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Mars Meteorite May Be Missing Link to Red Planet's Past
SPACE.com ^ | 03 January 2013 Time: 02:00 PM ET | Miriam Kramer,

Posted on 01/04/2013 9:07:09 PM PST by BenLurkin

A Martian meteorite recently found on Earth may represent a missing link between Mars' warm, wet past and its present cold and dry state, a new study shows.

The meteorite — named NWA 7034 — is markedly dissimilar from other meteorites from Mars that scientists have studied on Earth.

NWA 7034 has about 10 times more water content (about 6,000 parts per million) than any of the 110 other known meteorites that have fallen to Earth from Mars, suggesting that the meteorite probably came from the Martian surface, as opposed to deeper inside, said University of New Mexico planetary scientist Carl Agee, lead author of a paper describing the findings published in the Jan. 3 issue of the online journal Science Express.

Previously studied Martian meteorites, known as the SNC samples, appear to come from a different, less explored part of the Martian landscape. They probably broke away from Mars after a large asteroid impacted a certain region of the planet. But this newest sample is more representative of Mars's surface

The meteorite's age is also of interest to scientists. Most of the SNC meteorite samples date to only around 1.3 billion years ago, with the oldest being about 4.5 billion years old

The researchers confirmed the meteorite's Martian origins using a process of elimination...Mercury wasn't an option: the composition of the volcanic meteorite didn't match the surface of the closest planet to the sun. Venus didn't fit either. Scientists hypothesize that that planet's surface is too dry to produce a meteorite with NWA 7034's water content

(Excerpt) Read more at space.com ...


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; mars; nwa7034
Gotta love it when guesswork turns into "science."
1 posted on 01/04/2013 9:07:23 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Funding must be getting low.


2 posted on 01/04/2013 9:10:29 PM PST by cruise_missile
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To: BenLurkin

” - - - The rock, which was discovered in Morocco in 2011 - - - “

Good find. Thanks!


3 posted on 01/04/2013 9:20:58 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Commune Obama"care" violates Anti-Trust Laws, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: BenLurkin

How do they know it’s from Mars? Does it have “If found, please return to Marvin” inscribed on the bottom?


4 posted on 01/04/2013 9:31:06 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: BenLurkin
Gotta love it when guesswork turns into "science."

Gotta love it when people ridicule interesting discoveries just because they're by people smarter and better educated than they are.

Seriously, did roving packs of scientists beat you up when you were a kid or something?

5 posted on 01/04/2013 9:36:52 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: rockrr
How do they know it’s from Mars? Does it have “If found, please return to Marvin” inscribed on the bottom?

Of course, you couldn't be bothered to click the link and read any of the actual article.

They know it's from a planet because it's too young - asteroids are all over 4 billion years old, but this rock is about 2 billion years old.

And the composition closely matches that of rocks sampled by the Mars rovers on Mars.

This was all determined after 6 months of painstaking work.

6 posted on 01/04/2013 9:40:51 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: rockrr

I asked the same question. The following is from one site I went to.

“(SNCs) They are distinguished from other meteorites by their young crystallisation ages, down to 165 Myr. A young age implies formation on a body that was still active (i.e., not totally cooled and solidified) well after the initial accretion and aggregation of the Solar System ~ 4560 Myr ago. In other words, the SNCs must originate from a planet-sized body, not an asteroid.

The mechanism by which the meteorites reach the Earth is by impact ejection: as asteroids impact the martian surface, craters are formed. If the impactor enters the martian atmosphere at a sufficiently shallow angle and with a high enough velocity, then ejecta thrown from the surface can escape to orbit the Sun as small bodies in space, prior to landing on the Earth as meteorites.

The martian origin can be deduced through a process of elimination, by considering all the bodies in the Solar System in turn. Several of the planets can be rejected almost immediately. Mercury is too close to the Sun to allow ejecta to escape outwards to Earth. Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are gas planets, and not rocky. The satellites of the giant planets, although rocky in nature, are unlikely source objects, since any ejecta blasted from their surfaces will not escape from the gravitational attraction of their parent planet. Pluto is a mixture of rock and ice, as are comets, and are not thought to have been molten. So we are left with Venus, Earth and its Moon, and Mars.
Venus?

There is a low, but finite, possibility of Venus being the parent planet. Venus is about the same size and mass as the Earth, and so has a similar escape velocity.

But Venus has a very thick atmosphere with a high surface pressure (~ 96 atms). In order for ejecta to escape the planet, they must have very high energies when they are removed from the surface, such that by the time they have traversed the atmosphere, the ejecta still have sufficient velocity to escape. Similarly, the incoming impactor must be travelling at great speed, so that it is not decelerated so much that it is unable to impart sufficient energy to the ejecta to enable debris to escape.

And on top of all this, once material has escaped from Venus’ surface, it must have the correct orbital vectors to thrust against the gravitational tug of the Sun, and travel outwards to the Earth. Venus, therefore, is dynamically unfavourable as the parent of the SNCs.”


7 posted on 01/04/2013 9:44:54 PM PST by plain talk
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To: cruise_missile
Funding must be getting low.

So this comment appears on every single thread on FR relating to a scientific discovery (in other cases, ususally with the implication scientists are just randomly making up information in hopes of getting funding.)

Scientists publish their results, and the interesting results are picked up and reported by the scientific media. Scientists that generate more interesting results get more funding than those that don't, just like Lawyers that win a lot of cases get more money than those that don't, realtors that sell more houses than others, chefs that make better food, etc.

I don't understand why scientists are somehow inherently more greedy or corrupted by the almighty dollar.

Nobody becomes a planetary scientist to make money - going through almost a decade of expensive education, at least, the majority end up with salaries trivial compared to doctors, lawyers, and b-school graduates.

8 posted on 01/04/2013 9:47:39 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: BenLurkin
Brings to mind this thread:

Half the Facts You Know Are Probably Wrong from yesterday.


9 posted on 01/04/2013 9:48:59 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: plain talk

You’d better be careful, a lot of people have an all-consuming hatred of anyone with any actual expertise or knowledge, or anyone that has any idea of what they are talking about; your post indicates this may be true.


10 posted on 01/04/2013 9:51:13 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: Strategerist
this comment appears on every single thread on FR relating to a scientific discovery (in other cases, ususally with the implication scientists are just randomly making up information in hopes of getting funding.)

The funding comments are mostly reserved for the quack science articles, which clearly this is not.

That said, the funding comment may also be entering into FR lore, along with "All your base" and "I'd hit it" and "Not Guilty" as a throwaway comment just to be the first to say it.

-PJ

11 posted on 01/04/2013 9:57:39 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Strategerist
Gotta love it when people ridicule interesting discoveries just because they're by people smarter and better educated than they are.

It's not that. Some people here (and on other conservative forums) actually believe the earth is 10,000 years old and anything that suggests otherwise is unacceptable to them. So they ridicule it.

12 posted on 01/04/2013 9:59:11 PM PST by Longbow1969
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To: plain talk
But Venus has a very thick atmosphere with a high surface pressure (~ 96 atms). In order for ejecta to escape the planet, they must have very high energies when they are removed from the surface, such that by the time they have traversed the atmosphere, the ejecta still have sufficient velocity to escape.

So how do they know what Venus's atmosphere was like 2 billion years ago?

13 posted on 01/04/2013 10:30:52 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: BenLurkin

Where exactly was the “Made on Mars. Do Not Remove Under Penalty of Martian Law” label?


14 posted on 01/04/2013 10:46:48 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Strategerist
asteroids are all over 4 billion years old

Dang, must have missed reports about the mission that surveyed all asteroids and determined their age.
Must have been a really ambitious endeavor.
Another wonder of science :)

15 posted on 01/04/2013 11:01:36 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: plain talk

“But Venus has a very thick atmosphere with a high surface pressure “

But 1.6 billion years ago did Venus have a very thick atmosphere then ?


16 posted on 01/04/2013 11:34:40 PM PST by staytrue
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To: plain talk

“But Venus has a very thick atmosphere with a high surface pressure “

But 1.6 billion years ago did Venus have a very thick atmosphere then ?

Actually, 1.6 billion years ago, it could be Mars with the atmosphere and Venus with little or none.


17 posted on 01/04/2013 11:35:40 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

here’s some light reading..

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/625665/Venus/54178/The-atmosphere


18 posted on 01/05/2013 12:25:37 AM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: Strategerist
This was all determined after 6 months of painstaking work.

I am sure no government funds were involved. Two Billion, four Billion, years no room for doubt there.

Speculation is not science and neither is shouting at skeptics.

19 posted on 01/05/2013 12:31:08 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Political Junkie Too

What about beebers and stune-ing your beeber?


20 posted on 01/05/2013 3:16:32 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: Political Junkie Too

Well I know that since it wasn’t made of CHEESE, it didn’t come from the moon.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 5:34:20 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: Strategerist
Yes. It was horrible!

Even today, the sight of one of thesegives me panic attacks.

22 posted on 01/05/2013 7:36:52 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Strategerist

I use to work in a scientific community. The VLA. Ever hear of it.

I’ve seen “science” twisted for political gain over and over again. Ever hear of Global Warming?

This particular rock discovery just happens to be one of those discoveries that seems suspicious. Finding a rock on earth that happens to be from Mars pushes the realm of Art Bell. Is there a made in Mars stamp on the bottom of said rock?

The last time we had a rock (found in Antarctica ~1995) from Mars was soon discredited and the particular department was scheduled to be unfunded.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 11:35:44 AM PST by cruise_missile
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To: cruise_missile

But but - it’s just not fair - don’t they know that cheating is hard work too?!?! /s


24 posted on 01/05/2013 12:55:03 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels

Remember last month when NASA was going to announce a revolutionary discovery from the Mars rover?

P.T. Barnum would have been so proud.


25 posted on 01/05/2013 1:28:21 PM PST by cruise_missile
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To: Longbow1969

It’s not that. Some people here (and on other conservative forums) actually believe the earth is 10,000 years old and anything that suggests otherwise is unacceptable to them. So they ridicule it.


Same types who think the earth is inside a giant ball or something and think the stars in the night sky are just dots of light shining through from Heaven.


26 posted on 01/21/2013 8:24:24 PM PST by chessplayer
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