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Pay-as-you-drive Britain: Ministers set to approve plans to introduce tolls on motorways and A-roads
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 08:04 EST, 22 December 2012 | Ray Massey

Posted on 12/23/2012 3:58:10 PM PST by Olog-hai

Radical plans to privatize the nation’s motorways and A-roads to create new pay-as-you drive toll roads are set to be given the green light by ministers, MailOnline can reveal.

The aim is to pump new private-sector money into the nation’s crumbling road network in a bid to ease the growing gridlock logjam at a time when cash is tight and raising taxes is politically unacceptable.

Under the Government shakeup, private firms will run and manage the roads in the same way that controversial utility companies run gas and electricity supplies.

Private companies will pay to run the roads and be able in return to levy tolls on any extra capacity—such as extra lanes or stretched or road improved “beyond all recognition.” …

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 12/23/2012 3:58:13 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

How can the British put up with this rubbish? British people paid for those damn roads.

This is the start of Agenda 21 being enacted.

Cameron may end up getting himself lynched in the Tower!

Mel


2 posted on 12/23/2012 4:19:13 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Olog-hai

Rick Perry essentially tried this scheme in Texas and nearly lost his job over it - he had to back off to keep his job.

It’s depressing how many conservatives have NO PROBLEM AT ALL with Road Pricing, and don’t even care if there’s a huge number of cameras, transponders, and databases monitoring their driving - REAL TIME.


3 posted on 12/23/2012 4:22:15 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: melsec

“This is the start of Agenda 21 being enacted.”

Tell me about it.

What is Agenda 21, by the way?


4 posted on 12/23/2012 4:24:27 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL

United Nations leftist agenda, having to do with so-called “sustainable development” but including just about every leftist theme imaginable. It’s the UN trying to make the whole world into the USSR.


5 posted on 12/23/2012 4:29:23 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: melsec

OK . . . what do toll roads have to do with Agenda 21? especially when programs such as the interstate highway system were at the beginning of big government involvement in the transportation business?

Other things such as “congestion charges” are all government schemes and ought to be eschewed, obviously.


6 posted on 12/23/2012 4:32:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: BobL

Look it up man - there is a pretty good video on you tube about it - sorry I am not good at posting links - there should be some stuff here about it too if you search for it.

Merry Christmas

Mel


7 posted on 12/23/2012 4:34:52 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Olog-hai

Government that wishes to control the movement of people. They control the weapons that the honest law abiding citizens can possess and now wish to control and track their movements. I’m surprised that they are not tracking the food they consume or the clothes they wear.


8 posted on 12/23/2012 4:34:59 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: BobL

For my part, I don’t see how conservatives are OK with taxation to support roads, especially at the federal level. Like I said in another post here, federal highway schemes were the beginning of big government involvement in the transportation business, especially what with leftist jealousy of the success of railroads (all privately owned down to the infrastructure; they were taxed into near oblivion, and only came back with deregulation and de-taxation, but the passenger rail business is permanently damaged thanks to continued overregulation).

The government not only funded roads, but also airports; there has never been a 100% private international airport in this country.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 4:36:26 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: vetvetdoug

“I’m surprised that they are not tracking the food they consume...”

Does the name Michelle ring a bell?


10 posted on 12/23/2012 4:37:02 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Olog-hai

If you read up on it you will see that the greenies want to stop us using these roads and eventually want them returned to pasture/forests etc. Charging people will mean less travel until they are not used for recreation purposes but purely for need i’e’ trucks etc - they want us locked into our little areas only travelling to and from by public transport etc.

It may have been the beginning of big government but why should people have to pay for a road twice. Unless the government wish to return people their money either by tax cuts or directly then why should they sell off and asset without people seeing a direct credit to them - especially when they will be charged to use that asset they already own in the future.

Mel


11 posted on 12/23/2012 4:41:54 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Olog-hai
So, these fuel taxes and registration taxes, they're for the roads, right? Nope, nope... They're for the massive social net that pays people to not work. So to fund the roads, which were already paid for, and to get the roads repaired, which the government has already collected taxes on, the plan is to have a third party come in and ‘manage’ the roads, and charge fees to use the roads. Meanwhile, the government's able to steal all those taxes that are supposed to go to the roads and continue funding social programs.

So, in effect, citizens who were taxed to build the roads, taxed to fund maintenance on the roads, will now have to pay a third party a third time to drive on those roads.

Best part? Government will charge the third party a fee to be allowed to do this, so gosh, even more money to steal from the roads to fund social policies.

Why does the government prosecute thieves? They hate competition.

12 posted on 12/23/2012 4:45:05 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

I’m opposed to multiple taxation too. But a truly private highway, not opposed—although I am fully aware that this is not what is being proposed here.


13 posted on 12/23/2012 4:48:41 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: melsec

I know what you mean in that respect. This idea on its face is obviously more and bigger government.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 4:49:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

What really needs to happen is for citizens to start to act on these inane plans. Make up some templates, start writing Hubris on the pavement on these roads they plan to tax even more and charge a fee to use. Heck, folks could probably find others with road jackets and official looking lights and barricades to keep anyone from thinking about what they’re doing for a second.

I’m not usually one to recommend any form of vandalism, but this, really, should be reacted to. You’ve been taxed for the roads, taxed again to maintain them, and will be charged a third time to use them, while the companies are charged for the right to repair the roads that should have been fixed in the first place.

Go ahead, start marking those roads, see how quickly the government begins to react to a rebellion by the taxpaying public to their ever deeper reaches into your pockets.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 4:51:27 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: Olog-hai

I would support tolls etc for new roads if they are being built by a company as long as the cost factors in the rent owed on our land. The charge should be in cents not dollars.

Mel


16 posted on 12/23/2012 4:59:43 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Olog-hai
and all those petrol taxes go... where???
17 posted on 12/23/2012 5:17:52 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

If they go towards putting welfare cases up in million-pound homes, then there ought to be a revolt.


18 posted on 12/23/2012 5:31:34 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
they prolly do... and it'll never happen
19 posted on 12/23/2012 5:38:27 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Olog-hai

“For my part, I don’t see how conservatives are OK with taxation to support roads”

I think what angers the Brits is that they already pay $5.00 per gallon in gas tax. I think they rightly feel that a small part of the money they pay could actually be used for the roads (i.e., 10 to 15% of that), and they are rightly suspicious that a plan to charge them even more to drive, and then charge them by where they drive, when they drive, what they drive, and maybe how much they earn, is simply a way to TOTALLY CONTROL their lives.

I happen to agree with that, although lots of conservatives would rather have their movements monitored, and controlled, as long as they’re told it’s being done privately (regardless if they have a hot-link to Interior Ministry).


20 posted on 12/23/2012 6:15:35 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Chode

Public employees pensions!


21 posted on 12/23/2012 6:30:53 PM PST by Maine Mariner
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To: Maine Mariner
yup, that too... they got their snouts into the trough up past their eyeballs
22 posted on 12/23/2012 7:10:00 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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