Skip to comments.We, Too, Are Violent Animals
Posted on 01/05/2013 8:29:49 AM PST by Twotone
Where does human savagery come from? The animal behaviorist Marc Bekoff, writing in Psychology Today after last month's awful events in Newtown, Conn., echoed a common view: It can't possibly come from nature or evolution. Harsh aggression, he wrote, is "extremely rare" in nonhuman animals, while violence is merely an odd feature of our own species, produced by a few wicked people. If only we could "rewild our hearts," he concluded, we might harness our "inborn goodness and optimism" and thereby return to our "nice, kind, compassionate, empathic" original selves.
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Last I notice nature is very violent. Whence comes our violence and natures?
Sin, the turning from God in the Garden...
Whence comes our destruction as a nation?
Sin, the turning from God in Government.
I’m guessing Marc Bekoff is either a vegetarian or a vegan, and doesn’t understand what primitive man did to get to the top of the food chain.
Marc is full of crap. I've had catz fight bad enough to require a trip to the vet.
Male lions kill the cubs that aren't theirs when they take over a pride.
I've watched squirrels kill each other.
I shared a pasture with 3 bulls for over a year, and one of them had to be sent to the butcher because of a broken leg sustained in a dominance battle with another bull.
Marc is full of crap.
Real life isn't like a Disney movie.
[[we might harness our “inborn goodness and optimism”]]
In other words- ‘if only we coudl becoem our ‘true selves’ we wouldn’t need God or His morlaity because animals are by nature their own gods capable of complete morality’
The foundation stones of their belief system tell them that humankind is basically good, peace-loving, naturally communal & cooperative....
Man does not need redemption and transformation... etc.. etc...
The Word of God tells us that we are all born into an inherited sinful & selfish nature--
Lacking redemption & transformation... we might drone along for a while --
.....Even most of our short lives.... but eventually---
Unbelief our inherent sinfulness will cause the forfeit of our blessings...
As well as passing into death outside of the Lord's great promise (in Christ) has eternal consequences
An OT prophet brought the Lord's insight...
Christ himself affirmed this truth as God's view of unredeemed mankind:
They see the 1 and the 1, but miss the plus sign every time.
"The foreign policy of ants can be summed up as follows: restless aggression, territorial conquest, and genocidal annihilation of neighbouring colonies, wherever possible. If ants had nuclear weapons, they would probably end the world in a week." - Professor E.O. Wilson, myrmecologist
Chimpanzee ambush and warfare in the wild.
[[Last I notice nature is very violent. Whence comes our violence and natures]]
Animal worshippers don’t concider animals killing for their meals to be ‘violent’- they excuse this obvfious violence as ‘impashioned necessity to feed’ whereas they woudl argue that huimans are passionate when committign violence- animal worshippers even excuse cats who play with hteir food as ‘learnign important survival techniques’ and wouldn’t deem it to be torture, but these same peopel are very quick to condemn humans who would do such things.
You simpyl can not reason with an animal worshipper- they are always right and in their minds they are the only truly ‘moral people’ around, and htey feel it’;s their duty to edumacate us ignant evil people who have strayed so far from our original nirvana where animals were all perfectly moral and holy-
If thsoe peopel wish to think they are lowly ignorant animals, let them- they will simply deceive themselves right into hell though unfortunately- all we can really do is pray that someday the scales might be lifted from their blinded eyes- I was created in God’s image- not in some lowly insignificant animal’s image- if those peopel are cotnent sleeping i nthe gutter with lowly animals- that’s theuir problem- they are truly insane and deceived people
You are most correct. I've seen hawks kill rabbits all day long, despite not eating them. And why will a cat torture a rodent to death for fun?
I saw a documentary that showed natures capability for killing for very base reasons beyond eating. In the documentary, a pack of hyenas came across lion cubs and killed them. Upon returning and finding the dead cubs, the male lions (which dont usually hunt) pursued the hyenas for several days, caught up with them, and killed them all.
Chimp packs actually go to war with each other, and not just on the west and south sides of Chicago.
[[Marc is full of crap. I’ve had catz fight bad enough to require a trip to the vet.
Male lions kill the cubs that aren’t theirs when they take over a pride.
I’ve watched squirrels kill each other.
I shared a pasture with 3 bulls for over a year, and one of them had to be sent to the butcher because of a broken leg sustained in a dominance battle with another bull.]]
Unfortunately you can not argue with people as ignorant as Marc- because they are always right and we are always wrong i ntheirm inds- no matter what yuo throw at them they always have some lame excuse to explain it away- peopel like marc woudl argue that these are all perfectly ligit actions and woudl probably even argue that it’s a moral imperative that these animals do those htigns you mentioend because after all, it’s ensuring that the most fit survive to pass along hte ‘superior genes’- these nutcases woudl even argue that the naimals make conscious moraL descisions to fight one another and that they sacrfice themselves in possible battles to the death just sop that the better fighter will have the chance to pass alogn hteir ‘superior genes’
Ylou’ll never win an argument with these insane people unfortyunately- Even peopel like ken miller claim that human morality is nothign more than a virus passed along via colds when peopel cough durign hte colds- that’s how lost to reality these sick peopel really are- They are desperately tryign to prove that only nature cousdl have provided ‘true morality’ while the universal moral code we ALL abide by in one form or antoher htroughout hte world is nothign but a virus that is deceivign innocent people- peopel like Ken and marc are truly sick people- They are desperate to try to prove there is no God, and that God is not respopnsible for the universal moral code that we all abide by seemingly ‘instinctively’
Anyone who spends a few minutes even watching wild animals will note how they are ALWAYS in a defensive posture, unless they are already fighting or flighting!
This Kumbaya stuff - not sure where it comes from. Maybe Disney. Maybe childrens books, where the princess takes the thorn out of the lions paw, and the lion is eternally grateful for one of the best lunches he ever had!
This jerk needs to be chained to a tree overnight in my backyard... possible cougars, definite coyotes, once in a while a brown bear...
First possum that wanders by and he’d dump a load way bigger than the scat piles I see...
In a lot of ways, we're not so different from them.
I saw a video a while back that showed what appeared to be an alpha male chimpanzee set up for slaughter by his own troupe.
They led him into an ambush and sat a short distance away as the aggressor troupe passed them up and all went directly for the alpha male and killed him. The victim’s troupe sat and watched quietly then faded off into the jungle when it was over.
If we had chimpanzees around here, I’d never go into the woods.
You just ain't right. LOL!
One recurring annoyance with these dramatic news events is that self-appointed instant experts like this guy at Psychology Today crawl out of the woodwork to give spurious opinions to media people hungry for copy. Fortunately Jane Gooddall is still around to bring some sense to the matter.
Remember the scene in War of the Worlds “We’ll make friends. We’ll wave a white flag. Everyone knows what that means!”
Cut to: dust in shape of three guys on ground.
Remember the leftie who wanted to make friends with the grizzly bears? Cut to: dead vegan.
I suspect you are right. He's a biologist, PETA type, who thinks we can learn to be more peaceful by imitating animals.
do animals abort their own?
do animals choose to protest when game runs low?
do animals poop in the woods? Do philosophers and activists?
sometimes they step in each others..
is that mean or insulting of others.. or just life?
One of my favorite bear pics. The one on the right is awesome!
But you can tell by the focus that whoever took that pic got one heck of a lot closer to them than I ever would!
Maybe it was that nature boy dude who got et alive by a Kodiak a few years back...
Evidently he has never watched the videos of Orcas playing with their food (baby seals!), or of Flipper raping Flippette.
My little dogs slept through the video but when the chimps started getting vocal my big ones went on full alert.
Looked like they wanted to whup some monkey butt!
Nature has a way of correcting stupidity.
Kitteh iz BUSTID!!
This person has been watching too many Disney movies. Don’t they know that tomcats will kill their kittens. I watched Shrikes (birds) kill baby ducks. Dogs will attack other dogs not to mention they will kill cats and children. Rutting bucks will fightanother buck till one or both are dead. sheessshhhhh!
Was the Alpha chimp’s name “Uriah”, by any chance?
Either way, I would guess he was neither a Hittite nor a hitter.
Most likely the hittee.
Homo sapiens are the dominant predator on a planet overrun with predators.
We have come far from our animal origins. We still have a very long way to go.
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Soon after I moved into my current house (in the suburbs, not the country), I was unpacking some boxes in the carport. I opened up one of them, and the face of a devil from hell snarled up at me.
I didn't "drop a load", but it was a near thing. I made a leap back that John Carter couldn't have made on Barsoom.
Finally, I grabbed a shovel and chased the possum away. It went, and it didn't come back. But it left with its dignity pretty much intact, while I had totally lost mine
We have tons of them around here, and usually, they are quite timid. But once in a while, they will cop an attitude.
I remember coming home one night after dark and one was in the road in front of me, just going round in circles.
I pulled up alongside it, opened my door, and yelled “Go away! or something, the little chit looks up at me and hisses, then runs back in front of my car and keeps going in circles!
I was ready to run him over just outa spite, but after about the third circle, he headed off the shoulder into the woods.
You might be able to keep them as pets, but I tend to think they are just too dam stupid...
I daresay that the libs are wrong- man is LESS cruel than others in the animal kingdom.
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