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Adolf Hitler in Religious Surroundings: Is There Really Evidence That the Führer Was a Christian?
no-pasaran ^

Posted on 12/26/2012 3:21:27 PM PST by virgil283

"On Christmas Eve, No Pasarán posted an article giving evidence that Adolf Hitler wanted to replace Christianity with the "religion" of National Socialism. A couple of readers have taken issue with this and, between them, they offer more than a dozen photos of der Führer or other Nazi leaders in religious settings in order to show, apparently, that Christianity was an integral element in the Nazis' seizure of power and in their scheme of power proper. So let us take an in-depth, dispassionate look at the evidence they bring......."

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1 posted on 12/26/2012 3:21:30 PM PST by virgil283
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To: virgil283

There is a photo of him meeting with some moslem mufti, so by this reasoning he must have been a moslem.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 3:28:06 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: virgil283

are you kidding?


3 posted on 12/26/2012 3:28:48 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (the mature Christian is almost impossible to offend)
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To: virgil283
I thought he was bent on restoring the Aesir.



Keep Faith with the Fallen of Benghazi! Let the Obama Regime, for once, tell the Truth!

Fiat Justitia, Ruat Coelum!

Genuflectimus non ad principem sed ad Principem Pacis!

Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The LORD hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. (Isaiah 49:1 KJV)

4 posted on 12/26/2012 3:32:53 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: virgil283

I know Hitler told General Heinrici who was a devout Christian that his Christianity was not compatible with being a German general.

On the other hand, I don’t think Hitler made any real threats against him, probably mainly because the General was a defensive genius.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 3:34:55 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: virgil283

You don’t have to be a Christian to be photographed in a religious setting. Obama’s presence at Rev Wright’s church is recent evidence of that.

Furthermore, it is well-documented that the Nazi Party got leaders of the Lutheran Church in Germany to allow the church to be turned into the German Church. At that point, it ceased to be Christian. Deitrich Bonheoffer and some others tried to bring the church back, but failed and then they created the Confessing Church to give German Christians an alternative to the state-run religion.

High-ranking church leaders are easy to influence because they often love the trappings of wealth and power more than they love Christ.


6 posted on 12/26/2012 3:35:00 PM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: virgil283

Yeah.....they have pictures of me in a garage with great frequency....doesn’t make me a car. Dolts


7 posted on 12/26/2012 3:35:48 PM PST by Nifster
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To: virgil283

Hitler also recievfed and replied to several letters from Mahatma Ghandi. Did that make him a pacifist?

Churches in Germany under the NAZI were required to remove the Bible from their communion tables and replace it with a copy of Mein Kampf. They also replaced the Cross with a sword.

Yeah real Christian


8 posted on 12/26/2012 3:39:57 PM PST by Fai Mao
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To: virgil283

Hitler was born into a Catholic family but he abandoned Christianity in his teen years for weird blend of occultism/manichaenism. He was heavily influenced by Nieztche, Wagner, and Shopenohauer. And in his dualistic Manichaen world, what we consider to be good...i.e. forgiveness, compassion, love etc, he considered to be evil and vice versa.

Hitler hated Christianity.


9 posted on 12/26/2012 3:40:55 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: virgil283

Here are some direct quotes from Hitler concerning Christianity. See if you think he was a Christian.

http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2008/12/14/hitlers-war-on-christianity-quotes/


10 posted on 12/26/2012 3:42:38 PM PST by CatherineofAragon (Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization)
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To: virgil283

Hitler worshiped demons.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 3:44:44 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: virgil283

He was born a Catholic but left no evidence of ever having been Christian as an adult. He attempted to co-opt and use the German State Church, which was Lutheran, for propaganda and control purposes. In this he had some small degree of success but his efforts were decidedly not in the favor of anything resembling Christianity. In his personal life, he apparently held Teutonic paganism in high esteem.

So, if “once a Catholic, always a Catholic” is true, he was a very lapsed one who attempted to distort the Protestant State Church beyond all recognition and elevated folk mythology above it.

Doesn’t sound very Christian to me.


12 posted on 12/26/2012 3:45:11 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ought-six; virgil283

And being photographed with Mitt Romney and George W Bush thus makes 0bama a republican and either a morman or a methodist.


13 posted on 12/26/2012 3:45:11 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: ought-six; virgil283

And being photographed with Mitt Romney and George W Bush thus makes 0bama a republican and either a morman or a methodist.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 3:45:28 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: virgil283

Out of Mr. Hitler, why would we expect anything other than a cold, Machiavellian attempt to co-opt whatever “religious good will” he could get?

Personally, he seemed to be enamored of the Norse gods.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 3:46:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: virgil283

While he may have been brought *up* Christian he was no more a Christian in his *adult* life than Ted Kennedy was.


16 posted on 12/26/2012 3:47:05 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (When Robbing Peter To Pay Paul,One Can Always Count On Paul's Cooperation)
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To: virgil283

No. There is no evidence. The Scripture says that Christians are known by their fruit. Obviously, Christ was not residing in this man’s heart.

Now, if you want to talk about the fruits of socialism, I think we’ve got plenty of evidence to convict.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 3:47:05 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth
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To: virgil283
One of the documentaries on Hitler said he was raised as a Catholic, including singing in the church choir.

As a young adult, he was supposedly rebuff by a married Jewish woman at a picnic, if memory serves.

"Coveting his neighbor's wife" was only the beginning of his disdain for The Ten Commandments.

IMHO, the "artistic temperament" disdains convention, and Hitler was incomplete as an artist (couldn't depict people to save his life, but was good enough to make a living off of land and building-scapes), but loved the histrionics of power.

18 posted on 12/26/2012 3:51:03 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: virgil283

Officially Hitler was a Christian. But given his clear association with occult of the pagan type, he clearly gave up the tenets of the Christian faith long before he came to power.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 3:54:52 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Hitler like Himmler were occultist. They believed in some odd nordic gods and the ruins. Hitler was facinated with holy relics. The spear of Destiny and the others from the Indiana Jones movies. He was not even close to being a Christian.


20 posted on 12/26/2012 3:56:53 PM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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A little off topic, but I doubt any historian would argue about Hitlers animosity to Christianity, in particular the Catholic Church, and his unsuccessful attempt to replace Christianity with the Reichchurch, essential a pagan belief system with Christian symbiolism (spelled that wrong I bet). Largely unsuccessful, particularly amongst Catholics, forcing him to take the long term view via Hitler youth. And yes, I'm familiar with his relations with the Vatican, and the fact that Christians supported him just as they opposed him. Which doesn't change the fact that the thousand year Reich would have been pagan by the second or third generation.

21 posted on 12/26/2012 3:57:22 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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A little off topic, but I doubt any historian would argue about Hitlers animosity to Christianity, in particular the Catholic Church, and his unsuccessful attempt to replace Christianity with the Reichchurch, essential a pagan belief system with Christian symbiolism (spelled that wrong I bet). Largely unsuccessful, particularly amongst Catholics, forcing him to take the long term view via Hitler youth. And yes, I'm familiar with his relations with the Vatican, and the fact that Christians supported him just as they opposed him. Which doesn't change the fact that the thousand year Reich would have been pagan by the second or third generation.

22 posted on 12/26/2012 3:57:44 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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A little off topic, but I doubt any historian would argue about Hitlers animosity to Christianity, in particular the Catholic Church, and his unsuccessful attempt to replace Christianity with the Reichchurch, essential a pagan belief system with Christian symbiolism (spelled that wrong I bet). Largely unsuccessful, particularly amongst Catholics, forcing him to take the long term view via Hitler youth. And yes, I'm familiar with his relations with the Vatican, and the fact that Christians supported him just as they opposed him. Which doesn't change the fact that the thousand year Reich would have been pagan by the second or third generation.

23 posted on 12/26/2012 3:58:37 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: virgil283

After the butchery of young men in World War I, was a series of three plagues which afflicted young men and women as well. The first of these was the devastating Spanish flu, which is the worst modern plague, killing millions.

But it was followed with two far more enigmatic plagues, that were less common, but still devastating. The first was called “Encephalitis lethargica”, which left many people in a “waking coma”, and was depicted in the movie ‘Awakenings’, about a potential treatment found for these people many years later.

The third plague is the most enigmatic one of them all, of which very little is known. At the time it was called “brain fever”, and though it killed many, those that survived were known to experience deep paranoia and hate filled rages.

Adolf Hitler and many of the other Nazi leaders may have been afflicted with this brain fever, and the disease might have been instrumental in the creation in some of their aggressive and murderous political doctrines.

Added to this the strong decline of religion in Europe for many years, along with philosophies that despised it, makes it far less likely that Hitler saw Christianity as little more than just another system to subvert to the support of the state.


24 posted on 12/26/2012 4:01:10 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Hitler was a pantheist, not a Christian. He believed that Nature was god. Before the crowds, he used the term “Lord” but he meant pantheism. Hitler’s Table Talk, written in the 1940’s, which records his private conversations with his own henchmen, is actually more riddled with anti-Christian sentiments than anti-Semitism. Comments such as the following are very abundant in Hitler’s Table Talk, “I promise you that if I wanted to I could destroy the Church in just a few years. It is hollow, it is rotten and false through and through. One push and the whole structure would collapse. We should trap the preachers by their notorious greed and self indulgence. We shall thus be able to settle everything with them in perfect peace and harmony. I shall give them a few years’ reprieve. Why should we quarrel? They will swallow anything in order to keep their material advantage. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves; they will betray God for us. They will betray anything for the sake of their miserable jobs and incomes.”


25 posted on 12/26/2012 4:02:50 PM PST by Olympiad Fisherman
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Madonna was baptized catholic too. they both sold their souls.


26 posted on 12/26/2012 4:08:37 PM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: virgil283

You have to have an IQ in the single digits, have never heard of Hitler or Christianity, or be such a dyed in the wool Leftist that you will believe absolutely ANYTHING as long as it is against all that is good or true to believe that Hitler was a Christian!

Check yourself into a clinic if you REALLY think that Hitler was anything like a Christian and read the New Testament a couple hundred times so that you can achieve at least some grasp of reality.

Hitler killed the Jews and the Christians were next. Hitler made a phony bible to promote his twisted views.

If Hitler said that he was a Catholic, it would’ve been that same as if he had said that he was an oak coffee table. You can say anything, but that doesn’t make it true.

Obama claims to be a Christian, yet he favors the muslims and listened to “Rev” Wright’s racist, ungodly, anti-American evil feckless ramblings for years.

“By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?”
~Matthew 7:16


27 posted on 12/26/2012 4:09:22 PM PST by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: HerrBlucher

You are so right. And more than that, Hitler was the creature of Dietrich Eckhart, a homosexual satanist.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 4:13:00 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: HerrBlucher

You are so right. And more than that, Hitler was the creature of Dietrich Eckhart, a homosexual satanist.


29 posted on 12/26/2012 4:13:18 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: HerrBlucher

You are so right. And more than that, Hitler was the creature of Dietrich Eckhart, a homosexual satanist.


30 posted on 12/26/2012 4:13:32 PM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: virgil283

Some photos, huh? It would be a lot more convincing if you could show me what Christian principles Hitler lived by. And hating the Jews doesn’t make one a good Christian.

I don’t think he was big into Love Thy Neighbor or Turn the Other Cheek.


31 posted on 12/26/2012 4:22:58 PM PST by rbg81
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To: GreyFriar

No, if you look closely at the photos he took with Bush and Romney, his fingers were crossed. Makes all the difference.


32 posted on 12/26/2012 4:26:47 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: virgil283

I once spoke to a Rastafarian, does that make me a Rastafarian?


33 posted on 12/26/2012 4:33:15 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: virgil283

If Hitler was a Christian, he wasn’t a very good one.


34 posted on 12/26/2012 4:51:53 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: ConorMacNessa
Let me inquire of your Celtic second sight and ask that if Hitler were pictured in a garage, would he then be considered a Buick?

Other than that, I hope you are feeling better.

35 posted on 12/26/2012 4:58:09 PM PST by tbpiper
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To: virgil283

Hitler attends the same church as Bronco Bama, The Church of ME ME ME...


36 posted on 12/26/2012 4:59:07 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: virgil283

There’s evidence Hitler wasn’t a Christian. It was that pesky genocide thing.


37 posted on 12/26/2012 5:10:59 PM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: virgil283

By their fruits ye shall know them.
—Matthew 7:16


38 posted on 12/26/2012 5:28:31 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("If you're going through hell, keep on going."--Winston Churchill)
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To: virgil283

There may be more evidence that the German Fuhrer was a Christian, than the Amerikan Fuhrer is.


39 posted on 12/26/2012 5:29:17 PM PST by 21st Century Crusader (August 26, 1191)
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To: virgil283

There is no definition of Christian that would include the adult Hitler.


40 posted on 12/26/2012 5:33:37 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: virgil283

Hitler also praised Roosevelt’s economic and social programs:

He “told American ambassador William Dodd that he was ‘in accord with the President in the view that the virtue of duty, readiness for sacrifice, and discipline should dominate the entire people. These moral demands which the President places before every individual citizen of the United States are also the quintessence of the German state philosophy, which finds its expression in the slogan “The Public Weal Transcends the Interest of the Individual.”

I doubt that Hitler was ever so effusive in praise for either the Roman Catholic or believing (non-Nazi) Lutheran clergy.


41 posted on 12/26/2012 5:54:47 PM PST by Skepolitic
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To: virgil283
I don't know what Hitler was or was not. I do know that for the most part muslims were at the very least sympathetic to Naziism for the most part , up until the end when he was about to lose. Israel hadn't been founded at the time so we can't say it was because of their wanting their land back.

Just sayin'

42 posted on 12/26/2012 6:29:04 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: virgil283

People who are possessed by satanic spirits are masters at deception..as Satan is.

We have a president who is such. Remember letting the phrase out..endowed by our creator? Several times in his speeches?


43 posted on 12/26/2012 6:51:55 PM PST by crz
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To: virgil283
Catholic Church and Nazi Germany
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_Nazi_Germany

Vatican City during World War II
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatican_City_during_World_War_II

Catholic Church Reveals World War II Secrets
http://abcnews.go.com/International/Story?id=2463378&page=1#.UNuv6qwieSo

The Church's role in the Nazi Holocaust
http://www.religioustolerance.org/vat_hol12.htm

Vatican plans to open secret war archives - 7/7/2006

"But in a clear attempt to counter such claims, and therefore improve relations between Jews and Catholics, the Pontiff has ordered that "all documentary sources", from 1922 until February 1939, be made available for historical research."

"Most Jewish spokesmen welcomed the Vatican's decision, but some insisted that the Church must also open all its files from the World War Two years, 1939-1945."
http://archive.catholicherald.co.uk/article/7th-july-2006/4/vatican-plans-to-open-secret-war-archives

Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

"The International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission (ICJHC), a group comprised of three Jewish and three Catholic scholars, was appointed in 1999 by the Holy See's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews. In October of 2000, the group of scholars finished their review of the Vatican's archives, and submitted their preliminary findings to the Comission's then-President, Cardinal Edward I Cassidy. Their report, entitled "The Vatican and the Holocaust," laid to rest several of the conventional defenses of Pope Pius XII."

"The often-espoused view that the Pontiff was unaware of the seriousness of the situation of European Jewry during the war was definitively found to be inaccurate. Numerous documents demonstrated that the Pope was well-informed about the full extent of the Nazi's anti-Semitic practices. A letter from Konrad von Preysing, Bishop of Berlin, that proved that the Pope was aware of the situation as early as January of 1941, particularly caught the attention of the commission. In that letter, Preysing confirms that "Your Holiness is certainly informed about the situation of the Jews in Germany and the neighboring countries. I wish to mention that I have been asked both from the Catholic and Protestant side if the Holy See could not do something on this subject...in favor of these unfortunates." The letter, which was a direct appeal to the Pope himself, without intermediaries, provoked no response. In 1942, an even more compelling eyewitness account of the mass-murder of Jews in Lwow was sent to the Pope by an archbishop; this, too, garnered no response."

"The commission also revealed several documents that cast a negative light on the claim that the Vatican did all it could to facilitate emigration of the Jews out of Europe. Internal notes meant only for Vatican representatives revealed the opposition of Vatican officials to Jewish emigration from Europe to Palestine. "The Holy See has never approved of the project of making Palestine a Jewish home...[because] Palestine is by now holier for Catholics than for Jews." Some Catholic higher-ups violated this position of the Vatican by helping Jews to immigrate when they were able to; most did not."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

Vatican politics continue today:

Roman Catholic Cleric, Celebrates Palestinian State - (12/24/2012) http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2972395/posts

44 posted on 12/26/2012 7:22:00 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: haffast
The Roman Catholic Church was taking in Jews when Roosevelt and Hitler's helper Breckenridge Long refused to fill immigration quotas, or allow in refugees. The failure of the church was to condemn and defrock the Ustasha collaborators.
Did you expect the RCC to go to war with Mussolini and Hitler?
45 posted on 12/26/2012 7:53:40 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: virgil283
LOL, there were Pope's that were not Christian. How asinine.
46 posted on 12/26/2012 8:39:22 PM PST by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: virgil283

Well there’s plenty of evidence he WASN’T.


47 posted on 12/26/2012 8:52:13 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Olympiad Fisherman
Agreed. Like I said OFFICIALLY he was a Christian. But he was a pagan in the heart and wanted to move the people back to essentially pre-Christian paganism in one form or flavor or another. There are a number of books about Hitler the Nazis and their associations with the occult. Its a very well documented subject.

Regards.

48 posted on 12/26/2012 9:27:34 PM PST by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: virgil283

The question of Hitler being a Christian or not has long been a point of contention for me. The issue I take here is that it makes no sense that Adolph Hitler should be transformed by the forgiving power of Christ and yet be compelled to commit genocide against the people of which the Bible says:

“I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”

Even if one operates on the assumption that there is no God (which I certainly reject outright) then one would expect Adolph’s religion to affect his outlook, but we see the opposite. Hitler’s political agenda is causal upon his identity, and so if Hitler is a National Socialist, then his Christianity must also uphold his concept of National Socialism.

This is the problem of Hitler’s so-called Christianity: The “theology” of the Reichskirke was one that enabled an evil political agenda. It is a “theology” and “morality” that compels the mass murder of “undesirables.” It is not a genuine theology or morality, and I am convinced that the “Christianity” of the Third Reich is not one that saves. This is because it worships a Christ that did not pay the debt for sin nor would he be a suitable sacrifice. It worships an “Aryan” Christ with blonde hair and blue eyes that never existed - a “Christ” that is not God. It is a cheap Christ that offers cheap grace - and in the end you get what is paid for.


49 posted on 12/26/2012 10:35:01 PM PST by conservative_crusader (The voice of truth, tells me a different story. The voice of truth says do not be afraid.)
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To: rmlew
Did you expect the RCC to go to war with Mussolini and Hitler?

No. They helped put them in power.

As a 21st century man looking back at 20th century men and at the times and place they lived in, I believe I see that by the Vatican's actions they followed their Adamic nature to save their own skin while ignoring "social justice" for the Jews.

Currently, the RCC is after what they have always coveted, Jerusalem, and their great concern is "social justice" for the dispossessed Palestinian Islamic terrorists, only because it serves their political needs for leverage against Israel to wrest away the object of their covetousness. In either century, the Jews draw the short straw, as is their fate until they come to recognize their real messiah.

If choosing sides invokes error, I'll err on the side of the Jews, and let the RCC and the PLO rail against me.

Mussolini and Hitler are reflections of the people who put them in power in their time, just as Obama is a reflection upon the majority of people in this country who voted for him. Who is drawing the short straw now? Both Christians and Jews, and that was foretold by the prophets of God, and His Son.

50 posted on 12/27/2012 10:18:18 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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