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History Channel program probes Mayan presence in North Georgia
Morris News Service ^ | 21 Dec 2012 | Wayne Ford

Posted on 12/24/2012 8:48:15 PM PST by Theoria

On a recent December morning, Mack Jones hiked a trail bordering the lake at Sandy Creek Park in Athens before he ventured off the path and up a forested ridge. There he showed a group following him a series of mysterious stone terrace walls and rock piles.

"It's hidden in plain sight, and it's been that way for the 30 years the park has been here," Jones said. "No one has messed with it and maybe they won't."

Jones believes those numerous rock piles - and especially the stone wall terraces lacing the hillside - might constitute evidence that the ancient Mayans once established a village here in Georgia

"Maybe it's not as crazy as it seems," said Jones, who has spent much time photographing and mapping the stone works as he sought to document the site in hopes that one day archeologists will launch an investigation.

Tonight at 10 p.m. on History Channel's H2, "American Unearthed" will address the question on whether the Mayans established villages in north Georgia. The program keys on a site in Towns County known as Track Rock.

The show's producer, geologist Scott Wolter of Minneapolis, heard about the sites in Georgia, but was told by several Georgia archaeologists "that there was nothing to the Track Rock site. They knew for a fact that no Mayan immigrants ever came to the Southeast," he said in a press statement.

Contacted Wednesday, Wolter wouldn't discuss what the program will disclose.

"I can't tell you how the episode ends, but let's say I was very, very surprised at what we found," Wolter said. "This is not a matter of faith. It's a matter of evidence."

One Georgian that the History Channel producers interviewed is Richard Thornton, an architect and city planner, who has studied the Track Rock ruins, a large series of about 150 terraces. Thornton, a Dahlonega resident who is of Creek Indian ancestry, spent time in Mexico studying the ancient Indian cultures.

Thornton provided the show with information on what he has found at Track Rock, which he considers "an important archeological zone."

The show producers were told about the site at Sandy Creek Park, but Thornton said he doesn't know if they found time to visit.

"It looks very similar to Track Rock in many ways, but until you get archeologists in there doing radiocarbon dating and tests, we won't know for sure if there is a Mayan presence," Thornton said.

The program will also present DNA evidence gathered from people in the region, Thornton said. Some of the Creek Indians in the region of Track Rock provided DNA samples and tests revealed the presence of both Mayan DNA and DNA from people of South America.

Thornton's published works on Track Rock opened Jones' eyes to the possibility a Mayan connection to the Sandy Creek site.

Thornton's illustrations "showed the mounds of rocks and terracing and it looks like what I'm seeing at Sandy Creek. I call it getting my eyes right," said Jones, a graphic artist who lives in Athens.

Once Jones felt like the terraces and rock piles might have historical importance, he pondered what he should do. He contacted officials with the park and archeologists at the University of Georgia.

"Nobody was getting back in touch with me, so I wrote Thornton and he wrote me back," Jones said. "I told him it was his illustrations that made me see this out here."

According to Thornton, the show will have a surprising conclusion.

"They have absolute proof that the Mayans have been coming here for a long time," he said. "It's not just Track Rock."


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: creekindians; georgia; godsgravesglyphs; maya; mayans; scottwolter; trackrock
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1 posted on 12/24/2012 8:48:26 PM PST by Theoria
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To: SunkenCiv

Not fiscal cliff, doomsday ping.


2 posted on 12/24/2012 8:49:11 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Theoria

The History Channel really doesn’t deserve the name anymore. It’s a higher quality version of the SyFy Channel.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 8:54:06 PM PST by Terpfen (Any candidate is better than Obama. Any.)
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To: Terpfen

Did u actually watch the special? If u did not, suggest u do.
I watched it and there is hard evidence.


4 posted on 12/24/2012 8:56:57 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: Theoria

The final chemical analysis of the Mayan blue dye compared to Georgia clay was very interesting.

I believe it isn’t unusual to think that the native nations of the Americas traveled a lot more than is commonly assumed.


5 posted on 12/24/2012 9:05:15 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Theoria

The Mayans are from Mexico. They migrated to the United States. Nobody asked them to come here.

What else is new.


6 posted on 12/24/2012 9:10:59 PM PST by Beowulf9
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To: Theoria

I have seen the same sort of walls and rock piles in both S Fulton county Ga and central NC. Both locations were miles from any roads and no evidence at all of recent occupation or ag use of the land. Recent as in last 100 years or so.

If a PHD doesn’t get a huge gov’t grant to “discover” these things, they do not exist.


7 posted on 12/24/2012 9:11:29 PM PST by wrench
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To: tennmountainman

I will admit that I have wanted to know how much of N. America were the Maya and Aztecs aware of. However, all that 2012 stuff and UFO goofiness makes it hard to take them seriously.


8 posted on 12/24/2012 9:13:14 PM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: Theoria

It’s probably the Survivor Panama set.


9 posted on 12/24/2012 9:28:37 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Terpfen

The History Channel really doesn’t deserve the name anymore. It’s a higher quality version of the SyFy Channel.

it seems both are more about reality shows than anything else


10 posted on 12/24/2012 9:35:02 PM PST by 1st Division guy
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To: Theoria

Doesn’t the Mormon’s (LDS) believe that the South American Indians inhabited the US or what is now the US?


11 posted on 12/24/2012 9:47:04 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Patriot Babe

This is from the BYU Mormon Encyclopedia.

“”The Book of Mormon tells that a small band of Israelites under Lehi migrated from Jerusalem to the Western Hemisphere about 600 B.C. Upon Lehi’s death his family divided into two opposing factions, one under Lehi’s oldest son, laman (see Lamanites), and the other under a younger son, Nephi 1 (see Nephites).

During the thousand-year history narrated in the Book of Mormon, Lehi’s descendants went through several phases of splitting, warring, accommodating, merging, and splitting again. At first, just as God had prohibited the Israelites from intermarrying with the Canaanites in the ancient Promised Land (Ex. 34:16; Deut. 7:3), the Nephites were forbidden to marry the Lamanites with their dark skin (2 Ne. 5:23; Alma 3:8-9). But as large Lamanite populations accepted the gospel of Jesus Christ and were numbered among the Nephites in the first century B.C., skin color ceased to be a distinguishing characteristic. After the visitations of the resurrected Christ, there were no distinctions among any kind of “ites” for some two hundred years. But then unbelievers arose and called themselves Lamanites to distinguish themselves from the Nephites or believers (4 Ne. 1:20).

The concluding chapters of the Book of Mormon describe a calamitous war. About A.D. 231, old enmities reemerged and two hostile populations formed (4 Ne. 1:35-39), eventually resulting in the annihilation of the Nephites. The Lamanites, from whom many present-day Native Americans descend, remained to inhabit the American continent. Peoples of other extractions also migrated there.””


12 posted on 12/24/2012 10:04:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney--guns not for recreation or self-defense"sole purpose of hunting down and killing people".)
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To: ansel12

It wasn’t until 1978 Lamented would be allowed into the priesthood.

Nonsequitor, I know...


13 posted on 12/24/2012 10:10:07 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ansel12

It wasn’t until 1978 Lamenites would be allowed into the priesthood.

Nonsequitor, I know...

(fixed)


14 posted on 12/24/2012 10:11:14 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping

MerryChristmas, FRiend


15 posted on 12/24/2012 10:48:28 PM PST by indcons (Lurker mode mostly)
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To: Vendome
It wasn’t until 1978 Lamenites would be allowed into the priesthood.

Nonsequitor, I know...

(fixed)

You still got it wrong.

It's Lamanites, and they have always been allowed to hold the LDS Priesthood. It's African Blacks (Canaanites) you're thinking of.

16 posted on 12/24/2012 11:53:38 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Auntie Dem

Frickin people of coluh .....


17 posted on 12/25/2012 12:17:55 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome
It wasn’t until 1978 Lamenites would be allowed into the priesthood. Nonsequitor, I know...

(fixed)

Nonsequitur.

(fixed).

;)

18 posted on 12/25/2012 2:35:12 AM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: Theoria

Did they leave a rock saying when the Bulldogs are going to win a National Championship?


19 posted on 12/25/2012 2:53:49 AM PST by BigCinBigD (...Was that okay?)
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To: 1st Division guy

It’s a higher quality version of the SyFy Channel

I don’t think it even qualifies for that. With shows like Ice Road Truckers and the like, the channel’s History descriptive is lost.

But on the subject of the Mayans resettling in Georgia, one would have to wonder why no evidence exists closer to Mexico. Did they just wake up one day and say, “Hey, our civilization is collapsing. Let’s move to Georgia...”?


20 posted on 12/25/2012 3:03:12 AM PST by Paisan
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To: Theoria

Why not? AMericans has established outposts a hell of a lot further away than that.

What do you think they will look like in 700 years.


21 posted on 12/25/2012 3:25:14 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Beowulf9
The Mayans are from Mexico. They migrated to the United States. Nobody asked them to come here

My ancestors are from Europe. They migrated to the Americas. Nobody asked them to come here.

Turns out people always have and always will migrate.

22 posted on 12/25/2012 5:07:31 AM PST by Gunslingr3
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To: Theoria

Any civilization generally spreads out from a center, with evidence of its presence stronger the closer to that center.

This means that one would expect strong evidence of Mayan presence in the Caribbean, Florida and south Georgia, which AFAIK does not exist, not an isolated presence in north Georgia.

It’s not like they had the option of establishing free-standing colonies supported by air, like ours in Afghanistan and Central Asia.

I’ve read similar accounts of Viking presence in Minnesota or Alberta, with no particular explanation of why they would have bypassed other lands between. When the later Euro settlers of history showed up, it took them centuries to reach these areas.


23 posted on 12/25/2012 5:11:25 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: mnehring

The Stephen Lekson rules......

Everybody knew everything
Distance was not a problem
There is no coincedence


24 posted on 12/25/2012 5:15:39 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Sherman Logan

I would think they didn’t necessarily bypass the lands in between. We’re just stuck with the few places where some evidence has been found. In this case, it seems completely reasonable that Mayans might have travelled all over the Caribbean area and pushed up the coast. I suspect that wide travel and trade was wider and earlier than has often been assumed.


25 posted on 12/25/2012 5:30:06 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Theoria

They only found dirty Mayans in Georgia!


26 posted on 12/25/2012 5:36:45 AM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: Ramius

I have no problem with extensive trade, but if the Mayans were to establish settlements in North Georgia, why are the not identifiable Mayan ruins near Mobile, Pensacola and Miami?

I would think these are the ruins of the precursor tribes to the Cherokee, Creek and other tribes of Southern US.


27 posted on 12/25/2012 6:06:17 AM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: Terpfen

Higher quality? when did they ever have shows likeEureka or Stargate? Lower quality than E! Wich at least has The Soup.


28 posted on 12/25/2012 6:17:39 AM PST by dangus
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To: Terpfen

Higher quality? when did they ever have shows likeEureka or Stargate? Lower quality than E! Wich at least has The Soup.


29 posted on 12/25/2012 6:17:50 AM PST by dangus
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To: Terpfen

Higher quality? when did they ever have shows likeEureka or Stargate? Lower quality than E! Wich at least has The Soup.


30 posted on 12/25/2012 6:17:50 AM PST by dangus
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To: Fraxinus

Thing is, there is evidence the Creek migrateed from central America and western Mexico.

The ruins I have stumbled across were near major rivers, the major “highways” of early inhabitants in this country.

We do not see evidence of early settlements in this country very often, mainly because virtually no one leaves the interstates when travelling.

Here are just a couple links that are likely just modern names for ancient peoples.

http://lostworlds.org/ocmulgee_mounds/

http://www.exploresouthernhistory.com/kolomoki1.html


31 posted on 12/25/2012 6:59:44 AM PST by wrench
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To: Auntie Dem

Nope. Ain’t wrong. The people of Tonga were not allowed into the Priesthood until 1978 and they are called Lamaminites by many LDS.

A term of derision and bigotry.


32 posted on 12/25/2012 7:56:56 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: ansel12

bottom line is that the DNA shows them to ultimately be siberian based - and not Jewish.


33 posted on 12/25/2012 8:16:16 AM PST by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Terpfen
For he benefit of those who didn't see the program, the evidence presented was as follows:

1.) Topographical data taken from an aerial survey tends to suggest the presence of temple mounds identical to those found in Mayan cities. This was interesting, but not very convincing, one way or the other.

2.) Several artifacts were shown that were found in the same region of the suspected temple mounds that appear to have Mayan iconography. The match in styles was very striking, but the provenance of the artifacts was unknown.

3.) Linguistic similarities between Mayan and the local Cree tongue, including the names that several tribes called themselves seemed to be derived from classical Maya. This was interesting, but, again, not pursued in much depth.

4.) The Mayans used great quantities of a pigment known as "Mayan Blue", yet no source of the clay upon which it was based has been found in Mexico, aside from a few small deposits. However, the clay used for Mayan Blue turns out to be commonplace in the area of Georgia where the suspected temple mounds are located. An x-ray spectrograph done on a known sample of Myan Blue from Mexico showed that the clay used to make it carried the identical chemical signatiure of the Georgia clay.

In the end, it was interesting and not a completely lunatic suggestion, but not terribly well developed, but then what could you expect.

34 posted on 12/25/2012 10:09:58 AM PST by PUGACHEV
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To: Godzilla

Nohhhhh!?!?!

/s

Merry Christmas


35 posted on 12/25/2012 12:35:46 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: indcons

Merry Christmas, glad you’re still in here once in a while. :’)


36 posted on 12/27/2012 4:32:15 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Theoria; aposiopetic; Renfield; LucyT; blam

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Theoria, and for the additional ping, thanks indcons. Just adding to the catalog, not sending a general distribution.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


37 posted on 12/27/2012 4:35:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: mnehring

There was a lot of merchandise moving back and forth across very long distances in the pre-Columbian eras. If there was something the Mayans wanted here in Georgia, there is every chance the Mayans, or some representatives of their culture, came here.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 4:51:53 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Paisan

Depends on what you consider evidence. The have found turquoise from Arizona in Central American digs.


39 posted on 12/27/2012 4:56:46 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Vendome
Nope. Ain’t wrong. The people of Tonga were not allowed into the Priesthood until 1978 and they are called Lamaminites by many LDS.

A term of derision and bigotry.

Yes, you are STILL wrong. I know Tongans who held the LDS Priesthood in 1968 (and obviously long before that), and Samoans, and Hawaiians. It is you who are the bigot.

40 posted on 12/31/2012 11:35:35 PM PST by Auntie Dem (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Terrorist lovers gotta go!)
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To: Auntie Dem

You should change your inc to Auntie Dumb or flat out liar.

I’m pretty sure I know a few more Tongan’s than you and at least 200 LOS.

You are totally and completely incorrect. Mistaken too and maybe someone given to not free with the truth.

FO. HAPPY New Year.

Oh, and I spent six years taking care of my dearest friend and found a Mormon to take a shift. She and her husband were wonderful souls, Tongan and LDS. Her husband was of the Melcchedick Priesthood and gave wet many blessings, as understood in LDS doctrine .

Do not mess with the Vendome. I was learned by others before you, on this board, formerly of the LDS faith.


41 posted on 01/01/2013 12:53:45 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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