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Are You Going To Remain A Republican? (Vanity)
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Posted on 01/01/2013 8:49:29 PM PST by Artcore

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To: Artcore

Absolutely not, they’re ll crooks!


51 posted on 01/01/2013 9:23:33 PM PST by blondee123 (DICTATORSHIP HAS ARRIVED! Nov. 6, 2012)
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To: Artcore

Switched tonight. Bye-bye R’s. The Republican Machine has nothing but contempt for me, and I have nothing but contempt for it.


52 posted on 01/01/2013 9:24:00 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: faithhopecharity
wiser to stay in and try to fix it from inside.

That's a long wait where a train don't come.

Thanks, I'd rather give myself a high colonic than support your party.

/johnny

53 posted on 01/01/2013 9:26:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Artcore

To win, you have to have more than half the votes.

On the way to half the votes +1, you have to get to half of half the votes.

If you can’t control one party, you have no chance to control the government.

If you don’t like having 25% of the people in office representing you, I imagine you will dislike having less than 25% even more.


54 posted on 01/01/2013 9:27:31 PM PST by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Artcore

I have reached that point now.


55 posted on 01/01/2013 9:29:33 PM PST by Thorliveshere
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To: faithhopecharity

I just got done reading the fuller summary of the bill they passed.
What a horrible result!!!!

America elects a majority-Republican House and what do they do? Raise taxes yet again, in the middle of Obama’s Great Recession, too.

I would stay in the R party (to make sure can vote in R primaries, many states restrict primary votes to registrants in the respective parties)....I would never send a dime to the current R party central committee, but contribute to individual candidates (regardless of party) who look honest (that cuts down the check-writing a whole lot!) and who espouse sensible policies. NOT FURTHER TAX HIKES and ESPECIALLY NOT in the middle of this terrible downwards economic spiral (Even Keynes knew better than this!!!!!!! The ONLY possible explanation for all these horrible new taxes and tax hikes in the middle of a recession or depression is to deliberately destroy the economy once-and-for-all, or else we’ve elected a gaggle of total morons....which I doubt...)

Pray for America, and I withdraw my earlier note.
Happy New Year
fhc


56 posted on 01/01/2013 9:29:53 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Artcore
Why is it we conservatives ALWAYS have to be the team players; ALWAYS have to make the concessions; ALWAYS have to take it in shorts?

Sorry, but I longer feel the obligation, or the guilt! I have NO political power as of this moment, but to tell the party who has taken me for granted, sh*t on me, and ignored me, that I've had enough, and no longer want to be part of them.

To those who say we need to stick with the GOP, I ask why? Take a look and see what our sticking by the GOPe has gotten us? Nothing!!

57 posted on 01/01/2013 9:34:43 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Artcore

I am seriously thinking of changing to Democrat in order to vote in their primaries. That way I will be able to possibly influence their candidate choices. Can still vote for who I want in the general election.


58 posted on 01/01/2013 9:40:42 PM PST by Kadric
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer. They want a one party system!!!! They know a 3rd party would weaken the Republicans even more, its a win win for them. They want only the 3 branches of Gov’t controlled by them. Think its bad now? WAIT!


The tired excuse of every GOP Liberal


59 posted on 01/01/2013 9:42:10 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Fiscal Conservatives are Neither)
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To: Artcore

Secede.


60 posted on 01/01/2013 9:44:47 PM PST by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus

“Secede.”
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I like it! :-)


61 posted on 01/01/2013 9:45:39 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Artcore

I am no longer a Republican.

I didn’t leave the Party, the Party left me.


62 posted on 01/01/2013 9:51:58 PM PST by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: JRandomFreeper

You keep a paper list of liberal republicans? That’s insane! What do you think they make spreadsheets for? ; )


63 posted on 01/01/2013 9:56:32 PM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Artcore
I will be switching my party affiliation tomorrow.

What took you so long?? The rest of us saw the GOP-e for the gutless RINO cowards that they are and jumped ship long ago.

We can make space for you in the lifeboat.

64 posted on 01/01/2013 9:56:32 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Artcore

What, going to become a democrat?


65 posted on 01/01/2013 9:59:15 PM PST by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: BykrBayb
You keep a paper list of liberal republicans? That’s insane!

Got to. No computer in the bedroom where I kneel to pray for all the idiots, children, and liberals every night. Gotta have a paper list.

/johnny

66 posted on 01/01/2013 10:01:28 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Bringbackthedraft; navymom1; mnehring; RIghtwardHo; Artcore; JRandomFreeper
Switch, its what the MSM and the Liberals want you to do. Its Divide and Conquer. They want a one party system!!!! They know a 3rd party would weaken the Republicans even more, its a win win for them. They want only the 3 branches of Gov’t controlled by them. Think its bad now? WAIT!

I agree with you, and I cannot comprehend the logic behind going third-party. I can definitely see the reasons for doing so (the GOP is an obese lumbering beast inching towards obsolescence), and the reasons are truly valid. No argument there. The GOP has definitely been taking Conservatives for granted, and there is little difference between the GOP and the Democrats. I've even said in the past that a modern-day Republican is far more liberal than a Democrat during the Kennedy era, and by a substantial margin.

However, even though the GOP is a hot mess, going third-party really doesn't achieve much in terms of real change. All it does is simply make the Democrats a far stronger block since they will have more diffuse opposition. There are already a couple of conservative-esque third parties in existence, and all of them have absolutely zero impact. Of these, the Libertarian party is probably the largest, with the Constitution party being the more conservative, and both may as well not exist based on their impact. Look at Gary Johnson for the Libertarian party, or Virgil Goode for the Constitutional party. What effect did they have? Of the two parties, the larger one is the Libertarian party, and it doesn't even have a single seat in the House or Senate.

Now, I am not saying that people should just suck it in and continue doing what has not been working for the last several decades. Actually the last Conservative president the US had was President Reagan ...if GW Bush was a Democrat he would be the second most liberal president after Obama (with both operating with the spirit of FDR). Anyways, I am not saying people should just suck it in, but maybe the best approach is to try and change the GOP from within. The Tea Party was a vehicle that seemed to work well in 2010, and even though it has since been diluted (weak tea?) it DID show that the concept works, and works well.

That is probably the best way to do it ...to change things from the inside using the Tea Party or a similar vehicle. In my opinion, and I may be wrong, going third-party - whether it is a totally new party or adhering to one of the established third parties - would be a mistake looking at the track record of third parties over the decades.

Changing the GOP from within may be difficult, but it is possible. The 2010 mid-terms showed that it is possible to get grass-root based momentum going.

Going third party may make many 'feel good,' but that is all it is. RINOs need Conservatives to be part of the GOP, but Conservatives (unfortunately) also need RINOs. One without the other is not big/powerful enough to defeat the Dems, who - even when they fight internally still know that when it comes to voting they need to be homogenous (remember the PUMA nonsense that quickly dissipated when it came to the 2008 presidential vote, but had so many here believing it would lead to a McCain victory). RINOs without Conservatives will never win anything against the Dems, but in the same way Conservatives without RINOs will simply be a larger version of the Constitutional Party. Again the combined Liberal blocks that go under the Democratic Party moniker, neither the RINO-only GOP version or the Conservative-only Constitutional Party-type 'new party' would have a CHANCE of succeeding. Each needs the other!

The only thing is that for the longest time the RINOs have been in the driver's seat, controlling/manipulating/lying to the Conservative 'passenger' over and over again. At times almost making it seem like tacit threats - e.g. if you don't vote for me the 'other guy' will win, and that will be much worse. Which is why I said I can understand the reasons Conservatives would want to leave. However, 2010 showed that it is possible for the Conservative passenger to bump the RINO driver away from the steering wheel, and this is exactly what needs to happen.

My 2 cents and some warm spit, but to me it seems quite obvious that RINOs and Conservatives are like symbiotic political organisms, where each needs the other to survive. Or maybe like a man and a woman, where each needs the other to procreate even though they are both very different from each other. The man saying he doesn't want the woman, or vice-versa, simply means no more babies (even though I guess the stress levels will be down since the relationship/divorce is finalized). For the RINOs vs Conservatives the problem has been that the RINOs have been the dominating force ...the Tea Party managed to change that in 2010, not only knocking the RINOs back significantly, but delivering a huge surprise hit on the Democrats themselves! I also think it makes sense to stop donating to the RNC (they would only give it to RINO candidates) and start supporting Conservative candidates.

I think such a strategy makes more sense than simply creating another Libertarian/Constitutional party that has a lot of Facebook posts (my goodness, the level of silly FB posts the Libertarian party had for instance) but absolutely no impact.

Conservatives splitting away from the GOP, rather than finding a way of dominating the RINOs, would be the best gift the Democrats could ever get. Far more than a third Obama term.

67 posted on 01/01/2013 10:01:53 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Artcore

no


68 posted on 01/01/2013 10:02:28 PM PST by free me
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To: Artcore

I don’t care about politics anymore. Bronco won. Fuck Him


69 posted on 01/01/2013 10:03:07 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: faithhopecharity

” I would respectfully submit that it could be wiser to stay in and try to fix it from inside.”

***

At one time, that might have worked...back in the day when conservatives were a vital constituency. Those days are gone. The Republican Party is now controlled by liberals. Conservatives are no longer welcome. The party of Reagan is no more.

It’s time conservatives take the hint, form their own party and recruit candidates who will best represent their interests.


70 posted on 01/01/2013 10:04:07 PM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: DustyMoment

“We can make space for you in the lifeboat.”
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Thank you!


71 posted on 01/01/2013 10:04:22 PM PST by Artcore
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To: Artcore

Boehner you got nothing. I don’t even give a damn who replaces you. Might as well be that code pink bitch.


72 posted on 01/01/2013 10:08:43 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Pikachu_Dad

The R’s have. Next


73 posted on 01/01/2013 10:11:15 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: fatnotlazy; faithhopecharity
I tried to touch on that on my post # 67. Forming a third party would simply be creating another Libertarian Party or Constitutional Party, and of the three largest third parties (Libertarian, followed by Green, followed by Constitutional) all of them have no impact. Even the three combined (assuming the Greens dropped socialism and worked with the other two third-parties) would still have no impact. As I said in my post, RINOs and Conservatives are a symbiotic organism ...they need each other. It is just that the RINOs have been in the driver's seat. Conservatives should take over driving duties in a similar way that they did in 2010, where they not only gave RINOs a punch in the mouth, but also gave the Dems a black eye.

Anything else is a Pyrrhic victory, where those leaving will definitely feel good, but would have a) no impact and b) just gave the Dems the perfect gift.

74 posted on 01/01/2013 10:14:02 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Artcore
Tell the base what they want to hear.....vote to move the country ever-left, always left, ever-left. Since Reagan we have not recaptured anything which moves the country right. EVER-LEFT, always.

We are being driven left. We can all bitch about Hussein, but he and his team are better politicians than the republicans.

The republicans, if they want conservatism, (tonights vote show that statement is not true) they must become more militant than the left. Militancy works for those who have no conscience. We now know that the republicans are liars like the dems. They, if they want conservatism to maintain some similarity of what the country should be, must get up in their face. Stand up against democrat-media complex and call them out.....not try to get along with them.

This will not happen. The country has chosen to become Europe, vis-a-vi Greece. We have lost our country. Our children have no bright future. They can work hard, get a skill, or education and they are beginning with a debt which they cannot pay. Generational theft is the order of the day. We have sold out our posterity. What country will bail us out? We are undone.

75 posted on 01/01/2013 10:18:53 PM PST by Texas Songwriter (THAT)
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To: fatnotlazy
America's Party
76 posted on 01/01/2013 10:19:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance (House Republican leaders only use the purse strings to hold up their pantywaists.)
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To: navymom1

NavyMom

I agree

But we are not done yet. I can’t accept that. I don’t know what the final solution will be-—it may be bad. But I won’t go down quietly into the night.


77 posted on 01/01/2013 10:36:14 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Go easy Johnny

Everyone here is trying to do whats right.

I think

The solution?

I have no idea.

But let’s at least go down fighting together.

God protect us all


78 posted on 01/01/2013 10:40:18 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Steve Newton
Be damned for a coward if I go easy on liberals.

I've had it with the GOP and their lick-spittle lackeys.

Amen on the prayer for protection.

/johnny

79 posted on 01/01/2013 10:44:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Understood

And agree to a point.

What do you see as a solution? Or is there one?

I’m open for any idea’s now.


80 posted on 01/01/2013 10:49:45 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Steve Newton

Sometimes when I don’t know what to do, I think, what would my enemy want me to do?

Then I do the opposite.

Here is the truth: the liberal dems would like me to

1. convert and become a liberal dem, or if not;

2. get disgusted, quit working, quit donating, quit voting; or, if not

3. spend my time, energy, intelligence and votes on third party stuff.

So I am not going to do any of that.

What do they hope I DON’T do?

1. Spend my time, energy, money and vote in ways that EFFECTIVELY promote patriotic conservative values and constitutional adherence.

For some of us that may mean joining our central committee, or registering voters, or donating (to the right PAC or person), or volunteering, or even running for office. It may mean being a precinct captain, or a campaign manager. It may mean being willing to fight a losing campaign really hard, putting all you have into it; knowing that all the effort you put in made our adversaries work harder in our district and gave a victory to someone on our side a couple of counties over.

I don’t think it means taking our marbles and going home.


81 posted on 01/01/2013 10:52:17 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

I pray your right and we have time left for that.

But what if we don’t my Friend?


82 posted on 01/01/2013 10:55:44 PM PST by Steve Newton (And the Wolves will learn what we have shown before-We love our sheep we dogs of war. Vaughn)
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To: Artcore

There is a reason I haven’t been one for many, many years. Junk like this is one of the reasons.


83 posted on 01/01/2013 11:01:23 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: Steve Newton
Same advice I'd give a woman living with an abuser.

Don't go back, don't support it. Don't enable it.

That's a start. Until you can do that, you are trapped in a repeating hell.

/johnny

84 posted on 01/01/2013 11:02:55 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Persevero
joining our central committee,

центральные партии. Кто вы?Замполит?

I've had enough of central those, thank you.

/johnny

85 posted on 01/01/2013 11:07:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Steve Newton

“But what if we don’t my Friend?”

Well, that is something we can’t know. No sense in choosing defeat though.


86 posted on 01/01/2013 11:17:19 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"центральные партии. Кто вы?Замполит? I've had enough of central those, thank you." I know your disappointed, Johnny, but really, a central committee does not equal communism in and of itself. I'm sure that the Independent, Libertarian, and Constitutional parties have one, too, or maybe they use a different name, so what? You need to be organized, unless you want to just be a party unto yourself.
87 posted on 01/01/2013 11:18:58 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero
Talk to the person I laid off. I'm not hearing your zampolit crap.

The GOP needs to go.

/johnny

88 posted on 01/01/2013 11:23:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Artcore

Its a closed system here in PA so I can’t vote in a GOP primary as an indy.

I will stay Rep. and vote in primaries for conservatives but
I think conservatives need to start organizing a third party on the core principles of immediate smaller goverment-immediate balanced budget.

If a RINO gets past the primary the independent-Third Party candidate must be ready to run against him in the general.

We can’t send any more phony conservative RINO’s (90 percent plus of the Reps in Congress are) to Washington even if it means electing a Dem.

What the difference....They both take us in the same direction at different rates of speed.


89 posted on 01/02/2013 12:53:25 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Artcore

The talk show hosts and others have kept us conservatives on the Republican plantation for quite a few years exploiting our fears and resentments, hatreds of Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid etc. etc.

I can’t live that way anymore.

I really want smaller government and a balanced budget.

Guys like Paul Ryan and Pat Toomey never envisioned one until 10 years out in their plans, so how can I really support the GOP???


90 posted on 01/02/2013 12:58:15 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Persevero

Underneath it all are powerful money interests that want bailouts and more debt to fight a losing fight against economic collapse.

They’ve bought the Republican Party.

NO MORE DEBT......ABSOLUTELY NO MORE DEBT......

I go back to the conversation Rush Limbaugh had with Ed Gillespie, GOP insider and then aide to President W Bush some years ago.

El Rushbo says cut the size of government, cut departments like education and energy.

Then Gillespie says “That’s not going to happen...”

Case closed.

I will not be a slave on the Republican Plantation anymore.....


91 posted on 01/02/2013 1:08:34 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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To: Artcore

Frack no.


92 posted on 01/02/2013 1:10:06 AM PST by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

good lord, that is a long list. When do you get to sleep?


93 posted on 01/02/2013 1:10:23 AM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Artcore

In my state, Kentucky, you can not vote in Primaries unless you are one of the two major parties. Independents have no voice here, so unfortuntately, even though I would love to tell the GOP where to go, especially after the GOP fielded the biggest absolute disaster of a candidate for govenor the last go round, I’ll remain one. Conservatives chunking the GOP means that Romney-types will have even an easier time getting chosen in primaries.

Having said all that, my hunch is the time to effect anything at the ballot box has long since past.


94 posted on 01/02/2013 1:39:59 AM PST by MachIV
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To: Artcore

I dropped my party affiliation during the lame-duck session in 2010 when the GOP knelt in surrender on the repeal of DADT and the ratification of New START.

And I`m not coming back.


95 posted on 01/02/2013 1:40:23 AM PST by ScottinVA (More dizzying than a Tilt-a-Whirl is an around-a-circle argument with a liberal about gun control.)
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To: spetznaz

[ Anything else is a Pyrrhic victory, where those leaving will definitely feel good, but would have a) no impact and b) just gave the Dems the perfect gift. ]

You seem to ignore what is actually going on.. Soon maybe already is that the republican party is almost totally RINOs. Ignoring that republicans are leaving the party in droves forces a false tactic.. They are leaving and more will leave.. and not a drip drip drip either..

The liberal forces are massive.. not just the President and Congress.. but the media, Unions(Police, Firefighters, teachers, and most all givernment workers [fed,state and local] ..).. Hollywood, Newspapers, Mags, TV, Cable, and not a small part of the internet.. Academia, other schools.. contractors and their minions..

It’s not just the republican party.. and voter fraud..
Crazy is doing the same thing over and over again expecting something to change.. Are you crazy?..


96 posted on 01/02/2013 1:53:49 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: All

Course they are not all crooks.. just most of them are..

And most of them control the FBI, CIA, IRS, BATF, NSA, Secret Service, Military, Police, Firefighters, and other security organizations.. Its far worse than the republican party control..

SOMETHING MUST CHANGE........


97 posted on 01/02/2013 2:06:50 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe
I agree with you that the Liberal Machine ('LM') is far bigger than Obama and his congresscritters, but what I am asking is what effect starting a third-party will have? Apart from a one-off 'feel good' effect that has no lasting impact apart from making the LM hegemony stronger due to a more diffuse opposition? Furthermore, changing the GOP from the inside would be bloody difficult, but a form of that was accomplished in 2010. The only problem is those gains were wasted.

Finally, I totally agree that the epitome of insanity is doing the same thing constantly while anticipating different outcomes. That's true. However, doesn't that apply to third parties as well??? Looking at the Libertarian Party, which is taken as a joke, or the Constitutional Party, which has even worse performance than the Green Party even, makes me wonder.

RINOs and Conservatives are, unfortunately, linked symbiotically. One cannot win without the other. The problem is that the RINOs have been driving everything for decades, and Conservatives have let it happen. What about taking over driving duties?

Now, I will be the first to say that might not be possible. The odds may be too potent. Maybe the reason the Tea Party storm was successful in 2010 is because the RINOs, and the LM in general, were simply not aware such a thing can occur and, now, they are ready to squish it in the bud. All that is possible.

All the same, I find it a whole lot less insane than starting (yet) another third-party, especially considering that the largest third-party (the Libertarians) couldn't even garner a single seat in the House or Senate, and the most conservative (the Constitutional Party) isn't even bigger than the (overtly) socialist/environmentalist Green Party.

What effect will starting another third-party have ...that is apart from a Pyrrhic 'feel good' while the LM goes from simply having persistence (due to it's control of media etc) to having pure dominance (due to diffusion of opposition)? I may be wrong (probably am), but I think controlling the RINOs seems like something that could work.

98 posted on 01/02/2013 2:16:55 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Artcore; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

Nah, I won’t switch. My representative (Roscoe Bartlett) voted against the abortion. There are still some GOP with integrity.

Anybody in Ohio know a good primary opponent for Boehner?


99 posted on 01/02/2013 2:20:15 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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To: Artcore; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...

Nah, I won’t switch. My representative (Roscoe Bartlett) voted against the abortion. There are still some GOP with integrity.

Anybody in Ohio know a good primary opponent for Boehner?


100 posted on 01/02/2013 2:20:46 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Happy New Year!)
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