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Gun confiscation: How will it start?

Posted on 01/02/2013 4:03:29 PM PST by rustyboots

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To: wrench

With all the supposition that gun confiscations is a logistical impossibility in this land, it would do us well to consider ‘The Plan’ that every despotic Marxist regime requires to achieve absolute power to impose genocidal pograms against their own people.

If the goal is the complete destruction of the entire American system in order to build from it’s ashes - a Marxist Utopia - then what is required is massive bloodshed and conflict. This stops life as we know it, shelves empty, JIT system empties any possibility of restocking, free travel is a risk if not prohibited.

In such a scenario - how long do any of you think it will be before the MAJORITY of entitlement-minded Americans, (led to believe that all the conflict is the result of ‘Bitter-Clinger White Republican-types”) - will gladly accept and APPLAUD - an iron-fisted sweep of the declared enemies of the state under the promise of ‘restoring things back to normal”??

Neighbors, friends and family would turn you in and betray you in a New York second for the promise of bread and a promise of a return to ‘normalcy’.

And I believe that is EXACTLY why the Ruling Class MarxoFascist regime and their media stormtroopers are stoking and pushing this nation to such an inevitability. They understand human nature in the grips of desperation that most of us assume is not possible here.

And I believe that is the card they are playing. They WANT chaos, they WANT a scapegoat to impose what they truly intend. If memory serves, some FBI agent called Grathworl reported that Obama’s handlers and professors back in the 80’s were wargaming exterminating 70 million Americans who they thought could not be ‘re-educated’ to the ‘change’.

History teaches that once a climate of fear is established, and mass desperation, starvation and chaos reigns - children turn in their own parents for a mere promise of an extra ration - and the whole people knuckle under and walk themselves to the camps and willingly endure subjugation.

I think that is where we are being led - and our guns are not going to spare us from this inevitability the way things are playing out now.


101 posted on 01/02/2013 7:08:17 PM PST by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Ouderkirk

Wow! Same story here – guy’s name was Art Corvel….. Vandelay… yeah, that’s.


102 posted on 01/02/2013 7:19:13 PM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: Osage Orange

Will you own illegal guns or turn them in?

Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Kinda cool.


103 posted on 01/02/2013 7:20:01 PM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: INVAR

They will do it guns or no guns


104 posted on 01/02/2013 7:33:02 PM PST by wrench (I want my country back)
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To: rustyboots

bump


105 posted on 01/02/2013 7:42:17 PM PST by VTenigma
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To: dynachrome

Yes, and there’s only 100 million to be traced.

Unless you’re worried about being first and caught unaware, think about how you’d react to the news of this invasion of privacy.
1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendment violations.


106 posted on 01/02/2013 8:03:43 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Drew68

Drew - I heard a rumor that you went to Gander Mountain...


107 posted on 01/02/2013 8:35:56 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: mnehring
It will start out with a national registration program. With that registration will come a registration tax, just like your car. Every year you will have to renew your registration and pay the tax. The tax will gradually increase. It will initially be small, maybe $50. Most gun owners, being law-abiding citizens will comply. Then, each year the registration fees will increase until a majority of gun owners can’t afford to pay the fee each year.

They already pulled that with my house. Now, it's theirs, and I just pay rent on it to them, even though I "technically" own it outright.

I'm thinking not.

108 posted on 01/02/2013 8:39:27 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: kiryandil

Think about this. The 1923 gun ban put a $200 tax stamp on all the restricted firearms. In 2011 dollars that is $2606. A typical gun owner in Texas with a few hunting rifles, shotguns, pistols could easily have 10 guns. That is a Twenty Six Thousand dollar tax bill each year just for the ‘right’ to own his guns. (and for many I know, 10 is just the number under the bed).

That kind of bill creates either a criminal or a disarmed citizen.


109 posted on 01/02/2013 8:57:20 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Born to Conserve

Your scenario is the most logical and realistic.

Unfortunately...


110 posted on 01/02/2013 9:31:29 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: grumpygresh

“Let’s see what happens in IL. It looks like they may confiscate most guns there.”

Well I guess that will totally invalidate the Federal Court decision about three weeks ago ordering Illinois to adopt concealed carry, won’t it...?


111 posted on 01/02/2013 9:44:53 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: rolling_stone

“I suggest everyone take a deep breath relax and read Unintended Consequences by John Ross. Its a fictional look at overcoming tyranny, but it shows how one could fight back.”

Reading it right now, as should everyone else who reads this post.

Just open a google search page, enter the title, and throw in “pdf”.

You’ll know what to do next.


112 posted on 01/02/2013 9:59:31 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: mnehring
That kind of bill creates either a criminal or a disarmed citizen.

If you give up your guns, you'll STILL be marked with the sign of the GewehrJuden or GeschützJuden by the "authorities".

Only you'll be disarmed...

113 posted on 01/03/2013 9:01:39 AM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: popdonnelly

“Well, you could hide your guns. If enough people do that, what will the government do?”

Do you really think the fed will buy that childish excuse?
They will arrest and detain all you cowards that thought saying you lost them in a boating accident was funny. Saying such a thing is childish and cowardly. You either turn them over or get arrested and detained...or you use them.

The rest of us buy, own, and hold high our weapons and dare them to come and get them!


114 posted on 01/03/2013 9:22:24 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: rustyboots

It is start with road blocks, car search, and false flag terror.


115 posted on 01/03/2013 9:25:00 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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To: bmwcyle

Actually, it started several summers ago. Remember when federal employees came by and recorded GPS coordinates on every building in the US?

Then the next year, the census workers attached names to those buildings.

Not just damn, but JDAM.


116 posted on 01/03/2013 1:08:53 PM PST by wrench (I want my country back)
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To: 45Auto

“That’s what the lawyers call a “chilling effect” on the exercise of Constitutional rights....”

In my case it’s really just conserving ammo and money for preps. And OpSec - there is a time for bravado and a time for stealth.


117 posted on 01/03/2013 1:41:53 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: APatientMan

“The next time you drive the officer runs your tag...”

That officer has a life: friends, Family, a home, a car, etc.


In Germany and China, the local police were told to stand aside while the SS and Red Guard did their work.


118 posted on 01/03/2013 1:45:22 PM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Lord save me from some conservatives, they don't understand human nature any better than liberals.)
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To: wrench

Funny thing about the census; I am 57 years old, since I turned 18 I have never been contacted by a census worker, nor have I received any census forms in the mail. I am retired US Army, pay Federal taxes, currently hold a security clearance for my job. I have filled out more than my share of 4473s since I have lived at our current address. I have not tried to hide or anything, yet the census has never found me. Our home is not on latest Federal GPS map that I saw.
Are we being discriminated against? Can they really find me? LOL


119 posted on 01/03/2013 3:00:34 PM PST by rustyboots
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To: rustyboots

Spook, are ya?


120 posted on 01/03/2013 3:03:16 PM PST by wrench (I want my country back)
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To: riverrunner
I am somewhat concerned about the military support of such a crazy idea as gun confiscation. I have met many civilians who are a lot more educated on the Constitution and the Founders' intent than many Soldiers. Remember all those pics from post-Katrina? Photobucket
121 posted on 01/03/2013 3:43:06 PM PST by Dr. Pritchett
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To: rustyboots
It will never start. It will never pass. Even if did make it out of the Senate it will not pass the House. If it did pass the House it would be shot down in the Courts. If the courts failed half of the states would not comply right at the start and 75% of the counties all across the nation would not comply. There would be such an uproar from any type of confiscatory law that many groups would begin to organize minute man style bands or resistance with organized planning. Even if any version of a law was passed in D.C. we would all see it coming from a long way off.

Now, these Ruby Ridge and Waco posts are silly examples. LEO outnumbered their victims hundreds if not thousands to one in isolated areas with local LEO enabling and aiding the Feds. This would never be the case. It would be thousands to one the other way around with little local support in flyover America and a large amount of LEO noncompliance or out an out direct resistance from local LEO. It is not ever going to happen in our lifetimes.

They could go after the manufacturers of guns and ammo but black market would take over in time if any were shut down before this played out in the courts or with a change in administration.

On New Years Eve night it is illegal to shoot in the city or surrounding county islands. In ten minutes I heard WWIII going off with every caliber known to mankind going off continuously without ceasing far and wide for at least 20 square miles. enough rounds went off in ten minutes to take out 4 divisions in one large city in the central valley of California. All those discharges were illegal. Tens of thousands breaking the law simultaneously and nobody arrested. That was for fun, what do you think happens when the SHTF and it is serious business?

122 posted on 01/03/2013 4:03:25 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: rustyboots

I know that GoogleMaps can’t find me. It comes close to my mailbox location, but there is a ways to go after that to get to my house.

Remember, all those AR-type guns, tactical shotguns, and high-capacity pistols are for when the ants come. However, your first line of defense against something like this may be a long gun. YouTube has a wealth of information on the correct way to mount a scope, ammo selection, and long-range shooting techniques. You definitely want to be able to “reach out and touch someone” before they get close enough to do you any damage. Dust off that deer rifle and set it up to shoot long distance. Go find yourself a rifle range with distances to 300 yds, 500 yds, and beyond. Get to really know your gun and learn how to shoot those distances! Just for some peace of mind, I went out on the back 40 today and burned just a few rounds to make sure the trusty .308 was still tuned up.


123 posted on 01/03/2013 4:55:56 PM PST by eastexsteve
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To: Quickgun

“You have posted what I see as happening.”

Thank you, I am convinced there are many who not only agree, but consider themselves ready.


124 posted on 01/03/2013 4:56:11 PM PST by Matthew10 (spare the horsewhip, spoil the congressman Proverbs 32:7)
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To: JOPO

“Then there are all those “illegal” weapons out there; they can be recruited into the resistance, strange bedfellows.”

There are also those old guys, old meaning in there late sixties who went thru sniper school back when the equipment was not fancy, not expensive, just deadly. Like the Winchester Model 70 pre 64 in .270 Caliber.

I will be in Maine early next week to spend 3 days with one of them.


125 posted on 01/03/2013 5:03:14 PM PST by Matthew10 (spare the horsewhip, spoil the congressman Proverbs 32:7)
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To: INVAR

Baraq needs to begin the process by sending the ATF to disarm the Chicago ghetto. Next summer.


126 posted on 01/03/2013 5:04:19 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Psalm 73

Amazing how many have sold or had their weapons stolen in the last few years, why, I would not at all be surprised when I get home to Southern Conn, if my house hasn’t been broken into and my guns all stolen.


127 posted on 01/03/2013 5:11:26 PM PST by Matthew10 (spare the horsewhip, spoil the congressman Proverbs 32:7)
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To: piroque

” it will not be pretty .”

Watering the tree of liberty never is. Just necessary. Let us make a pac, it will not be our blood that waters that tree.


128 posted on 01/03/2013 5:12:16 PM PST by Matthew10 (spare the horsewhip, spoil the congressman Proverbs 32:7)
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To: dynachrome
Lien on your house. Bank accounts frozen. Credit cards declined. Drivers lisence suspended. Any work lisence such as contractors, doctors, etc. suspended. And so on. No need for force

This would cause me to kill.

129 posted on 01/03/2013 5:25:46 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Michael Barnes
Your basic privileges will not be renewed unless you turn in your registered firearms. Your drivers license for instance. Inability to obtain auto insurance because you no longer have a valid license. Since you no longer can bundle auto, home, etc, everything goes up for you! CCL's will obviously be the first target, immediate revocation. Any number of things that have been defined as a privilege (such as driving). Maybe you won't be allowed health care under the regimes plan because you are a threat to society in general.Extra taxes on you because you are a suspected firearm owner until the "state" you resides in can inspect your home and property at your consent.

This would cause me to kill.

130 posted on 01/03/2013 5:26:44 PM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Vendome

It will.


131 posted on 01/03/2013 5:48:31 PM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: wrench

Yes, you are correct. People don’t understand how evil our government is becoming.


132 posted on 01/04/2013 6:13:52 AM PST by bmwcyle (We have gone over the cliff and we are about to hit the bottom)
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