Skip to comments.Parents 'Should Carry Babies Upright'
Posted on 01/06/2013 11:42:22 PM PST by nickcarraway
Parents should carry their babies upright instead of pushing them around in prams because it aids their development, a new book claims.
Jared Diamond, the Pulitzer Prize-winning scientist, said children could benefit from basic parenting methods which have been abandoned in the west but are still used in more traditional societies around the world.
Indigenous people living in the African rainforest, for example, use a variety of behaviours which developed over hundreds of thousands of years of human history, but which have recently become "unfashionable" in the modern world. In his new book, The World Until Yesterday, Prof Diamond argues that readopting traditional child-raising methods could help parents raise children with good qualities like confidence and curiosity.
He said: "It would be impossible, illegal, or immoral to carry out rigorous controlled experiments on Western children, in order to test outcomes of different child-rearing methods.
But a huge variety of different methods has in effect already been tested by natural experiments: different societies have been raising their children differently for a long time, and we can see the results.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...
Bunk. Pure bunk. Anthropologists try this crap all the time. We are supposed to feeeeeeeeel that these others cultures are better than we are for one reason or another. In the meantime, I’ll stick with my culture and they can stick with their jungles.
Keeps 'em occupied with their addled minds for a few hours an' prepares them for future LSD experiences
Except there’s something to be seen here: the [everyday] carrying of babies upright is, on its face, safer than laying down — this is due to where the pressures [think head & neck] are placed.
Jared Diamond is also the man who said that the development of agriculture was the worst mistake in human history. We would have been better and happier if we were still hunter gathers.
He lives in a different world than I do.
My rotator cup, however, prefers the baby buggy!
Agriculture is simply a stratification of pre-selected vegetables. A totally wild environment will eventually do all that it can to maximize use of available warmth, water and sunlight.
Yeah, screw those people and their belief in God, being against gay marriage, etc.
So we should wrap the babies to a board and let the women folk wear them on their backs as they work the fields?
You got a problem with that?
So the virgin forest babies are somehow better developed than USA’s?
“So the virgin forest babies are somehow better developed than USAs?”
Depends. They grow up to be independent farmers living in shacks while we have imbeciles glued to TV’s watching the Kardashians.
Yes, babies do like to be carried around so they can see what’s going on. But I agree with you, it gets tiring.
My daughter was really like that. I always remember the day she learned how to climb out of the stroller, while I was pushing it! So right away I went into a little shop and bought one of those harness things.
That lasted one city block. By the time we got to the next corner she was climbing out harness attached.
So I carried her, and carried her, and continued to carry her until she could really walk on her own.
I’ll tell you this - I’d have been hard pressed to do that if I was 40 years old!
My wife bought a thing called THE BLUE CARRIER and the grand daughter’s father can carry her around now ~ facing forward with him. She loves it. And, he can do whatever he’s doing and keep her occupied. It’s like a reverse papoose.
I AM against letting a baby vegetate in a carseat/carrier in front of a television, but packing them around all day can be rough, too. Been there, done that. It isn't so bad when their legs get long enough for them to sit on your shoulders--mine have ridden there while we were on a bicycle. (I know, bad Papa!)
How have we survived as a species? Now I have to live with the stigma of under development?
This guy ought to be forced to carry a young child around all day and all night for weeks on end, and see if he doesn't change his tune then.
” legs get long enough for them to sit on your shoulders”
30 years ago when I had a daughter, she started out in a “Snugli” (snugli.com). It was a denim bag, over my shoulders, that had her facing me, and her legs hanging out the bottom.
When she outgrew the Snugli, she rode on my shoulders as we hiked across my 200 acres to our pond on the back.
I usually put their little feet thru my belt loops and hang them from my hip. That way, it frees up your hands to safely steer your bike.......
No... Actually, I don't. As long as I'm sitting on the veranda, sipping my mint julep and playing with my iPad, I'm fine wit dat. :)
“I prefer to put’em in a tractor tire and roll ‘em down a hill”.
Someone owes me a new computer screen with that one. LOL!
I have read a couple of books....some interesting theories but all rooted in various moonbat socialist assumptions...
Make that Jared Diamond books....arrrrg
“It would be impossible, illegal, or immoral to carry out rigorous controlled experiments on Western children, in order to test outcomes of different child-rearing methods.”
When has that ever stopped anybody?
This guy gets published? LOL.
I can’t help but notice nothing about spanking, and don’t, for a minute, tell me they don’t do that.
Yes, I had one of those things, it worked great. A sanity saver, for sure.
If I did not have more important things to do today, I would love to do some detective work on this clown’s lifestyle. I would bet he does not forgo any modern conveniences and has a huge “carbon footprint”.
Jared Diamond is a screaming example of the “Civilized Savage” in the Sultan Knish article. He outright says that the savages in Papua New Guinea are more intelligent than Westerners, regardless of IQ tests, though malnutrition and disease loads could account for this.
His latest book is an interesting set of contradictions. We should have mixed play groups, babies constantly carried and allowed to explore more, like savages do. He says their way of raising children is more natural, so it should be followed. Then he adds the caveats that many of them have burns from being allowed to touch fire to learn to stay away from it, we shouldn’t have their 50% infant mortality rate, and the sex play they tolerate including borderline rape probably wouldn’t be allowed here.
“Guns, Germs and Steel” was a book with many good points, like how the precursor to civilization was whether you had domesticable crops with sufficient caloric density to be worth the effort and a farmable area capable of supporting a lot of people. Northern California and South Africa had great climate, but not much local people could raise to generate a lot of calories per acre. Papua New Guinea got crops, but lacked a large enough area of farmers to create civilization.
China, India, Egypt, the Fertile Crescent and Greece/Rome all benefited from local crops and animals to domesticate PLUS an ability to interchange information between civilizations. The Maya, Aztecs and Peruvians had crops, but almost now civilization interchange, hindering development.
Unfortunately, now that we have an increasingly global civilization, Mr. Diamond thinks we should emulate the savage because it’s more natural.
And who would be more qualified on the topic of development?
I remember the Snugli. We used one 20 years ago. It worked out well.
Had you followed my advice, they'd be perfect drones for the new amerika
(PS .. we homeschooled three of our five and my favorite response to the, "But they get no socializing" statement is;
We're producing Christian citizens, not socialists)
Good luck and God bless, momtothree
When I have kids, I’m just sticking them in a giant hamster ball. If you want to make sure they don’t get into too much trouble, just make the width of the hamster ball bigger than the width of the doors of your house. Going downstairs might be tricky, but I think they’ll get the hang of it.
They absolutely loved coming down the stairs, bouncing and whirling. After they got the ball down to the bottom and back under control, they would move back over to the base of the stairs and whine until I carried them up to the top again.
One of them still likes to go to the top of the stairs, lie down on her side, and roll down to the bottom.
“Depends. They grow up to be independent farmers living in shacks while we have imbeciles glued to TVs watching the Kardashians.”
Or, they grow up to be machete wielding members of Boko Haram while my kids grow up to be engineers.
Please don’t do that, muawiyah and I will come over and babysit for you...wont’ we mu?
We are already babysitting this morning ~ this kid is smart ~ she figured out cookies and milk at 10 months!
Dr. Spock said never to punish a child and look where that “expert” got us.
The Bible teaches us that we are made in God's image. This afternoon while playing some Andrea Bocelli for the grand daughter it came to me that I was wrong to pass by this picture and not comment ~ something ~ anything, so I thought ~ what would I be able to say to let a blind man like Andrea Bocelli know how utterly beautiful this picture actually is ~ and how I pray ~ as many of you must pray ~ that this young woman received the help she so desperately needed, and that all young women in a similar situation can love their young so much that they literally sacrifice their all for their survival.
The wisdom of the African clearly surpasses all understanding ~ we need more of it.
Let's hope that's what you meant.
I was out of line. Thank you for taking the time to reel me in.
Makes us just a little lower than the angels, and fully in God's image.
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