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Does an NFA reg turns your residence into a search at will zone?
December 27, 2012 | Interweb tubes

Posted on 12/27/2012 3:00:19 PM PST by kiryandil

Seeing that the CA Fascist thug from the US House of Lords, Dianne "Brownshirt" Feinstein. is threatening law-abiding US peasants with forced National Firearm Act registration of ALL semi-automatic weapons, the question arises:

Can the BATF search your house at will if you have an NFA registered weapon?

I have seen this answered in the affirmative elsewhere.

Basically, the Fascist thug old bat wants to get rid of the 4th Amendment for gun-owning peasants, as she knifes the Second Amendment in the back.


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I think we need a national .gov gunthug registry.
1 posted on 12/27/2012 3:00:31 PM PST by kiryandil
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To: kiryandil
I think we need to see homeowners "explain" to the BATF that this isn't going to happen easily.

Why buy the stuff if you're not going to use the stuff, and if you'll hand it over to the first guy who asks for it? Why'd you spend the money????

2 posted on 12/27/2012 3:03:19 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: kiryandil

Yes


3 posted on 12/27/2012 3:03:33 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize - Voltaire)
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To: kiryandil

Why do you ask?

Were you planning on registering something?

Really?

eefm!

It won’t pass anyway.

Let BO try some EO crap, and see how that works...


4 posted on 12/27/2012 3:06:07 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: kiryandil
There are going to be a lot of unfortunate boating accidents.
5 posted on 12/27/2012 3:07:44 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: G Larry
Were you planning on registering something?

Do I look like the kind of guy who registers his Natural Rights?

Why do you ask?

People need to get their minds right before Boss Dianne finds her dirt in their holes...

6 posted on 12/27/2012 3:10:07 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: G Larry

“It won’t pass anyway.”

Plan as if it will. Too many times we heard the famous last words, “Oh, that will never happen.”


7 posted on 12/27/2012 3:10:08 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: kiryandil

Personally, I doubt this will come to anything, or survive its first Supreme Court test if does.

Non-starter, IMO.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 3:10:33 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: kiryandil


9 posted on 12/27/2012 3:12:10 PM PST by Theoria
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To: G Larry

An old relative in Norway (lived through the NAZI occupation) has his old .22 single-shot rifle registered with the government. Registration in Norway has been around forever - the first thing the Germans did was go to the town’s courthouse and get the records of gun owners and take the guns and keep a watch on the owners.

My dad said he was amazed at the animals that relative’s .22 has taken: ducks and geese, deer, and even some animals on an African Safari! ;)


10 posted on 12/27/2012 3:13:49 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: kiryandil
NO. Even if Congress should pass such a law, it would take years to get to the USSC for such specifics in regard to their recent ruling. They would have to deal with every little evil looking nuance a particular weapon has.

I doubt they would take the case which would leave it to the States. Even if they did, I highly doubt even Roberts would rule that semi-autos (handguns included) to be unlawful.

I wouldn't worry about this. Obambi doesn't have the cojones to sign an EO outlawing semi's. He may be brazen enough to sign other EO's, but he won't attempt such a complete overthrow of our system. Yes, I know liberals and incrementalism, but this just won't happen.

11 posted on 12/27/2012 3:17:41 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
There are going to be a lot of unfortunate boating accidents.

I'm more in favor of local "I Ain't Registering My Semi-Autos; Whaddya Gonna Do About It?" peaceable assemblage parties with a hundred or two of your closest semi-auto owning friends & acquaintances at convenient public venues - designed to make the would-be enforcers pony up with an immediate answer.

12 posted on 12/27/2012 3:22:46 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

Yes, it does.


13 posted on 12/27/2012 3:23:43 PM PST by SENTINEL (I lie, I cheat, I steal, I communize, I sacrifice unborn babies, I'm Harry Reid and I'm a mormon)
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To: kiryandil

(Elsewhere, I’ve already seen an instant parody of her statements, basically substituting “negroes” for gun references.)

“Sen. Dianne Feinstein unveiled a negro control proposal that would require federally approved licensing of all black and many mixed race Americans. Feinstein said her plan is intended to keep America safe from “black criminals, blacks with mental disabilities, and black children who will become criminals.”

“Under her plan, black applicants for negro licenses would have to pay $25 and go to one of 100,000 federal police officers or to a state-certified office of negro affairs.

“The officer or state-approved official would then record the negroes personal information and license them with the Department of Health and Human Services. Applicants would be required to submit a thumb print, a photograph, their name, birthplace and address, and sign a statement swearing that the information is accurate.

“They would also have to pass a written literacy test that would pose questions about the law and the negroes legal responsibilities. The licenses would be renewable every five years and could be revoked.

“No negro or mixed race negro will be grandfathered, and if not licensed they must be turned in or be in criminal violation.”

Sort of puts what she is proposing in context, doesn’t it?


14 posted on 12/27/2012 3:28:35 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: Jack Hammer
Personally, I doubt this will come to anything, or survive its first Supreme Court test if does. Non-starter, IMO.

I agree 100%. That's why I didn't worry that they would pass ObamaCare over the objection of a majority of Americans. That's why even once ObamaCare passed, I trusted that the thugs in this administration would keep their promises on protecting decent Christians from being required to pay for abortion coverage. That's why I didn't worry once a clearly unconstitutional ObamaCare bill was hauled in front of Chief Justice Roberts. I knew exactly what the Constitution said, so I had no worries - Obama and Pelosi getting spanked was inevitable, wasn't it? That's why I have never worried that wedding photographers, wedding cake bakers, destination wedding bed and breakfast venue owners, and others with religious objections would never be compelled to work against their will in celebrations that offend their fundamental beliefs. This is America, a free country. That sort of thing does not happen here.

15 posted on 12/27/2012 3:32:43 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1

Sad but true - well said.


16 posted on 12/27/2012 3:40:03 PM PST by ProfoundMan (Time to finish the Reagan Revolution!)
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To: kiryandil

Back when I was into hobby rocketry a lot of the guys needed BATF “Low explosive user permit”s to store rocket motors over a certain size.

They had to agree to give up their rights in order to get said permit...BATF could search their homes and/or storage magazines at will.

I simply never went that big and that was one of the reasons.

(As an aside, Sen. Enzi of Wyoming nearly got a bill passed to get the BATF off the hobby rocketeers asses but our pal Chuckie Schumer went on the Senate floor waving around a big cardboard rocket and proceeded to rail about how we had no business doing such things, that prick bastard)


17 posted on 12/27/2012 3:47:20 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

I predict the next run is on boats.


18 posted on 12/27/2012 3:47:39 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Honk Honk - I am the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs - The TSA wants to probe me.)
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To: kiryandil

I think that the law reads that you can be required to provide your NFA weapons be available for inspection from time to time. They cannot just show up at your door and demand entrance and inspection. They must give you reasonable advance notice and may inspect ONLY the NFA items on their list. They may not inspect your other firearms nor are they allowed to snoop around.


19 posted on 12/27/2012 3:48:53 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that crminals will always get them.)
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To: Cyber Liberty

“There are going to be a lot of unfortunate boating accidents. “

Don’t I know it! I was practicing a George Washington Delaware thing out in the back yard where’s there’s a 3 foot wide creek. Suddenly there’s this Tsunami thing and all the hardware got swept away.


20 posted on 12/27/2012 3:54:35 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Nik Naym
"and proceeded to rail about how we had no business doing such things,"

Funny how those bastards think they know what everybody else needs.

21 posted on 12/27/2012 3:55:52 PM PST by Lockbar (Quality factory loaded ammunition ---- The New Gold)
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To: Pollster1

That sort of thing does not happen here when firearms purchasess - on both sides of he aisle and in all populations with respect to political persuasion - are at an all time high, and have been hitting record levels, both among Republicans and Democrats - for several years.

But, yes, it’s just an opinion; time will tell.


22 posted on 12/27/2012 3:57:11 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: ProfoundMan

Diane Fienstien is a full fledged NAZI.
I’d wager a large sum her husband is gonna make millions
on the sudden demand and double to triple price increases on AK and SKSs he imports before they start the legislative process. The two probably had this all planned as one last raping of Americans before the treasonist bitch retires!


23 posted on 12/27/2012 3:58:55 PM PST by VRWCarea51
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To: kiryandil
Whether it does or doesn't, this administration will interpret it so it does.
24 posted on 12/27/2012 4:14:27 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Jack Hammer

I assume Americans are not paying $40-$60 each for 30-round AR-15 magazines, and $1,500-$2,000 each for black rifles because they want to sell them “back” to Nancy Pelosi for $5 each on the magazines and $500 each on the rifles (involuntarily trading our own property for token amounts of our own money!). I just hoped that the far left fringe would back off in time to avoid another civil war. I don’t expect a just ruling through the Constitution and the Supreme Court. The only resolution for this conflict is through the ultimate source of government power - the people. Watering the Tree of Liberty is sometimes necessary but always ugly.


25 posted on 12/27/2012 4:15:33 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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“The Designed Death to the American Dream”
Perry Stone
Hixon, Tennessee, 2012
http://media.voe.org/mc/Manna_fest/5813244


26 posted on 12/27/2012 4:17:13 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: kiryandil

Well, if the answer is yes, then why would you register them? Just don’t register, and they have no right to search your home, so they can’t confiscate your weapons.


27 posted on 12/27/2012 4:23:19 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: kiryandil

The “Boating accident” answer is cute, but it is what THEY want you to say, and it will get you locked up just like Martha Stewart.

If questioned about ANYTHING, ask if they are conducting an investigation, and if so, you will answer NOTHING without your attorney. Any other answer will only be Hillery’s favorite answer during Whitewqter (256 times!) I do not recall or I do not remember. Nothing else!


28 posted on 12/27/2012 4:40:38 PM PST by wrench
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To: kiryandil
The Chi-Coms demand that American citizens be disarmed.. and who is the first to spring into action?

It's no secret that Feinstein and her financier husband Richard Blum have close ties to Red China. Some of their wealth comes from Red China.

And there's this from 2001,

Chinese pilot Wang Wei twice "buzzed" the U.S. EP-3 Aries II plane over international waters, flying directly for the EP-3 Aries II, the F-8 hit the propeller of the U.S. plane's No. 1 engine causing the crash of the Chinese F-8.

I was angered that Ms Feinstein expressed her feelings "on behalf of the American people." I informed her in an angry letter that she did not speak for me. Her staff's reply was a copy of their publicity release claiming that she "did not apologize for the incident" and blamed confusion about her statements she made on "Crossfire;" she was expressing "sorrow that the Chinese pilot lost his life."

Best if the Americans apologise now - soon the Chinese could rule the US (2001)

"Dianne Feinstein, the senior senator from California, was unusual in rushing to apologise for the EP-3 incident."

(This article was not the source I was reacting to back then.)

29 posted on 12/27/2012 4:41:18 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: kiryandil
"Guns? What guns?"


30 posted on 12/27/2012 4:43:39 PM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Pollster1

Yes, clearly feelings are running strong just now. Whether things go one way or the other way is anyone’s guess.

What I am saying - personally - is that I believe that ultimately cooler heads will prevail, and no new (and invariably both misdirected and useless) legislation will be enacted.


31 posted on 12/27/2012 4:45:34 PM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Boogieman

“Well, if the answer is yes, then why would you register them? “

Violations are felonies. Failure to obey makes you a felon, with all the associated [non]privileges.

This is the ‘catch’ in many of these proposed laws.

Damned if you do, and Damned to Hell if you do not.

That does not mean I will.

Hmmm. Maybe the new third political party will be The Felons.


32 posted on 12/27/2012 4:48:14 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Honk Honk - I am the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs - The TSA wants to probe me.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Time to read or re-read Unintended Consequences.

How did that line from the intro go?

"An objective observer might at this point have said, "Stripping motivated people of their dignity and rubbing their noses in it is a very bad idea."

A very bad idea indeed.

33 posted on 12/27/2012 5:13:06 PM PST by Noumenon (As long as you have a rifle, you STILL have a vote.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
There are going to be a lot of unfortunate boating accidents.

Yes, I know it's a continuing FR joke for the humor-impaired, but do you think that telling the Brownshirt thugs that you lost your firearms is going to keep them off your back?

You and others had better come around to the realization that what is forthcoming is not going to be fun and games.

34 posted on 12/27/2012 5:19:49 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: 21twelve
A well-placed .22LR is a deadly round, despite its size. I still carry a .32cal inside my pelvis, from a '74 robbery/shooting, and was lucky beyond belief.


35 posted on 12/27/2012 5:23:25 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Happy & Healthy New Year!)
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To: OldPossum

Don’t be a dope. And kindly don’t assume I’m a dope too, K? Get a grin. They’re hard to come by.


36 posted on 12/27/2012 5:31:42 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: kiryandil

First they came for the smokers, and most shrugged their shoulders.........


37 posted on 12/27/2012 5:34:34 PM PST by RobertClark (Inside every "older" person is a younger person wondering what the hell happened?)
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To: Jack Hammer

“Personally, I doubt this will come to anything, or survive its first Supreme Court test if does.”

Do you really trust John Roberts? Just consider it a tax
and you can do as you will. As far as EO’s go, so what who’s
going to do anything about it anyway.


38 posted on 12/27/2012 5:40:42 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Boogieman
they have no right to search your home, so they can’t confiscate your weapons.

You are correct and mistaken at the same time. Constitutionally they have no right. Emergency EOs (illegally) give them that right. They were busting in doors in NO during Katrina, knocking people down and taking their weapons.

You want to talk rights? Might makes right. And contrary to what most FReepers seem to think, 80% of the grunts in the military *will* obey orders to kick your door in and search your house. And any half assed claims of boating accidents, Constitutional rights or any other BS will be answered with a boot on your neck at the minimum. More likely, if you don't get shot you will get your teeth kicked in.

These are very bad people and they are coming after you. These are facts. Just because we are not yet seeing mass internments, people disappearing from their homes in the middle of the night and (even) death squads is no proof they aren't coming. Read some of the fascist garbage being bandied about by DHS et al. They are not being very subtle about their intentions. In the near future this country will be more like Argentina, Valenzuela or any one of a number of third world countries. These people are no different than Heinrich Himmler, Reinhard Heydrich and the rest of the fascist perverts running the Third Reich. More than a few are looking forward with pleasure to committing atrocities against conservatives. Think there was "torture" at GITMO? That's nothing compared to what is coming to the conservative dissenters in this country.

39 posted on 12/27/2012 5:57:32 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: Scrambler Bob
"One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law."

- Martin Luther King, Jr.

“Rebellion to tyranny is obedience to God.”

- Thomas Jefferson

"Resistance to tyranny becomes the Christian and social duty of each individual. ... Continue steadfast and, with a proper sense of your dependence on God, nobly defend those rights which heaven gave, and no man ought to take from us."

- John Hancock

"Civil disobedience is the assertion of a right which law should give but which it denies."

"Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the State becomes lawless corrupt."

- Mahatma Gandhi

Those guys have all said it better than I can.

40 posted on 12/27/2012 5:58:51 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Valenzuela = Venezuela

Sometimes spell check likes to have a laugh at our expense....


41 posted on 12/27/2012 6:01:14 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I don’t disagree with much that you say, except that I think it will be a much rougher road for them than they think. For example:

“More than a few are looking forward with pleasure to committing atrocities against conservatives.”

More than a few citizens are looking forward to slitting some petty tyrants’ throats as well, if the time comes. They won’t find the American people to be as sheepish as some suppose.


42 posted on 12/27/2012 6:04:46 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: USMCPOP
Don`t know about your state but in Ohio one can get a table at a gun show for about $15. If a person kept that receipt, it would be some proof that one sold off their collection to other private buyers at that show? Just, thinking.
43 posted on 12/27/2012 6:12:03 PM PST by nomad
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Okay, so we don’t give up our guns willingly. I won’t. But then they make it illegal to bring an unregistered gun to a range. Illegal to transfer an unregistered weapon to anyone including relatives. Illegal to buy more than 20 rounds of ammunition at a time. Illegal to possess reloading supplies without permits requiring picture ID and fingerprinting. Illegal to do just about anything we enjoy now. And the sad part is the Obama “low comprehension” voters will support every step they take. I don’t know the answer but it sure seems like they can whittle us down with small steps over time regardless of what we do.


44 posted on 12/27/2012 6:26:46 PM PST by Honcho Bongs (Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. - Churchill)
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To: kiryandil

Likewise. United we stand, divided we fall. And BATF won’t be getting any help or backup from any Sheriffs or Police out here in West Texas.


45 posted on 12/27/2012 6:29:39 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Save the nation, have your family's progressives spayed or neutered.)
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To: wrench

“conducting an investigation”,,,,,

Badge Man with questions,,,

is there a difference?

Thanks,

We all are going to need LAWYERS ,

wait,,,may be not.


46 posted on 12/27/2012 7:04:38 PM PST by Big Red Badger
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To: Cyber Liberty

Re your post 36. I am not a dope. I am just very, very weary of the stupid, unfunny, and hackneyed talk about the guns and the boats. It’s been overworked. It may have been mildly humorous in 1999 but it’s not now. One would think that Freepers would be tired of it by now but I would think wrong.

When I posted the remarks to you I did it with a little trepidation since I recognized your screen name and did not think that you would be among those who thought the lost-all-my-guns-in-a-TRAGIC-accident “joke” was a belly laugh, but I went ahead anyway. Sorry.

Believe it or not but the OldPossum does have a sense of humor. It’s just that old jokes wear thin.


47 posted on 12/27/2012 7:12:50 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Noumenon

I have been interested in reading it but it seems to be priced ridiculously high.


48 posted on 12/27/2012 7:21:50 PM PST by gop4lyf (Are we no longer in that awkward time? Or is it still too early?)
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To: gop4lyf

And I hear gun magazines are all sold out.


49 posted on 12/27/2012 7:51:43 PM PST by Scrambler Bob (Honk Honk - I am the Goose that laid the Golden Eggs - The TSA wants to probe me.)
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To: kiryandil

I’m not sure how the feds can enforce this if the states don’t go along. Sort of like federal anti-marijuana laws in WA and CO.


50 posted on 12/27/2012 8:31:13 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Through the woods and over the cliff ....)
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