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Massacre guns on sale in the UK
The Sun UK ^

Posted on 01/02/2013 7:46:15 AM PST by Da_Shrimp

LETHAL assault rifles like the one used in America’s Sandy Hook school massacre are being LEGALLY sold in Britain.

A Welsh-based firm is advertising a Ruger SR-22 semi-automatic as a “clone” of an AR-15, the gun loner Adam Lanza used to kill 26 people.

Shocked campaigners are demanding new gun controls after The Sun discovered British dealers selling the weapons.

A similar gun to Lanza’s intimidating Bushmaster AR-15 is being sold by Arundel Militaria, based in Knighton, Powys.

Anybody wanting to own the gun in Britain would need a section 1 firearms licence.

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I know most Freepers don't think guns are available in the UK, so I posted this as a matter of general interest.
1 posted on 01/02/2013 7:46:17 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp
need a section 1 firearms licence.

how many asses does one need to kiss to get a license for a massacre gun?

2 posted on 01/02/2013 7:48:11 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Da_Shrimp
LETHAL assault rifles like the one used in America’s Sandy Hook school massacre are being LEGALLY sold in Britain.

Except for that whole bit about it firing .22 LR ammo, a great deal less powerful than that fired by the Bushmaster.

The only significant way this rifle is "like" the one used at Sandy Hook is that it has a superficial visual similarity.

Not to mention the obvious fact that neither of these guns is an "assault rifle."

Most American journos have at least switched to calling them "assault weapons," which has a vague enough definition to be be somewhat accurate.

3 posted on 01/02/2013 7:52:12 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Da_Shrimp
Ruger SR-22

.22LR is a lot less powerful than a .223

Compared in the image below.


4 posted on 01/02/2013 7:54:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: TurboZamboni
Quite a few ;-)

The current licensing procedure involves: positive verification of identity, two referees of verifiable good character who have known the applicant for at least two years (and who may themselves be interviewed and/or investigated as part of the certification), approval of the application by the applicant's own family doctor, an inspection of the premises and cabinet where firearms will be kept and a face-to-face interview by a Firearms Enquiry Officer (FEO) also known as a Firearms Liaison Officer (FLO). A thorough background check of the applicant is then made by Special Branch on behalf of the firearms licensing department. Only when all these stages have been satisfactorily completed will a license be issued, which must be renewed every 5 years.

5 posted on 01/02/2013 7:55:10 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp; marktwain

Now semi-auto rifles, owned by millions of civilians and carried by millions of soldiers and police, are “massacre guns.”

Could see this one coming.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 7:55:38 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Da_Shrimp
There's FAR more firearms in the UK than you would think. When I was over there in the early 1990’s and started up a conversation about guns, it was amazing that just about everybody seemed to have a pistol grandpa took off a dead Nazi in the attic or the combat rifle he never turned back in after the war. I doubt that's changed in the last 20 years...
7 posted on 01/02/2013 7:56:13 AM PST by apillar
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To: Sherman Logan
Most American journos have at least switched to calling them "assault weapons," which has a vague enough definition to be be somewhat accurate.

Allows sidearms to be drawn in to whatever ban gimmick they have in mind.

My 1911 is an "assault weapon" (semi-automatic)?

8 posted on 01/02/2013 7:57:52 AM PST by grobdriver
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To: Sherman Logan
The Sun is never knowingly understated... or indeed out-hyperboled.
9 posted on 01/02/2013 7:58:18 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Travis McGee
Well, they're only 'massacre guns' when we, the unanointed, possess them. In the hands of the all-powerful, all-knowing agents of the God-state, they are 'duty guns'.

Which means that their duty is to conduct massacres, I guess.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

10 posted on 01/02/2013 8:04:36 AM PST by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

AFAIK, these guns aren’t semi-auto in Britain. You have to jerk bolt between shots.


11 posted on 01/02/2013 8:06:57 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Da_Shrimp

The relevant fact for most is buried in the story:

“... Semi-automatic centre-fire rifles were banned in Britain after the 1987 Hungerford massacre, when Michael Ryan, 27, used two of the weapons as he shot dead 16 people.

But rim-fire rifles escaped the ban...”


12 posted on 01/02/2013 8:07:29 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: cunning_fish

Rimfire cartridge semi-autos would seem to be legal in the UK, with licensing.

The article is a call to ban rimfire SAs.


13 posted on 01/02/2013 8:10:01 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Da_Shrimp

I must admit, however, that UK journalism is a great deal more fun to read than the US version.


14 posted on 01/02/2013 8:10:01 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: cunning_fish
AFAIK, these guns aren’t semi-auto in Britain. You have to jerk bolt between shots.

I'm not sure. I shoot, but only at clay pigeons using a shotgun.

15 posted on 01/02/2013 8:10:20 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: TurboZamboni

And do you get to keep it at home loaded for self defense or do you have keep it unloaded and disassembled or a “registered gun club?”

And it is a .22 LR, for heaven’s sake.


16 posted on 01/02/2013 8:12:47 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: thackney

I’m thinking a head shot with a .22LR will surely mess up your day.


17 posted on 01/02/2013 8:13:54 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Da_Shrimp

Just looked at your home page was gobsmacked by your gorgeous photos. How does it feel to live in paradise?


18 posted on 01/02/2013 8:15:53 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: SkyDancer

While it certainly can be lethal, it is certainly no where near the same as the .223.

Man shot in head 5 years ago didn’t know it
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2010/08/24/germany-shot-in-head.html

A Polish man living in Germany was shot in the back of his head five years ago but didn’t realize it until just recently, police in Bochum said Tuesday.

The 35-year-old man was drunk and partying in the western town of Herne when he was hit by a .22-calibre bullet, police said.


19 posted on 01/02/2013 8:17:49 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: miss marmelstein

It’s lovely, miss m. I love walking in the Derbyshire and Cheshire hills.


20 posted on 01/02/2013 8:19:41 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Little Ray
And do you get to keep it at home loaded for self defense or do you have keep it unloaded and disassembled or a “registered gun club?”

I guess that was really addressed to me? You have to have a secure gun cabinet and keep ammo and weapons separately.

21 posted on 01/02/2013 8:22:15 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: thackney

You really have to be up close and personal. Then too, what size .22 was he hit with and how far away was the shooter? Most “assassination” guns are .22’s - the Israeli Mossad uses them. A .22 will whiz around your brain box scrambling it.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 8:24:33 AM PST by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Da_Shrimp
The Ruger SR-22 is a 22-caliber rimfire pistol.

It's not even a rifle. The Bushmaster is a rifle.

23 posted on 01/02/2013 8:24:45 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("More law, less justice." --Cicero)
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To: Da_Shrimp

Ack, those are nothing. In America, every 12 year old has a fully automatic massacre weapon.


24 posted on 01/02/2013 8:26:30 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Ruger SR-22 is also available as a rifle.

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Rifle/models.html


25 posted on 01/02/2013 8:27:03 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Da_Shrimp

I’m so jealous. Just did a quick google to find out more about Derbyshire - pronounced DAR-by-sher?


26 posted on 01/02/2013 8:27:38 AM PST by miss marmelstein ( Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Da_Shrimp

So, essentially, the firearm is useless. Big deal.


27 posted on 01/02/2013 8:28:07 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: SkyDancer

22 were used for assignation pistols only because of the ability to very effectively silence them.

They can be effectively silenced because they are so low power, lower speed bullet.

You can kill with them. But because they are such low power, it is typical for states to ban hunting with them.


28 posted on 01/02/2013 8:29:56 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: miss marmelstein

DAR-by-sher it is, with the Y as a short sound. ;-)


29 posted on 01/02/2013 8:33:51 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp

*snicker*

The Sr-22 is a .22lr woodchuck gun.
http://www.ruger.com/products/sr22Rifle/models.html

It “Looks” scary, but is pretty much a dressed up 10/22.


30 posted on 01/02/2013 8:36:42 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It's not even a rifle. The Bushmaster is a rifle.

You should write to The Sun and point it out. Mind you, that'd ruin their hysterical headline.

31 posted on 01/02/2013 8:37:08 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp

Since the SR-22 is available as a rifle, it might not make such a change to them.


32 posted on 01/02/2013 8:39:12 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Da_Shrimp

http://www.ruger.com/products/sr556/index.html

If they REALLY wanted to get spicy naughty, they should sell the SR-556.


33 posted on 01/02/2013 8:40:44 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

I don’t think those are legal in UK. I believe only the rim-fire is available in semi-auto.


34 posted on 01/02/2013 8:45:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Darksheare

Now THAT looks fun!


35 posted on 01/02/2013 8:47:00 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp

Reading the uberliberal media is hilarious.

Every rifle in the world, no matter the make, manufacturer, caliber, etc. has the ability to be lethal, perform an assault and be intimidating. Of course a human behind the controls is required before any of these horrendous adjectives can be realized.

I’m surprised this article didn’t label rifles as dangerous.


36 posted on 01/02/2013 8:47:11 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: thackney

Sadly that is true.
Centerfire is not legal from what I understand.
The Sun is peeing themselves over a .22lr woodchuck gun that ‘looks’ scary.
Strip it out and it is a Ruger 10/22 action and trigger group with exra exterior glamour bits.


37 posted on 01/02/2013 8:48:44 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Da_Shrimp

“Massacre guns”...from the country that has already outlawed “serial killer handguns” and in the process of making illegal their “holocaust steak knives”.


38 posted on 01/02/2013 8:50:03 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Da_Shrimp

I know!
NY state doesn’t like most of that product line because of the scary MUZZLE BRAKE and the terrifying six position stock.


39 posted on 01/02/2013 8:50:23 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: apillar
Guns in closets and attic's ok what good are they if your looking prison for just owning them. Let alone training and practicing with them.
40 posted on 01/02/2013 8:51:19 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Darksheare

UK rabbits tremble in fear over the cosmetics, don’t you know.


41 posted on 01/02/2013 8:52:18 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

LOL, probably!


42 posted on 01/02/2013 9:02:42 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Da_Shrimp

To put this into perspective, my 8-year old daughter has an SR-22.

It replaced her pink Ruger 10-22 because she’s a lefty and the discharged rounds burned her arm.

I believe she’s murdered over 1000 iron siloutte targets of dinosaurs, ground hogs, and squirrels.


43 posted on 01/02/2013 9:02:56 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca
That does indeed put it in perspective. Not that that would bother The Sun. It makes a good hysterical headline!
44 posted on 01/02/2013 9:15:53 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: Da_Shrimp
A .22 LR is the same as a NATO .223? Who knew? /s
45 posted on 01/02/2013 9:15:53 AM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: TurboZamboni
how many asses does one need to kiss to get a license for a massacre gun?

Brits don't kiss ass. They kiss 'arse.'

46 posted on 01/02/2013 9:19:46 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Ruger SR-22 is a 22-caliber rimfire pistol.

Technically the pistol is the SR-22P, and the rifle is the SR-22R.

47 posted on 01/02/2013 9:22:20 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: bgill

MRS Turbo and I both got new .22 massacre weapons yesterday.

I already had a bunch of ‘hicap’ massacre mags for them so figured it was time to get the rifles ,too.


48 posted on 01/02/2013 9:53:14 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: thackney

.22s are allowed for hunting in almost every state. The restrictions are on deer and bear in VA. Has to be .23 or larger.


49 posted on 01/02/2013 10:00:20 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Sherman Logan

kudos to page 3 girls...


50 posted on 01/02/2013 10:03:50 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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