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Train ‘Runover’ Survivor (Laid UNDER Train, After He Changed His Mind)
New York Post ^ | December 30, 2012 | KAYLEE OSOWSKI and REBECCA HARSHBARGER

Posted on 12/30/2012 4:09:59 PM PST by nickcarraway

A man jumped in front of an oncoming uptown C local at Penn Station yesterday — but survived without a scratch by lying flat between the tracks as the train screeched to a halt over him, witnesses said.

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1 posted on 12/30/2012 4:10:07 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

fool


2 posted on 12/30/2012 4:12:27 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: nickcarraway

fool


3 posted on 12/30/2012 4:12:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: nickcarraway

Now I know why my husband was late home from work...


4 posted on 12/30/2012 4:16:37 PM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

At least that was his excuse.....


5 posted on 12/30/2012 4:19:56 PM PST by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: nickcarraway

Actually a pretty good technique if you get pushed on to the tracks by one of the 11,000 loonies that the ACLU insists have the right to be on the streets.


6 posted on 12/30/2012 4:24:11 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: nickcarraway

He may have survived without a scratch, but I’m guessing his shorts might not be in the greatest shape right about now.

Just sayin’, y’know?


7 posted on 12/30/2012 4:25:03 PM PST by DemforBush (You might very well think that. I could not *possibly* comment.)
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To: nevergore

haha...whadda dick. ;)


8 posted on 12/30/2012 4:27:49 PM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: DemforBush

“Ya gotta a permit for that load, buddy?” (NYC Cop)


9 posted on 12/30/2012 4:35:26 PM PST by carriage_hill (Have A Happy & Healthy New Year!)
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To: nickcarraway

After they get done with him in the courts he’ll wish he hadn’t changed his mind.


10 posted on 12/30/2012 4:37:33 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: GeronL

I’m glad he changed his mind and hope he finds help.


11 posted on 12/30/2012 4:48:22 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: BobL

In DC there is room under the platforms for someone who falls or is pushed. That is if they have time to get under there.

I remember once a lady was drunk and fell under the train. We went under to look for her expecting to find blood and guts everywhere, as we crawled under the train we looked and here she came crawling toward us. The train had passed over her without touching her.


12 posted on 12/30/2012 4:53:50 PM PST by Venturer
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To: gunsequalfreedom

I hope they make him pay for all those delayed travelers tokens


13 posted on 12/30/2012 4:56:18 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Venturer

Wow, didn’t know that either. But you’re right, you have to get there fast, and not even try to climb out if a train is coming in.


14 posted on 12/30/2012 4:56:24 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: nickcarraway
If you are small, like grade school boy size, you can fit easily between the rails and the train will easily pass over you. It's really loud and scary tho.
15 posted on 12/30/2012 5:22:42 PM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: nickcarraway

Okay may be a stupid question, but what about that whole 3rd rail thing?


16 posted on 12/30/2012 5:45:22 PM PST by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: nickcarraway

Incredible comments, they’re crediting this “save” to Bloomie’s weight loss policies.

(sarcasm I hope)


17 posted on 12/30/2012 5:52:58 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: nickcarraway

It’s been done before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdMuPSxodIo&sns=em


18 posted on 12/30/2012 7:11:16 PM PST by TSgt (...voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.)
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To: Hope for the Republic
but what about that whole 3rd rail thing?

The third rail is on the outside (could be either side though) of the main rails. It typically has a wood or other insulator covering, is mounted on insulated stand-offs and is energized at a nominal 600 volt d.c. in reference to the main rails. The pick-up mechanism on the train, a sort of paddle like device contacts this rail to pick up the power for the traction motors. There is minimal clearance between the main rail and the third rail, and minimal clearance under the pick-up device. If you were to fall and land between the main and third rail it would be a miracle if you did not get crispy fried..

In many stations and for portions of the right of way there is a gap between the ties of the main rails that provides a depression that in a best case scenario would allow for a person caught on the tracks for whatever reason to lie down in this depression with, again in best case scenario, sufficient room for the trainset to pass overhead without contacting the body.

I do not recommend testing the clearance using your own body.

19 posted on 12/30/2012 7:12:54 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: Hope for the Republic

Okay may be a stupid question, but what about that whole 3rd rail thing?


You should be alright as long as you don’t pee on it.


20 posted on 12/30/2012 7:15:41 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Fair is a place you go to eat cotton candy and step in monkey poop)
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To: NoCmpromiz

I’d always assumed there was room underneath a train, either a subway train or a regular surface train, for a person lying flat to have the train pass over him harmlessly. Are you saying that the bottom of a train is so close to the ground that there isn’t even 18 inches of clearance between the ties and the underside of the train?


21 posted on 12/30/2012 9:48:10 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ottbmare
Are you saying that the bottom of a train is so close to the ground that there isn’t even 18 inches of clearance between the ties and the underside of the train?

It has been many years since I crawled around under a railroad car so any new developments in design or configuration are unknown. Back in the day there was clearance under your standard freight car. You might get hit with a low hanging air hose though. An unknown in the world of standard (not subway designs) is what the clearance under the locomotive itself is. I probably could get this info next time I can catch up with an acquaintance who works in train service for one of the major carriers - but due to our differing schedules, I don't see him that often.

Subway cars nether regions I am not familiar with, so maybe if there are any NYCT people out there we can get a better answer. I do know that on the NYCT system, the 'trench' between the main rails can be seen at most every station by looking at the tracks - just make sure there are no nutcases in a pushing mood when you look!

Like I said, I wouldn't want to test the clearance with my body. Maybe we have a volunteer..

22 posted on 12/30/2012 11:33:51 PM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: miss marmelstein
I hope he wasn't too messed up from the dirt and the gravel.

≤}B^) -- of course

23 posted on 12/31/2012 2:53:53 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: NoCmpromiz; ottbmare

I’m guessing about 14 inches, with the main limitation being from the traction motors. Otherwise, it would be at least 20 inches.


24 posted on 12/31/2012 3:01:00 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: NoCmpromiz
Thank you. I was picturing the opposite idea of trolley cars which have the energy source as the wire above. I thought the "3rd rail" was located down the middle of the tracks.

It is a bad day when I don't learn something new.

Thank you once again.

25 posted on 12/31/2012 4:18:54 AM PST by Hope for the Republic (The 1st amendment is protected by the 2nd amendment)
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To: Erasmus

At 14 inches I might just make it, though it would be like having the world’s worst mammogram.

Traction motors? Do diesel engines have to claw their way along the tracks? Sheesh, why do they have to be so low?


26 posted on 12/31/2012 7:48:15 AM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: ottbmare

I think the average traction motor is too large in height to be mounted entirely above the axle. Therefore, a significant part of it extends below; from what I have seen, it probably averages eight or ten inches below the centerline of the axle.

10-4 on the mammogram there. Some people, for various anatomical reasons, stand tall when they lie down.


27 posted on 12/31/2012 8:23:47 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Hope for the Republic
Thank you. I was picturing the opposite idea of trolley cars which have the energy source as the wire above. I thought the "3rd rail" was located down the middle of the tracks.

Well after all, that's how Lionel trains do it!

28 posted on 12/31/2012 8:25:16 AM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: Erasmus; Hope for the Republic; ottbmare
I think the average traction motor is too large in height to be mounted entirely above the axle. Therefore, a significant part of it extends below

Again, not familiar with transit/subway motor car stuff (except that, no they aren't like Lionel ;-) but at least in NYC the third rail, whether Transit or NYC, er, Metro North all have the rail on the outside. There may be someplace somewhere that does it differently..

On freight railroads, your typical diesel electric locomotive is on a 42" diameter wheel (ref: GE AC6000) or there-abouts - GP38's are 40" I believe - so that puts the center of the axles at a nominal 20" above the rail head. Typical rail height is in the area of 7" (more than you ever wanted to know about rail dimensions) so the maximum clearance above the ties would be 27" or so. The traction motors do indeed extend below centerline of the drive axle, but exact dimensions I don't know. But.. here is a page from Progress Rail that shows the typical truck assembly so you can decide whether you want to check out whether you would fit under one of these.

As I said, I decline to be the test body... ;-) And Happy New Year!

29 posted on 01/01/2013 10:59:20 AM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: NoCmpromiz
Again, not familiar with transit/subway motor car stuff (except that, no they aren't like Lionel ;-) but at least in NYC the third rail, whether Transit or NYC, er, Metro North all have the rail on the outside. There may be someplace somewhere that does it differently..

I've never seen a center third rail either, not in 12-inch scale that is. Of course there are cog railways with the rack down the center. That could ruin your day, but I don't think by electrocution.

As to traction motor clearance, I was going on the assumption of a 36 inch wheel for rapid transit/light rail, a 5 inch diameter axle, and a 7 inch rail height.

So that would be (7 + (36-5)/2) = 22.5 inches to the axle, and then minus maybe 8 inches for the underhang of the traction motor, leaving 14.5 inches net clearance.

30 posted on 01/01/2013 1:28:02 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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To: ottbmare
At 14 inches I might just make it, though it would be like having the world’s worst mammogram.

In my case, assuming face-up, a low-grade liposuction. Or liposection, more like.

31 posted on 01/01/2013 1:33:09 PM PST by Erasmus (Zwischen des Teufels und des tiefen, blauen Meers)
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