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If only Romney were President...(Vanity - Heard this Lame Accusation Too Many Times)
1/2/13 | Me

Posted on 01/02/2013 3:45:06 PM PST by ziravan

I'm getting tired of the "See, and you guys didn't like Romney, so this is what you get" garbage floating around lately.

Assume a Romney Administration with the so-called 'fiscal cliff' debate extended into his watch, and this is what you've got:

WH: Republican. Congress: Republican. Senate: Democrat or barely Republican and not able to sustain a filibuster.

Here is President Romney at his press conference announcing a deal on the 'fiscal cliff', "As you know, Senate Democrat leaders have been intransigent on a budget deal that would avoid the fiscal cliff. In order to protect as many people as possible from the negative effects of the fiscal cliff, we've agreed in principle to a deal that provides tax protection for 98% of Americans".

The deal you would have seen would look almost exactly like the deal you see now.

Why? Democrats would have brought the government to its knees to get their way, held their heads up high, and been proud to do it.

RINOS caved and would have caved, even had they held the White House during this debate. This isn't about who has the levers of power; it's about who'll use them to stand up for their beliefs.

Even in this environment, the GOP has the tools to fight this. The House controls the purse strings. They didn't need a President Romney to avoid this outcome. They only needed a few stones.

The GOP could have had our backs. They didn't because the leadership has a very different agenda than the rank and file. To suggest that with Romney, the GOP-e would have functioned differently is to fundamentally misunderstand what's happening.

I've heard this "Until we control the Senate" garbage out of the mouths of current Members of Congress. It's a pathetic excuse for selling us out.

I held my nose and voted for Romney. Enough! Stop with the garbage about all the wonderful crap the benighted Mittster would have done for us. Mitt is part of the GOP establishment that brought you today's outcome.

The outcome would have been the same on his watch as it was on Boehner's.

THE PROBLEM HERE ISN'T THE LIBERALS PROSECUTING THEIR AGENDA.

IT'S OUR GUYS FAILING TO STAND UP FOR OURS.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: cliff; fiscal; obama; romney
"That guy" in the White House is an ideologue. It would have taken and ideologue to beat him. That wasn't Mitt. Our problem isn't the lack of Mitt, or even the White House.

It's the lack of courage and conviction from our own guys. Republicans have the power to defeat the left's agenda in Washington, even after accounting for the 2012 election.

What they don't have is the courage of our convictions to do so.. Hell, the GOP-e doesn't even share our convictions, much less our courage. THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

1 posted on 01/02/2013 3:45:16 PM PST by ziravan
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To: ziravan

Rick Santorum is right.

Congress isn’t going to help us, the GOP held states are the only ones holding the line at this point.


2 posted on 01/02/2013 3:48:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: ziravan

Too bad you don’t like the obvious truth. Hope your fantasy keeps you warm at night.


3 posted on 01/02/2013 3:48:51 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: ziravan
The plan was to get Romney and GOP Senate. Jim DeMint discussed this last July. I would much rather have Romney being inaugurated two weeks from Sunday, and so should you.
4 posted on 01/02/2013 3:49:48 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: ziravan

You are one giant hypothetical. Artistic license, I guess.


5 posted on 01/02/2013 3:51:37 PM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Andrei Bulba

The obvious truth is that Mitt Romney was built of the same cloth that brought you last night’s vote. He wouldn’t have saved us from this deal. Like Boehner, he’d be endorsing it.

The only difference with a Republican Administration, at least with the so-called ‘fiscal cliff’ is that this deal would be presented to you as the REPUBLICAN alternative and we’d all be accused here of not being good little members of the GOP because we don’t support stupid economics 101.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 3:53:40 PM PST by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: ziravan

We simply would be facing the exact same situation if Romney won simply because the inauguration isn’t until January 20th so Obama would still be President.

Everything else is just speculation.


7 posted on 01/02/2013 3:54:44 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Perdogg

I voted for Romney. I would have must preferred he’d have won.

I doubt that would have changed the outcome of the ‘fiscal cliff’ because so long as the Democrats controlled any lever of power, they’d have fought for their agenda.

The GOP controls the House that controls the purse strings. That was more than enough to stand up for our beliefs. Hell, forget beliefs, the deal is stupid for the economy and will NOT bring in the revenue they suggest. The GOP had the power to do their jobs and protect the economy from this travesty.

They didn’t. They caved.

The GOP doesn’t stand up for our core convictions.


8 posted on 01/02/2013 3:57:54 PM PST by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: ziravan
Damning with faint praise:

At least [insert favorite RINO here] is better than Obama.

9 posted on 01/02/2013 3:57:54 PM PST by DManA
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To: ziravan

If only Herman Cain waas president! They did a Joseph with the coat of many colors on him, and the people bought it!


10 posted on 01/02/2013 3:58:04 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: ziravan

I was thinking of what a good, thoughtful response to your vanity might be, and only came up with: “See, and you guys didn’t like Romney, so this is what you get.”


11 posted on 01/02/2013 4:00:47 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: Perdogg
The plan was to get Romney and GOP Senate. Jim DeMint discussed this last July. I would much rather have Romney being inaugurated two weeks from Sunday, and so should you.

Rather, yeah. MUCH rather? Probably not. The premise of the article is pretty spot on. Dems fight to win (and also have the media covering for them). Republicans are the French surrender monkeys of the political world.

12 posted on 01/02/2013 4:03:04 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: ziravan
The GOP doesn’t stand up for our core convictions.

Hell, they don't even stand up for THEIR core convictions. Well, unless their core convictions are that letting Commies run wild is the best thing for the nation.

13 posted on 01/02/2013 4:05:48 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Paperdoll
If only Herman Cain waas president! They did a Joseph with the coat of many colors on him, and the people bought it!

They dispatched him pretty quick. He neutralized the race card so they saw him as a threat. Cain would have made a great President, but the same qualities that would have made him great, would make him a lousy candidate.

14 posted on 01/02/2013 4:13:12 PM PST by YankeeReb
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To: ziravan
IT'S OUR GUYS FAILING TO STAND UP FOR OURS.

Exactly right. Liberalism is succeeding because there is no opposition.

15 posted on 01/02/2013 4:23:08 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Perdogg

You can’t nominate this and expect to win. We tried to tell you but you wouldn’t listen.

Romney: The Boy Scouts should admit homosexuals
8/7/2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2915967/posts


16 posted on 01/02/2013 4:26:40 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Perdogg

This deal would have been the same regardless. The same actors would have been involved. Romney without a Senate would be close to the same after 1/20. He shares the lack of conviction, and this would lead to capitulation. It would have required a sweep of all three to make much of a difference going forward. As long as the drive by media has someone to support, the majority of voters will not know what is happening.


17 posted on 01/02/2013 4:48:52 PM PST by Ingtar (Everyone complains about the weather, but only Liberals try to legislate it.)
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To: ziravan
"That guy" in the White House is an ideologue. It would have taken and ideologue to beat him. That wasn't Mitt.

BINGO!

18 posted on 01/02/2013 4:55:27 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: ziravan
The deal you would have seen would look almost exactly like the deal you see now.

Put down the Slivovitz.

19 posted on 01/02/2013 5:10:19 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: ziravan
The deal you would have seen would look almost exactly like the deal you see now.

Right. The difference would be that it would have gotten MORE Republican votes, because some of the less committed conservatives would have voted Aye out of party loyalty to a Republican President.
20 posted on 01/02/2013 5:19:02 PM PST by Eagle Forgotten
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To: ziravan

If you paid any attention to the campaign you wouldn’t be talking out of your rear. A president Romney would have been working with the republicans, not through Biden and Reid. He never would have proposed or supported tax increases on the wealthy or anyone else. He wanted to cut corporate tax rates.

But hey, make up that a president Romney would have been just like the most radical leftist destroyer ever to sit in the oval office. How idiotic.


21 posted on 01/02/2013 6:47:31 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba

It doesn’t matter if a “Pres Romney” would have been less radical than “that guy”. It only matters what the GOP-e would have settled for after the fight.

It would have been close to the deal passed last night.

Why? Control of the White House wasn’t essential to this deal. What was essential is that both sides had enough levers of power to force a stalemate and the GOP-e is more afraid of a stalemate than the Rats.

The same “the media is going to crucify you” routine would have come into play. Etc. Etc.

When both sides can stall the process, the side more afraid of the stall is going to lose. That should be them, they have more to fear from government not running exactly as they want it to run. Time and time again, it’s the GOP-e that blinks.

I paid attention to the campaign. Romney talked a game. At the end of the day, he’s just another establishment shill and the outcome of this particular showdown wouldn’t have changed because the rats weren’t going to blink first.

Now. I think the Dems could be made to blink first. They could have been forced to accept extending the whole Bush Tax Cuts, just as they could be forced to accept much harsher spending cuts that they would otherwise want in the debt showdown coming up.

The media will be the left’s ally for about a month in any showdown. After that it would become clear that both sides are sticking to their guns, no matter what. At THAT point, any showdown (higher taxes on everybody, shutting down the government, etc) exponentially begins to hurt Democrats more.

It would take six weeks for the Dems to cave. We just don’t have true believers in leadership positions to wait out the other side.

We could have waited them out here and now, without President Romney. Instead, the GOP-e caved. How would Romney at the helm have been any different?

Would the GOP-e have had the guts to stand up for weeks/months at a time to get a better deal with Romney in charge? Of course not.


22 posted on 01/02/2013 7:57:13 PM PST by ziravan (Choose sides.)
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To: Still Thinking
Republicans are the French surrender monkeys of the political world.

Now that is an insult... to the French. The French have, at least, put up more than token resistance (the recent liberal-party president undid the modest gains incurred by his conservative predecessor) -- the GOP has not stood for any of their stated platform planks in the years I've been politically aware (I'm only 30).

23 posted on 01/02/2013 9:25:55 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ziravan

Thank you for the lengthy essay, I’m sorry you don’t see how pointless it is to be criticizing Mitt Romney at this point. Clearly Barack Obama is the problem now.


24 posted on 01/02/2013 10:17:12 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: YankeeReb

Lousy is in the eye of the beholder Which means the dumbed down eledtorate would not have recdognized his superior gifts so vitally needed for the salvation of the country.

But I do not agree with you entirely. The people loved the man hung on hus evert wiord, but even they proved fickle as they bought the filthylies!

A tragedy!


25 posted on 01/13/2013 11:21:26 AM PST by Paperdoll
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