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So... tell me again, what did Obama win?
January 2, 2013 | Lancey Howard

Posted on 01/02/2013 11:53:59 AM PST by Lancey Howard

The more I think about the last few days, the more I question whether the African communist actually won anything.

I mean, what’s different now from two weeks ago? Answer: The Bush tax rates are now permanent for 98% of American earners. It would be nice if it was 100%, but geez... The top 2% merely go back to where they were 10 years ago. (The real mistake occurred 10 years ago when the Republicans failed to insist that the rates be made permanent at that time.)

As far as spending “cuts” go, the debt ceiling debate can be used to force that issue and if all else fails, the “painful” sequestration cuts will happen automatically in two months (yesterday’s vote merely put them off for two months), while the Bush tax rates are STILL permanent for 98% of American earners.

(shrug)

I just can’t make myself gnash my teeth about all this the way some around here seem to be doing. To me it looks like Ubanga threw the Republicans into the briar patch.


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1 posted on 01/02/2013 11:54:00 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

The game.


2 posted on 01/02/2013 11:54:54 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Question: "So... tell me again, what did Obama win?"

Answer: The power and will to commence looting!

3 posted on 01/02/2013 11:57:22 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Lancey Howard

Another free trip to Hawaii and the belief that he is the awesomest dude ever.


4 posted on 01/02/2013 11:57:48 AM PST by humblegunner
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To: Lancey Howard

For the most part I tend to agree with you. I fail to see what ‘big’ win Obama secured by having the Bush tax cuts made permanent for 98%+...


5 posted on 01/02/2013 11:58:06 AM PST by tatown
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To: Lancey Howard
That 2% were my customers. I've already talked to one today. "Thanks, but your services will no longer be required until this crap gets sorted out."

You keep on supporting the GOP. Cheerleading for them...

I'm done with 'em.

/johnny

6 posted on 01/02/2013 12:00:32 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lancey Howard

Do you work for a small business?


7 posted on 01/02/2013 12:00:50 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Lancey Howard; sickoflibs

Good question. I am not sure what he won. You are right about the debt ceiling. This is the one where the GOP holds the cards. However, the GOPe needs the Tea Party and the Tea Party needs the GOPe. St George did not defeat the Dragon by fighting St Andrew.


8 posted on 01/02/2013 12:01:37 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Lancey Howard

The spelunkers are now part of the deal that added another $3 Trillion in debt obligations. The house approved it.

Going over the cliff would have reduced the debt obligations. It would have raised taxes on everybody too. But that is comming one way or another.

Our elected spelunkers need force spending CUTS, REAL CUTS. Not just lowering budget growths, they need to push for cuts to existing budgets like the EPA, FDA, FCC, PBS, SS, Medicaire, Medicaid, Welfare, Unemployment, Etc.

The president gets to raise taxes and more debt. The raised taxes will not actually increase tax revenue to the Fed. It will have businesses and proprietors shuffling the chairs on the ship deck again. That’s all.


9 posted on 01/02/2013 12:02:25 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Given that the rats own the White House and the Senate, I think the Republicans did okay. ...For now. It will be interesting to see what the “debt ceiling” negotiations yield as far as “cuts” go. In any event, I see nothing but upside for the Republicans from this point forward, IF they have the balls to be bold and call the African communist’s bluff. The main thing is DONE - - the Bush tax rates are now permanent for 98% of American earners. (Plus, I believe the Republicans even got some other tax break concessions out of the deal.)

The next Number One on the agenda has to be the defunding of Mengelecare.


10 posted on 01/02/2013 12:03:39 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
What did he win? The full ability to destroy the rest of the U.S.A.
11 posted on 01/02/2013 12:03:53 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Lancey Howard

Well, some of those “Republicans” who fought making them permanent 10 years ago (like McCain and Graham) are now (and two years ago) whining about letting them increase.


12 posted on 01/02/2013 12:04:11 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: Lancey Howard

The Republicans know why they got nothing out of this: The expiration of the tax rates meant they could only contain their losses here. But what about the Democrats? Now they have gotten their tax increase, and what has it gained them but the prospect of an even slower economy? What’s their game plan?


13 posted on 01/02/2013 12:04:38 PM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Question: “So... tell me again, what did Obama win?”

Answer: The power and will to commence looting!

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Yes. As well as again showing the Repubs for what they are. Weak cowards who will not fight for what is right for Americans and our country. No fight for spending reduction. No fight to STOP OBAMA’S DESTRUCTIVE TAXATION to support the socialist takeover of America, directly and by so-called Obamacare.


14 posted on 01/02/2013 12:05:21 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Lancey Howard

Obama won his class warfare canard along with 1 year more of unemployment benefits to grow the welfare class while not creating jobs. I’d say he won big!


15 posted on 01/02/2013 12:06:35 PM PST by avacado
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To: Cyber Liberty
I have a small stock of pay envelopes that I won't be using this year, starting day after tomorrow.

/johnny

16 posted on 01/02/2013 12:06:59 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Lancey Howard
So what percent of the vote did they say he got? Bill Klinton got about 33% so what did the Chicago looter get.
17 posted on 01/02/2013 12:08:04 PM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
You keep on supporting the GOP. Cheerleading for them...

Are you a joke?
No, I didn't vote for Mittens, and I vote ONLY for conservatives.
By no stretch am I "a cheerleader for the GOP".

All that is irrelevant to the deal struck during the past couple of weeks, which is what I am addressing. All the crying and whining and woe-is-me around here makes me sick. The work isn't done yet, not by a long shot. But what IS done is a major win for the Republicans, IMO.

Let's see what happens next before you hang yourself in the basement.

18 posted on 01/02/2013 12:11:02 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

He won Period. Taxes stay low on the lower classes so ‘the rich’ continue to foot the bill for all their stuff. 50% of the country is voting themselves free stuff and it just got worse. Barring complete collapse, we are one step closer to Europe. We also have further proof that the left has control of the messaging and our side continues to be incompetent at winning a public debate. Some of it is environment, but most of it is bad strategy and messaging. That is more upsetting than a change in tax rates.


19 posted on 01/02/2013 12:11:13 PM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: Lancey Howard
So... tell me again, what did Obama win?

More taxes, more spending... and no cuts to speak of.

20 posted on 01/02/2013 12:13:30 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Lancey Howard

I don’t think JR is going to be hanging himself in the basement, and if by major win for the republicans you mean their committing suicide then you’d be right on that.

They will lose every confrontation, debate or neogtiation from this point forward...or backward for that matter. They have revealed their cowardice and their weakness. You can say goodbye to them in 2014.


21 posted on 01/02/2013 12:17:13 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I am with you Lancey....always so much doom and gloom around here. Of course the media will play it as a win for Obama and the rats...so what. Tax cuts r good!


22 posted on 01/02/2013 12:17:33 PM PST by yellowdoghunter
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To: Lancey Howard

“Answer: The Bush tax rates are now permanent for 98% of American earners.”

No, their not permanent. Their only permanent until they raise them again.


23 posted on 01/02/2013 12:17:47 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Tenacious 1
Going over the cliff would have reduced the debt obligations. It would have raised taxes on everybody too.

Guess what? We are STILL scheduled to "go over the cliff" in two months, at least as far as the "cuts" go. All yesterday's bill did was delay the cuts for two months. The tax part of the equation is settled - - the lower Bush tax rates are now permanent for most people.

24 posted on 01/02/2013 12:18:19 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: JRandomFreeper

You obviously saw what I did there....


25 posted on 01/02/2013 12:18:29 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Lancey Howard

“Answer: The Bush tax rates are now permanent for 98% of American earners.”

No, they are not permanent. Their only permanent until they raise them again.


26 posted on 01/02/2013 12:18:45 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Lancey Howard
First, I'd have to install a basement.

Second, I'm more likely to hang politicians and their supporters from lamp-posts.

Lots of folks losing business this week, and lots of folks hearing that they no longer have a job.

You can't get around that.

/johnny

27 posted on 01/02/2013 12:18:45 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ColdOne

And with our spineless congress in place, it will be a walk in the park.


28 posted on 01/02/2013 12:19:23 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: Lancey Howard
He gets to raise taxes on the top 2% or whatever percentage of earners who make quite a contribution to this economy. How do you think they are gonna react now? How does that help the economy? On top of that, we are adding trillions to the debt as there was no spending cuts in this deal.

If you think the Repubs are gonna hold out for a better deficit reduction deal when time comes for the Debt Limit negotiations, then there is a bridge somewhere I would like to sell you. Show me the evidence in the past where they have fought? Cmon man, don't blow sunshine on this, we were sold down the river.

Also, this premise that some on here like to say about tax cuts for 98% of the population is bogus. what about the payroll tax increase? Cmon man, dont be delusional.

29 posted on 01/02/2013 12:21:50 PM PST by hotsteppa
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To: babygene
No, their not permanent. Their only permanent until they raise them again.

Like the rats did back in '93, just before they got swept out of the House for the first time in 40 years?
Yeah, they'll raise taxes again. Sure they will.

30 posted on 01/02/2013 12:21:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Cyber Liberty
Kid called me earlier. She has to let one go. She's something of of softie. It's breaking her heart, but the numbers just aren't there. I think she's going to give the girl 2 weeks notice or pay in lieu.

/johnny

31 posted on 01/02/2013 12:22:29 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: hotsteppa
...what about the payroll tax increase?

The payroll tax "holiday" was Ubama's, and so is the end of the payroll tax "holiday". He owns it.
Get a grip.

32 posted on 01/02/2013 12:25:16 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I teach children music, private lessons, in their home. It is my only means of support, as I was violently widowed last year, lost my house, and am living from check to check.

Probably most, if not all of my customers make more than $400,000 a year. Once these punitive tax rates kick in, they will start cutting back on goods and services that they consider superfluous.

Guess who will be the first to go.


33 posted on 01/02/2013 12:29:13 PM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Interesting that yours in one of several posted on FR this morning (I am sure more to follow), that is simply put -”what’s the big deal?”
No wonder the Republicans caved.....they will be supported by those very people who are saying, “what’s the big deal?”


34 posted on 01/02/2013 12:29:21 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Lancey Howard

He owns it along with the Repubs. You need to get a grip and again as I said, you are delusional. Read and weep below:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2974310/posts


35 posted on 01/02/2013 12:29:39 PM PST by hotsteppa
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To: Lancey Howard
Guess what? We are STILL scheduled to "go over the cliff" in two months, at least as far as the "cuts" go. All yesterday's bill did was delay the cuts for two months. The tax part of the equation is settled - - the lower Bush tax rates are now permanent for most people.

I suppose you are right. We just set everything up for another chance to cave in February. And they will. There will be some token cut planned for the future that will save a few billion dollars. Then they'll vote to raise the debt limit again.

36 posted on 01/02/2013 12:30:02 PM PST by Tenacious 1 (The Click-&-Paste Media exists & works in Utopia, riding unicorns & sniffing pixy dust.)
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To: svcw
Yup they always come on here whenever the GOPe sells us out.
They want us to all to be proud that a crap sandwhich deal was made.
37 posted on 01/02/2013 12:33:38 PM PST by hotsteppa
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To: left that other site
Prayers up. It's gonna be a long time to summer.

I feel bad about the girl my daughter has to let go. She's a good kid, bright and smart, and now in a very tight spot. If I could help her out, I would, but.... That desk drawer is closed as of yesterday.

/johnny

38 posted on 01/02/2013 12:35:03 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chris37

I wouldn’t even say that. Nobody beats the man upstairs, no matter how hard you try to fight.


39 posted on 01/02/2013 12:35:54 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: 353FMG

Yep, and they are all going to be exempt from the carnage.


40 posted on 01/02/2013 12:37:36 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Lancey Howard

He won the hearts and soles of the weak, addled, greedy, lazy, ignorant, self centered, self serving bums - and so on.............


41 posted on 01/02/2013 12:41:22 PM PST by jongaltsr
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To: left that other site
I have a friend who used to manufacture ceramic bath fixtures for jet planes and yachts. I say "used to" because when they passed increased taxes on luxury items back in the 90s, he had to discontinue making them. One of his customers was Trump. But, because of the tax hike on luxury items many little businesses disappeared.

People think that somehow because the top 2% are getting it now that us in the lower 98% don't have to worry. They better think again, because they are aiming for all of us.

42 posted on 01/02/2013 12:43:09 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Lancey Howard

Every single time people think only the rich got soaked, they will find themselves getting soaked even worse, think the Alternative Minimum Tax.


43 posted on 01/02/2013 12:43:19 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: hotsteppa

Just like in 1938, Hitler only got the Sudetenland, and of course within the year, he wound up getting all of Czechoslovakia. And for sure, Obama will eventually come for the rest.


44 posted on 01/02/2013 12:45:34 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: ilgipper

If it Wasn’t for the bad strategy, the Republican’s would have had no strategy at all ...


45 posted on 01/02/2013 12:47:25 PM PST by 11th_VA (Keep your laws OFF my weapons.)
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To: Perdogg

You’re dreaming. As the debt ceiling matter ramps-up, the Rancid Media will equate Boehner with a cannibalistic child- molester. Boehner will cry, wet his pants, and let Obama have whatever he wants. Sometimes I wish that congressmen caning one another on the floor and shooting one another in duels was a better system.


46 posted on 01/02/2013 12:53:07 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Second, I'm more likely to hang politicians and their supporters from lamp-posts.

All I'm saying is, let's see what happens next. All that happened yesterday was a "stop gap" measure - -a delaying tactic for both sides (except for 98% of the Bush tax cuts being made PERMANENT). It was merely a charade, bukkake theater. If the Republicns end up caving in the next round, then I will happily supply the rope. And a winch. And tie the nooses.

47 posted on 01/02/2013 12:57:17 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
I just can’t make myself gnash my teeth about all this the way some around here seem to be doing.

Same here. Doom and Gloom is for morons, even if you're being lead away to the gallows.
48 posted on 01/02/2013 12:58:02 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Do you work for a small business?

No. I am self-employed (as a corporation). That is, I AM a "small business".

49 posted on 01/02/2013 1:00:11 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
except for 98% of the Bush tax cuts being made PERMANENT

What one congress passes, another can undo. Your PERMANENT is a fleeting wisp of a thing.

/johnny

50 posted on 01/02/2013 1:00:44 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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