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Ancient city of Troy rebranded itself after war
New Scientist ^ | Tuesday, December 18, 2012 | derived from Journal of Archaeological Sciences

Posted on 12/24/2012 4:27:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv

Even ancient cities knew about rebranding. Troy was destroyed by war about 3200 years ago -- an event that may have inspired Homer to write the Iliad, 400 years later. But the famous city rose again, reinventing itself to fit a new political landscape.

Troy lies in north-west Turkey and has been studied for decades. Pottery made before the war has a distinct Trojan style but after the war its style is typical of the Balkans. This led archaeologists to believe that the locals had been forced out and replaced by populations from overseas.

But when Peter Grave at the University of New England in Armidale, Australia, and his colleagues examined the chemical make-up of the pottery, they realised that both pre and post-war objects contained clay from exactly the same local sources, suggesting the same people were making the pots.

"There is substantial evidence for cultural continuity," says Grave. So if the Trojans never left the city, why did their pottery style change?

Before the sack of Troy, the city looked east towards the powerful Hittite Empire. But this political powerhouse collapsed around the time that Troy was destroyed. Grave says the post-war pottery is Balkan in style because the Trojans were keen to align themselves with the people there, who had become the new political elite in the region.

(Excerpt) Read more at newscientist.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; trojanwar
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1 posted on 12/24/2012 4:27:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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The Dark Age of Greece
by Immanuel Velikovsky
Chapter I: The Homeric Question
The Allies of Priam
http://www.varchive.org/dag/trowar.htm


2 posted on 12/24/2012 4:33:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

One of *those* topics.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 4:34:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
I hope this hadn't been posted, I'm like you, I can't get pages to load in entire.

Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


4 posted on 12/24/2012 4:35:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Very cool!

Reading a history of the excavations at Troy as a boy led to my majoring in Atgnhropology undergrad.

Thought for sure I would unearth an ancient city some day...oh well...

5 posted on 12/24/2012 4:35:15 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; Avoiding_Sulla; ...

One of *those* topics.


6 posted on 12/24/2012 4:35:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: BenLurkin

You’re lucky, my university didn’t even *offer* Atgnhropology, and I was dying to major in it. ;’)


7 posted on 12/24/2012 4:36:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv; BenLurkin

You’re lucky. My university didn’t even have that one in the catalog, or I’d have majored in it, too. Heh.

Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!


8 posted on 12/24/2012 4:40:42 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Very Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year!)
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To: SunkenCiv
The night is young.

My spelling is likely to get progressively worse.

I'm still disappointed the world didn't end on Friday.

9 posted on 12/24/2012 4:41:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SunkenCiv

My university didn’t offer anthropology either and it was Troy University.

We did have a classics dept for a time, in fact Dr. Agnew was the smartest prof I ever had.

One time he showed the “Geography Club” of which I was a member, slides of Greece, Asia Minor, Crete etc. He had visited just about every place in the classic world.


10 posted on 12/24/2012 4:43:22 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: BenLurkin
We have an archaeological site somewhere around here ~ nobody's saying ~ that amounts to an ancient American Indian pottery barn and kiln ~ the estimates are that 20,000 people regularly lived in the immediate vicinity, so it was a major North American feature.

They made pottery according to a traditional design that ended up all over the East Coast and Midwest. Some time in the mid 1500s they swapped out the old designs and began making European style pottery!

All indications are the two types were made by the same folks from the same matrials ~ only the market had changed.

Like to note this operation was still running hot well into the 1600s ~ and in head to head competition with Jamestown.

It's not at all surprising the Trojans did the same thing.

11 posted on 12/24/2012 4:46:10 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: BenLurkin

I’m still disappointed the world didn’t end on Friday

explanation?


12 posted on 12/24/2012 4:46:10 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: SunkenCiv

Bump for tablet.


13 posted on 12/24/2012 4:48:13 PM PST by Argus
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To: SunkenCiv

14 posted on 12/24/2012 5:21:06 PM PST by Bratch
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To: SunkenCiv

Dutch did the same thing with Chinese blue.


15 posted on 12/24/2012 5:26:22 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Go Dutch?)
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To: SunkenCiv
they realised that both pre and post-war objects contained clay from exactly the same local sources, suggesting the same people were making the pots. Why would they conclude that if the same source of clay was used that it was the same people (tribe) using the clay source to make pottery?
16 posted on 12/24/2012 5:52:37 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: SunkenCiv; BenLurkin

Nice dig. LOL


17 posted on 12/24/2012 5:57:17 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: SunkenCiv

The Romans believed they were descendants of the Trojans who escaped the destruction of Troy. Under Aeneas they traveled to Rome and were the seeds of the Roman Empire.

Does anyone know if there was even a shred of evidence to support that idea?


18 posted on 12/24/2012 6:29:51 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: yarddog

Just Virgl IIRC


19 posted on 12/24/2012 6:38:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin
I'm still disappointed the world didn't end on Friday.

Me too, I put off Christmas shopping just in case...

20 posted on 12/24/2012 6:57:55 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: SunkenCiv

Was it “compassionate conservatism”?


21 posted on 12/24/2012 8:04:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Yeah, that’s an excellent point — there’s nothing in this article to justify that conclusion.


22 posted on 12/24/2012 8:08:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: yarddog

The Aeneid was commissioned as a work of political propaganda, an origin myth superimposed on the native origin myth of the twin brothers, Romulus and Remus. My guess is that the Etruscan origins in the eastern Med, like so many other things, seeped into Roman society and were adopted as Roman. IOW, there’s no truth to it per se.

http://www.varchive.org/nldag/carthage.htm


23 posted on 12/24/2012 8:09:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv; BenLurkin; blam; All

Here is an interesting video about a Mayan cave for your GGG ping list. At least I think it’s interesting my audio doesn’t work, going to force my sweetheart to play it for a Christmas present.

http://www.aol.com/video/ancient-aliens-mayan-underground/517570315/?ncid=webmail6


24 posted on 12/25/2012 1:37:42 PM PST by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv
Seems thin to me, with minimal evidence.

Why shouldn't the new population use the exact same sources of clay? It's not like THEY were forced out, and the workings should be easy to spot.

Great leaps of logic with small propulsion from facts is the hallmark of all the social sciences, although I do love archaelogy and anthropology

25 posted on 12/25/2012 4:36:40 PM PST by chesley (Vast deserts of political ignorance makes liberalism possible - James Lewis)
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To: SunkenCiv

Whatever you do, don’t read “Where Troy Once Stood” by Iman Wilkens and “The Baltic Origins of Homer’s Epic Tales” by Felice Vinci, both available on Amazon.


26 posted on 12/26/2012 11:33:20 AM PST by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

There is or was a set of pages by Edo Nyland which explored something similar, attributing the Odyssey to preRoman British sources, with the islands of Scotland the setting. But whatever you do, don't read "The Authoress of the Odyssey" by Samuel Butler. :')

The Trojan War keyword to now:
27 posted on 12/26/2012 4:55:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: gleeaikin; Renfield

I don’t have that Babylon-5 hairdo sufficient to go view that one.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 4:59:11 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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