into Adam Lanza’s mind.***

I believe Jodie Foster was on John Hinkley’s mind when he pulled the trigger.

And the Columbine killers were fixiated on who would play them in a made-for-TV movie.


2 posted on 12/22/2012 10:44:32 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
The GOP could learn a thing or two from the NRA, which is the most successful lobbying organization the United States has ever seen.

First, when your enemies are falsely blaming you for something bad that has happened don't deny the false charges. Instead go right back at your enemies and blame them for the problem. Second, never give an inch to people who are trying to destroy you.

Hollywood and the Media hate the NRA. The NRA knows this and instead of crying about the bad things Hollywood and the Media are doing to the NRA, the NRA is now going after Hollywood and the Media and trying to cripple them.

The NRA knows how to win a culture war. Maybe it is time for the GOP to take notes.

3 posted on 12/22/2012 10:58:30 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

...our media has completely lost it...


4 posted on 12/22/2012 10:59:21 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Anyone interested in understanding the underlying training responsible for creating sociopaths in our public school system?

Guns don't kill people. Video games don't kill people.

People sufficiently disengaged from all moorings will kill people.

Our public schools have been happily creating such sociopathic messes for decades.

All according to plans laid out by progressive educators to turn our country into a Marxist paradise.

Just wondering if there is anyone out there besides myself who interested in this aspect of the Sandy Hook tragedy.

5 posted on 12/22/2012 11:00:35 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You do realize that nothing Jody Foster did actually sent signals to John Hinkley or anyone to kill anyone. Hinkley was crazy.


6 posted on 12/22/2012 11:05:25 PM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Did you know Hinkley’s father was the largest contributor to George H.W. Bush’s reelection campaign.


7 posted on 12/22/2012 11:07:25 PM PST by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

(But the question of culture is not worth discussing. There’s nothing to discuss.)

This is the typical way that liberals like to have a “conversation”. It reminds me about the way Al Gore likes to have a “conversation” about global warming: the science is settled, there is nothing more to discuss!

It’s a wonderful discussion when it’s one-way, isn’t it?


8 posted on 12/22/2012 11:13:44 PM PST by winner3000
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: winner3000

“(But the question of culture is not worth discussing. There’s nothing to discuss.)

This is the typical way that liberals like to have a “conversation”. It reminds me about the way Al Gore likes to have a “conversation” about global warming: the science is settled, there is nothing more to discuss!

It’s a wonderful discussion when it’s one-way, isn’t it?”

And if you do want to discuss the subject, leftists merely tag you as “insane”. Just as the communists did in the Soviet Union with their adversaries.


9 posted on 12/22/2012 11:17:58 PM PST by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Slyfox

You get it. It’s good to see someone else who does.


10 posted on 12/22/2012 11:23:34 PM PST by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Lurker
In my many musings I have run into only two other people who know what the hell I am talking about, besides you.

One guy said he remembered the lesson on the Andes plane crash and the resulting eating of dead bodies and he tried to joke about it with his teacher.

One mom said she opted her kids out of the classes where such desensitization was taught, and was successful at getting other parents to follow her lead.

Other than that not many people seem interested in what is the ONLY common denominator among all of the school shooters. That includes the Aurora and VA Tech shooters.

Blaming the guns is much easier than looking at what educators are really teaching. Best to keep to hidden. It might "weaken" the progressive plan.

11 posted on 12/23/2012 12:15:48 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

The solution to guns is more guns says the NRA, and the left goes bananas! How is that different then when the libs saying the answer to our debt problem is having more debt?
What QE are we on now, I think I lost count!
Or the answer to our unemployment is having
more on the unemployment rolls?

The hypocrisy just never ends.


12 posted on 12/23/2012 12:20:53 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: headstamp 2

“Culture products do not lead to an increase in murder”

The idiot offers no evidence to prove his assertion. How does he know Hollywood isn’t inciting violence?


13 posted on 12/23/2012 12:27:04 AM PST by y6162
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: AllAmericanGirl44
The solution to guns is more guns says the NRA, and the left goes bananas! How is that different then when the libs saying the answer to our debt problem is having more debt?

The solution to crime is more guns. More Guns, Less Crime is a book by John Lott that says violent crime rates go down when states pass "shall issue" concealed carry laws.

14 posted on 12/23/2012 12:39:24 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Wow. Marche is almost breath-taking in his sheer stupidity.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 3:29:32 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“The NRA executive vice president has just proposed a plan that many predicted the NRA would come up with: The solution to guns is more guns.”

I for one was very pleased with LaPierre’s response. Was afraid the NRA would cede ground.Now while I am all for more guns I did not hear LaPierre say that the solution to guns was more guns. That would imply that guns are a problem which they are not. All I heard was him calling for armed security at schools which would not require more guns.

I am also a little unclear on Lanza’s use of the Bushmaster. All the talking heads are saying he used it but I thought he left it in his trunk.


16 posted on 12/23/2012 3:53:42 AM PST by crude77
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
...a plan that many predicted the NRA would come up with: The solution to guns is more guns.

We need to be aware that phraseology is impoortant - they use it in everything to own the talking points. In this caes it's "The solution to guns is more guns". Other recent articles/statements talk about "balance" and "responsiblity".

We can never formulate our arguments by allowing them to posit some nonsense - we have to initially rephrase/destroy their initial phrases first.

17 posted on 12/23/2012 4:56:14 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Re: But the question of culture is not worth discussing. There's nothing to discuss. Culture products do not lead to an increase in murder. Period.

Really?

In the 1800's, there were no background checks, no waiting periods, no age requirements, gun locks did not exist, there were no arbitrary gun restrictions, gun safes were few and far between, yet school shootings NEVER happened. I have yet to have one person show me an example of a teen shooting up a school even though guns were much more accessible kids.

Culture is the ONLY thing which can explain these shootings.
18 posted on 12/23/2012 5:38:29 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Ya think the FACT (reported ONLY in the foreign press) that our sweet young murderer was a SATAN-WORSHIPER (check his website) had anything to do with his atrocity??

Naaaaah. Of course not.

Silly me.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 6:27:21 AM PST by Flintlock (PARANOIA--means having all the facts.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: y6162
The idiot offers no evidence to prove his assertion. How does he know Hollywood isn’t inciting violence?

He provides the evidence that other countries watch the exact same movies (and have even more violent locally-produced movies) and play the same video games, but are far less violent.

So what is your response to his evidence other than calling him an idiot? There's someone in this argument with no evidence, and it isn't the author of the piece.

The onus is on people to prove Hollywood IS inciting violence, not that Hollywood ISN'T inciting violence.

20 posted on 12/23/2012 6:47:57 AM PST by Strategerist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
It was this.


21 posted on 12/23/2012 6:51:55 AM PST by Larry Lucido
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Psycho_Bunny
Marche is almost breath-taking in his sheer stupidity.

And his hypocrisy. The same guy who is now saying Hollywood doesn't influence behavior wrote this essay last January, stating:

"Advertising works: Why do you think Americans are so fat and in debt? A world of hyperadvertising in which advertising dominates the basic functions of living will obviously be a world of hyperconsumption. We've blamed the bankers and the government for the inability of Americans to keep within sustainable limits, but everything ordinary people do, from walking down the street to sending an e-mail, tells them either overtly or clandestinely to spend more...advertising intrudes more and more surreptitiously into every aspect of life...as social-media companies dream of a world in which the persuasion is so subtle and insidious and constant and perfectly pitched that the distinction between a brand and an identity dissolves entirely, advertising has become too essential to life to treat so casually or contemptuously."

But now, 11 months later, he concludes that Hollywood doesn't influence behavior.

22 posted on 12/23/2012 6:59:32 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Red in Blue PA
In the 1800's, there were no background checks, no waiting periods, no age requirements, gun locks did not exist, there were no arbitrary gun restrictions, gun safes were few and far between, yet school shootings NEVER happened.

Don't have school-shooting rates but the murder rate in the 1800s in America was a lot higher than it is today.

Last time I checked there were no Tarantino movies or Call of Duty games in 1850.

23 posted on 12/23/2012 7:03:28 AM PST by Strategerist
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist

Nonsense. The violent Hollywood porn wave and the ACLU protected monsters commit mass murders. Not legally purchased guns.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 9:16:03 AM PST by y6162
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist

There have been many mass murders in Europe most notably the school shooting in Scotland and camp shooting in Norway.
Committed by mad men. No evidence. duh

Comparing European culture to America is an intellectually lazy tactic.


25 posted on 12/23/2012 9:23:56 AM PST by y6162
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Alaska Wolf

Believe me, I know this! I live in Chicagoland, so this is nothing new to me.

I was attempting to point out the nonstop hypocrisy...


26 posted on 12/23/2012 11:00:27 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Fluck this adminstration of misfits.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: AllAmericanGirl44
I live in Chicagoland,

At least you have the Cubs. ;^)

27 posted on 12/23/2012 11:24:29 AM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist

“He provides the evidence that other countries watch the exact same movies (and have even more violent locally-produced movies) and play the same video games, but are far less violent.”

Apples to oranges. The other countries can’t identify with the fundementals of the culture being portrayed and will - of course- be less effected by it.

But you’ll note, many foreigners actually believe our culture is how it’s portrayed in violent movies.


28 posted on 12/23/2012 1:55:31 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

if the argument that the media culture has nothing to do with a proliferation of demented mass killers, then

is there really no correllation at all with the ban on broadcast media advertizing for cigarette/cigar/chewing tobaocco products, together with the entertainment media’s carrying the tobacco-is-bad meme into every form of entertainment

and the very large decline in smoking???

or is the uber-Liberal entertainment and advertizing industries simply a bunch of hypocrites, with positions of “cultural promotion is not the problem” when it suits them and “cultural promotion is the problem” when it suits them


29 posted on 12/23/2012 3:04:08 PM PST by Wuli
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Strategerist
Don't have school-shooting rates but the murder rate in the 1800s in America was a lot higher than it is today.

And the murder rates in the 15th and 16th centuries were much higher than they were in the 17th and 18th centuries - which would indicate that murder rates aren't tied to the lethality of available technology but rather to how civilized people are and how able they are to control their violent impulses.

Long-Term Historical Trends in Violent Crime

30 posted on 12/23/2012 7:36:16 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson