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NY Fireman shooting lack of reporting?
12/25 | t1

Posted on 12/25/2012 7:11:41 AM PST by CGASMIA68

Why nothing on the fireman shooting in NY. All the usual suspects,MSNBC,CNN void of any or little coverage. Could it be because the shooter was a certified wack job and the system released him after slaying his G Mom with a hammer. Could it be all the weapons were possibly purchased legally and if so with his past history he never should have been allowed to be near a fire arm or a hammer. Any opins/


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1 posted on 12/25/2012 7:11:44 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: t1b8zs

It’s been lead story on CBS radio news almost all morning.


2 posted on 12/25/2012 7:17:29 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: t1b8zs

nBC reporting all morning about gun mans sister is missing.
That will teach her for taking in her con brother.....


3 posted on 12/25/2012 7:19:27 AM PST by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it)
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To: t1b8zs

4 posted on 12/25/2012 7:19:27 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: t1b8zs

i’ve seen lots of coverage, especially yesterday. What I can’t find is information on what sort of rifle the nutjob used. One has to assume it was a “hunting” style rifle of the type that wouldn’t be covered by an assault weapons ban. If it were an AR style rifle it would be in the lead sentence of every story.


5 posted on 12/25/2012 7:20:18 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

If one of his weapons came from 0bama’s illegal Fast and Furious gun-running, then the news media will bury the entire incident.


6 posted on 12/25/2012 7:23:18 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: t1b8zs

Because this story is clear support of Wayne LP’s arguements. The story has been a constant on local radio


7 posted on 12/25/2012 7:26:32 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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To: t1b8zs
Here is radio traffic from fire scene. The Firefighter calling it is was shot in the leg and back and continued to relay info to the dispatch center.

The whole public safety community has been affected by this incident. It has been reported that one of the firefighters killed was also a Police Lt and the other a 9-1-1 Dispatcher, both of who were volunteers with the FD.

Thoughts and prayers to their families and friends and praying for a speedy recovery to the other 2 firefighters who were shot and currently being treated for their injuries.

8 posted on 12/25/2012 7:27:54 AM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.......)
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To: t1b8zs

Is there information on why he was released from prison after murdering his grandmother with a hammer? Why wasn’t he sentenced to be executed? Was there a plea bargain by the DA? Who was the judge who sentenced him? Who was on the parole board that released him? All of these people may well be co-conspirators in the murder of the firemen.


9 posted on 12/25/2012 7:28:19 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: t1b8zs

It doesn’t fit their gun control narrative because he obviously obtained the weapons in spite of an absolute prohibition against felons having firearms.


10 posted on 12/25/2012 7:28:30 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: RC one

This is exactly the kind of guy prisons were made for. He should have never walked free.


11 posted on 12/25/2012 7:36:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: t1b8zs

It was all over Foxnews. I think some networks don’t have their writers working today so they only recycle certain stories.


12 posted on 12/25/2012 7:40:03 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: t1b8zs

This a-hole set a trap by lighting his own house on fire and waiting for first responders to get there.

How crazy is that?

Laws will not stop the insane.You can write gun laws till hell freezes over , but if a crazy wants to kill he/she will find a way.

This incident has been very quiet in the Media, I guess it doesn’t fit their agenda.I listened to the 911 dispatch tape and it was amazing the calm and coolness with which the Firefighter on the scene and wounded was descrining the incident. That guy had balls of steel.

http://my.firefighternation.com/video/dispatch-audio-webster-new-york-firefighters-shot


13 posted on 12/25/2012 7:47:29 AM PST by Venturer
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To: cripplecreek

Yep. Guns don’t kill people. early released peior felons kill people.


14 posted on 12/25/2012 7:56:04 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: t1b8zs

If only Barry had been able to have a sit-down beer gab with him none of this would have happened. Since this country now belongs to Sam Donaldson I suggest he be immediately arrested and executed for allowing this to happen. Hey Sam, what goes around comes around.


15 posted on 12/25/2012 7:56:29 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: t1b8zs

Some people should just be terminated. Killing a relative, particularly and elderly women, with a hammer should be an executable offense. It would have saved several lives and would have probably been merciful to the nutcase who lived an obviously tortured life.


16 posted on 12/25/2012 7:59:57 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: Carl Vehse

The judge and the parole board’s pictures should be run on national news.


17 posted on 12/25/2012 8:02:17 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: vladimir998

I think you are correct.all the usuall suspects are off for Christmas.I think will see more tomorrow.

I noticed MSNBC has this prison crap on during off times.
Whats up with that crap.They want to trash the 2nd but glorify prison occupants,they are really screwed up


18 posted on 12/25/2012 8:03:44 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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To: Yo-Yo

Please don’t let the left define the terms....with the term ‘hunting rifle’. Many ‘hunting rifles’ are semi-auto, fire a more high energy round than an AR15, and can accept large magazines.

If the ban the ‘assault weapons’ based on their semi auto capability, they have banned most rifles and pistols.

As to the OP, this felon was probably not allowed to own any gun ..so this episode demonstrates the futility of gun laws. Doesn’t fit the narrative quite right.


19 posted on 12/25/2012 8:06:58 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: RC one

I don’t have any issue with former felons being armed but those who are too dangerous to own a weapon are too dangerous to be released in the first place.


20 posted on 12/25/2012 8:07:41 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 9422WMR

She didn’t take him in. The mother did and when she died he snapped


21 posted on 12/25/2012 8:17:30 AM PST by GreaterSwiss
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To: FreeAtlanta
In the 1980 murder news story, Assistant DA Louis Pilato and Monroe County Court Judge Eugene W. Bergin both agreed to Willilam Spengler's last second plea bargaining to manslaughter (just as jurors were to be brought in), despite the admission that such a late plea is not normally accepted. (A 25-year prison sentence resulted.)

These men bear some of the moral guilt for the murders of the firemen.

22 posted on 12/25/2012 8:18:01 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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To: 9422WMR
That was the family home for many years. The family actually owned 2 houses...side by side on Lake Road. I only looked up the one. No. 191 is in his name.

I'm having trouble swallowing his friend's story that he loved his mother...hated his sister...because he beat his grandmother to death with a hammer. The guy loves no one.

And I'd check on the friend....cons hang with cons.

And the guns....we are surprised why??

Bad people have guns and kill people.

Good people have guns but don't kill people. Got it !!

Our police chief is noticeably angry that this guy was set ever free. We all feel the same. THE SYSTEM IS WRONG. LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE...OR THE NEEDLE.

23 posted on 12/25/2012 8:26:28 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Carl Vehse

There was a plea deal....Manslaughter instead of Murder 1....the difference being (as the general point) premeditation. I’m sure they will dig up all the old articles.


24 posted on 12/25/2012 8:29:51 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: lacrew
Please don’t let the left define the terms....

Hence my quotes around "hunting."

25 posted on 12/25/2012 8:32:47 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Carl Vehse

Absolutely....


26 posted on 12/25/2012 8:33:38 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: t1b8zs

From the NBC story posted on another thread:

“Police would not say what kinds of guns Spengler used,but as a convicted felon,he could not legally own firearms.”

I wonder WHERE and HOW he got the weapon(s)?

Maybe that’s one of the reasons for the lack of coverage....


27 posted on 12/25/2012 8:38:37 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: t1b8zs
It appears that William was the executor for the grandmother he killed and inherited her house at 193 Lake Road...It is right next door to the house he was living in with his wife Arline G. at No. 191 Lake Road...and the address given for the fire.

We have not even heard the name of the wife (probably ex.)in the local media.

It appears that neither the sister or his mother had any interest in the property.

28 posted on 12/25/2012 8:55:44 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GreaterSwiss

Neither the mother nor the sister appear to have any interest in the property. So he took THEM in.


29 posted on 12/25/2012 8:58:18 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: GreaterSwiss

I got this ALL wrong....His father was also william and his mother was Arline who died a short while ago. William JR, the killer, owned nothing that I can find.


30 posted on 12/25/2012 9:12:26 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: WildHighlander57

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121225/us-fire-shooting-weapons/?utm_hp_ref=sports


31 posted on 12/25/2012 9:29:33 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: t1b8zs

Back in the 1960s and 1970s firemen would not go into certain areas of cities because they were being shot at when they responded to a fire.


32 posted on 12/25/2012 9:46:32 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: t1b8zs

Is’nt it time we recognize this threat to our first respoonders for what it is?

Fire department response personnel are mobile ‘firearm free zones’?


33 posted on 12/25/2012 9:48:20 AM PST by hockea (1z2z)
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To: t1b8zs

Is’nt it time we recognize this threat to our first responders for what it is?

Fire department response personnel are mobile ‘firearm free zones’?


34 posted on 12/25/2012 10:03:19 AM PST by hockea (1z2z)
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To: Yo-Yo

Police said Spengler was using a Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle – the same gun as used by the gunman in the Newtown massacre. He was also armed with a .38 revolver and a shotgun.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/12/25/webster-police-gunman-left-chilling-note-before-luring-firefighters-into-trap/


35 posted on 12/25/2012 10:08:52 AM PST by ironman
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To: Carl Vehse
In the 1980 murder news story, Assistant DA Louis Pilato and Monroe County Court Judge Eugene W. Bergin both agreed to Willilam Spengler's last second plea bargaining to manslaughter (just as jurors were to be brought in), despite the admission that such a late plea is not normally accepted. (A 25-year prison sentence resulted.)

These men bear some of the moral guilt for the murders of the firemen.

Let us not leave out the most guilty of all, the defense lawyers and their firms, who get those that they know are guilty lighter sentences or even entirely off.

36 posted on 12/25/2012 10:40:43 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: t1b8zs

Not to diminish the issue, but... Doesn’t this happen every year on OCT 30 throughout Detroit?


37 posted on 12/25/2012 11:02:41 AM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: ironman

An actual Bushmaster, or do reporters just call every AR pattern rifle a Bushmaster now? A felon would not be allowed to own or possess one regardless.


38 posted on 12/25/2012 11:24:58 AM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
It was indeed a Bushmaster per LE.

And a felon would not be able to own a firearm. True...And that's the point....Tighter gun laws are useless. Felons friend's are felons...they'll get you whatever you want for bucks.

And that was the point of fast and furious...our oh so clever plot to infiltrate the firearms black market. How'd that work out again??

39 posted on 12/25/2012 12:08:54 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: t1b8zs

Christmas in rural Iowa has seen this headlined in every local newscast as well as on HLN.


40 posted on 12/25/2012 2:28:43 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: t1b8zs

I heard all the weapons were stolen which is bad for gun-grabbers. If the guns were illegal, no law would have stopped his actions.


41 posted on 12/25/2012 2:35:47 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Doesn’t say HOW he got ahold of em....

If from another felon/ obtained illegally, then it shows that the gun grabbers arguments are INVALID..... criminals will always get weapons.

And why should law abiding people be punished for the actions of the criminals


42 posted on 12/25/2012 3:54:33 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Carl Vehse

“Is there information on why he was released from prison after murdering his grandmother with a hammer?”

My understanding is he plea-bargained down to a manslaughter charge.


43 posted on 12/25/2012 4:11:28 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: WildHighlander57
Bad people will ALWAYS get ahold of weapons for the criminal activity.

No one ever talks about the crazy muslim Hasan at Fort Hood. That was all about PC and still is...And Obama has blood on his hands on that one.

The one in Ct is about Mental Illness. So is the theater shooting.

The one in Webster is about letting dangerous, sick criminals loose.

There was that sick bas**** in Rochester who was killing prostitutes (maybe 20 of them). He had killed TWO children elsewhere and was relocated to Rochester.

It's the system. It's sick and broken.

44 posted on 12/25/2012 4:21:02 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: fella

This is the DA’s Office saving money and the idiots on the parole board who said he was just so wonderful and should go back into society. Did he ever work?? Or were we supporting the SOB, too.


45 posted on 12/25/2012 4:25:32 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Yo-Yo

What got my attention was the distinction you made between a hunting rifle and ‘the type that would be covered by an assault weapons ban.’

Hunting rifles can be semi-auto, and accept a large magazine. I don’t think we are in a ‘bayonet mount’ fight this time. They are going to make an attempt on semi-auto weapons....after first assuring us that it won’t affect hunting rifles.

I would much rather define the terms based on capability, and not use. So, instead of talking about ‘hunting rifles’ and ‘assault weapons’, we should be discussing fully automatic assault rifles (already highly restricted, but I swear most people believe one was used in Newtown, due to deliberate confusion of terms), semi-automatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns, and manually reloaded weapons (bolt and lever action).

This way, the left can’t obscure their intent...while wildly shouting that they aren’t going to take hunting rifles. For example. if they say ‘we want to ban semi-automatic weapons’, hunters will know exactly what is at stake....as opposed to ‘we want to ban assault weapons but you can keep your hunting rifle’, which is a deliberate lie.


46 posted on 12/26/2012 8:52:33 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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