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Parents 'Should Carry Babies Upright'
The Telegraph ^ | 07 Jan 2013

Posted on 01/06/2013 11:42:22 PM PST by nickcarraway

Parents should carry their babies upright instead of pushing them around in prams because it aids their development, a new book claims.

Jared Diamond, the Pulitzer Prize-winning scientist, said children could benefit from basic parenting methods which have been abandoned in the west but are still used in more traditional societies around the world.

Indigenous people living in the African rainforest, for example, use a variety of behaviours which developed over hundreds of thousands of years of human history, but which have recently become "unfashionable" in the modern world. In his new book, The World Until Yesterday, Prof Diamond argues that readopting traditional child-raising methods could help parents raise children with good qualities like confidence and curiosity.

He said: "It would be impossible, illegal, or immoral to carry out rigorous controlled experiments on Western children, in order to test outcomes of different child-rearing methods.

But a huge variety of different methods has in effect already been tested by natural experiments: different societies have been raising their children differently for a long time, and we can see the results.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 01/06/2013 11:42:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Bunk. Pure bunk. Anthropologists try this crap all the time. We are supposed to feeeeeeeeel that these others cultures are better than we are for one reason or another. In the meantime, I’ll stick with my culture and they can stick with their jungles.


2 posted on 01/06/2013 11:48:46 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: nickcarraway
I prefer to put 'em in a tractor tire and roll 'em down a hill.

Keeps 'em occupied with their addled minds for a few hours an' prepares them for future LSD experiences

3 posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:31 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: vpintheak

Except there’s something to be seen here: the [everyday] carrying of babies upright is, on its face, safer than laying down — this is due to where the pressures [think head & neck] are placed.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 12:00:32 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nickcarraway

Jared Diamond is also the man who said that the development of agriculture was the worst mistake in human history. We would have been better and happier if we were still hunter gathers.

http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html

He lives in a different world than I do.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 12:02:04 AM PST by Essie
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To: vpintheak
Alas for your theory, humanity grew up in a time before the wheel ~ not after. My little granddaughter loves being held upright and carried around with her head as high as my own.

My rotator cup, however, prefers the baby buggy!

6 posted on 01/07/2013 12:02:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Essie
Vegetables are what food eats.

Agriculture is simply a stratification of pre-selected vegetables. A totally wild environment will eventually do all that it can to maximize use of available warmth, water and sunlight.

7 posted on 01/07/2013 12:05:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: vpintheak

Yeah, screw those people and their belief in God, being against gay marriage, etc.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 12:06:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

So we should wrap the babies to a board and let the women folk wear them on their backs as they work the fields?


9 posted on 01/07/2013 12:09:06 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

You got a problem with that?


10 posted on 01/07/2013 12:20:29 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

So the virgin forest babies are somehow better developed than USA’s?


11 posted on 01/07/2013 12:23:24 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

“So the virgin forest babies are somehow better developed than USA’s?”

Depends. They grow up to be independent farmers living in shacks while we have imbeciles glued to TV’s watching the Kardashians.


12 posted on 01/07/2013 12:31:16 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: nickcarraway

Bollocks!


13 posted on 01/07/2013 12:43:55 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: muawiyah

Yes, babies do like to be carried around so they can see what’s going on. But I agree with you, it gets tiring.

My daughter was really like that. I always remember the day she learned how to climb out of the stroller, while I was pushing it! So right away I went into a little shop and bought one of those harness things.

That lasted one city block. By the time we got to the next corner she was climbing out harness attached.

So I carried her, and carried her, and continued to carry her until she could really walk on her own.

I’ll tell you this - I’d have been hard pressed to do that if I was 40 years old!


14 posted on 01/07/2013 12:54:08 AM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307

My wife bought a thing called THE BLUE CARRIER and the grand daughter’s father can carry her around now ~ facing forward with him. She loves it. And, he can do whatever he’s doing and keep her occupied. It’s like a reverse papoose.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 1:03:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jocon307
We all remember the day this baby decided that she would like to surf so she climbed up on the rails of her basinette and made it rock side to side while she assumed a surfer position.

Worked, too!

16 posted on 01/07/2013 1:06:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: nickcarraway
Do those traditional child rearing methods include mud huts and dung fires? Come on...

I AM against letting a baby vegetate in a carseat/carrier in front of a television, but packing them around all day can be rough, too. Been there, done that. It isn't so bad when their legs get long enough for them to sit on your shoulders--mine have ridden there while we were on a bicycle. (I know, bad Papa!)

17 posted on 01/07/2013 1:14:47 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: nickcarraway

How have we survived as a species? Now I have to live with the stigma of under development?


18 posted on 01/07/2013 1:16:37 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: vpintheak
Yeah, it's a bunch of bull crap. Navajo mothers (among those from other tibes) traditionally wrapped their babies up in cradle boards and carried them on their backs all day. Not only did they fail to clean up the children until the end of the day from their usual biological messes, but the cradle boards caused severe hip disorders, often crippling them for life.

This guy ought to be forced to carry a young child around all day and all night for weeks on end, and see if he doesn't change his tune then.

19 posted on 01/07/2013 1:53:17 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Smokin' Joe

” legs get long enough for them to sit on your shoulders”
___________________________________________________________

30 years ago when I had a daughter, she started out in a “Snugli” (snugli.com). It was a denim bag, over my shoulders, that had her facing me, and her legs hanging out the bottom.
When she outgrew the Snugli, she rode on my shoulders as we hiked across my 200 acres to our pond on the back.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 2:52:15 AM PST by AlexW
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To: nickcarraway
Parents should carry their babies upright

I usually put their little feet thru my belt loops and hang them from my hip. That way, it frees up your hands to safely steer your bike.......

21 posted on 01/07/2013 2:56:24 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: nickcarraway
You got a problem with that?

No... Actually, I don't. As long as I'm sitting on the veranda, sipping my mint julep and playing with my iPad, I'm fine wit dat. :)

22 posted on 01/07/2013 4:23:58 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: knarf

“I prefer to put’em in a tractor tire and roll ‘em down a hill”.

Someone owes me a new computer screen with that one. LOL!


23 posted on 01/07/2013 5:00:46 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Essie

I have read a couple of books....some interesting theories but all rooted in various moonbat socialist assumptions...


24 posted on 01/07/2013 5:03:07 AM PST by Popman
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To: Popman

Make that Jared Diamond books....arrrrg


25 posted on 01/07/2013 5:07:18 AM PST by Popman
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To: nickcarraway

“It would be impossible, illegal, or immoral to carry out rigorous controlled experiments on Western children, in order to test outcomes of different child-rearing methods.”

When has that ever stopped anybody?


26 posted on 01/07/2013 5:08:03 AM PST by HomeAtLast
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To: nickcarraway

This guy gets published? LOL.

I can’t help but notice nothing about spanking, and don’t, for a minute, tell me they don’t do that.


27 posted on 01/07/2013 5:08:58 AM PST by BobL
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To: muawiyah

Yes, I had one of those things, it worked great. A sanity saver, for sure.


28 posted on 01/07/2013 5:18:41 AM PST by jocon307
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To: Essie

If I did not have more important things to do today, I would love to do some detective work on this clown’s lifestyle. I would bet he does not forgo any modern conveniences and has a huge “carbon footprint”.


29 posted on 01/07/2013 5:30:23 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: nickcarraway

Jared Diamond is a screaming example of the “Civilized Savage” in the Sultan Knish article. He outright says that the savages in Papua New Guinea are more intelligent than Westerners, regardless of IQ tests, though malnutrition and disease loads could account for this.
His latest book is an interesting set of contradictions. We should have mixed play groups, babies constantly carried and allowed to explore more, like savages do. He says their way of raising children is more natural, so it should be followed. Then he adds the caveats that many of them have burns from being allowed to touch fire to learn to stay away from it, we shouldn’t have their 50% infant mortality rate, and the sex play they tolerate including borderline rape probably wouldn’t be allowed here.
“Guns, Germs and Steel” was a book with many good points, like how the precursor to civilization was whether you had domesticable crops with sufficient caloric density to be worth the effort and a farmable area capable of supporting a lot of people. Northern California and South Africa had great climate, but not much local people could raise to generate a lot of calories per acre. Papua New Guinea got crops, but lacked a large enough area of farmers to create civilization.
China, India, Egypt, the Fertile Crescent and Greece/Rome all benefited from local crops and animals to domesticate PLUS an ability to interchange information between civilizations. The Maya, Aztecs and Peruvians had crops, but almost now civilization interchange, hindering development.
Unfortunately, now that we have an increasingly global civilization, Mr. Diamond thinks we should emulate the savage because it’s more natural.


30 posted on 01/07/2013 5:43:46 AM PST by tbw2
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To: nickcarraway
Indigenous people living in the African rainforest

And who would be more qualified on the topic of development?

31 posted on 01/07/2013 5:49:35 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: AlexW
30 years ago when I had a daughter, she started out in a “Snugli” (snugli.com). It was a denim bag, over my shoulders, that had her facing me, and her legs hanging out the bottom.

I remember the Snugli. We used one 20 years ago. It worked out well.

32 posted on 01/07/2013 5:50:58 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: momtothree
Look at all the time y'wasted teachin' 'em stuff and babysittin'em.

Had you followed my advice, they'd be perfect drones for the new amerika


(PS .. we homeschooled three of our five and my favorite response to the, "But they get no socializing" statement is;

We're producing Christian citizens, not socialists)

Good luck and God bless, momtothree

33 posted on 01/07/2013 6:03:54 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: nickcarraway
We should all aspire to be more like the wise Africans.
34 posted on 01/07/2013 7:10:45 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: jocon307

When I have kids, I’m just sticking them in a giant hamster ball. If you want to make sure they don’t get into too much trouble, just make the width of the hamster ball bigger than the width of the doors of your house. Going downstairs might be tricky, but I think they’ll get the hang of it.


35 posted on 01/07/2013 8:48:24 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman
Back when two of my cats were just tiny kittens and always wandering behind the bookcases or entertainment center .. and then crying because they couldn't seem to find their way out .. I purchased two "guinea pig" balls (hamster balls but MUCH larger). They loved to run around the house, playing bumper cars with our feet, the other cats, and each other.

They absolutely loved coming down the stairs, bouncing and whirling. After they got the ball down to the bottom and back under control, they would move back over to the base of the stairs and whine until I carried them up to the top again.

One of them still likes to go to the top of the stairs, lie down on her side, and roll down to the bottom.

Cats ....

36 posted on 01/07/2013 8:54:49 AM PST by BlueLancer ("Oh, man, that's a lot of Indians!" [LTC George A. Custer, 1876, near the Little Bighorn Valley])
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To: max americana

“Depends. They grow up to be independent farmers living in shacks while we have imbeciles glued to TV’s watching the Kardashians.”

Or, they grow up to be machete wielding members of Boko Haram while my kids grow up to be engineers.


37 posted on 01/07/2013 10:05:48 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Boogieman; muawiyah

Please don’t do that, muawiyah and I will come over and babysit for you...wont’ we mu?


38 posted on 01/07/2013 9:21:49 PM PST by jocon307
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To: jocon307; Boogieman

We are already babysitting this morning ~ this kid is smart ~ she figured out cookies and milk at 10 months!


39 posted on 01/08/2013 6:07:57 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: nickcarraway

Dr. Spock said never to punish a child and look where that “expert” got us.


40 posted on 01/08/2013 6:18:03 AM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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To: BO Stinkss
Mother and child ~ down to the very end this starving mother comforts and cradles her starving child, or a younger sibling.

The Bible teaches us that we are made in God's image. This afternoon while playing some Andrea Bocelli for the grand daughter it came to me that I was wrong to pass by this picture and not comment ~ something ~ anything, so I thought ~ what would I be able to say to let a blind man like Andrea Bocelli know how utterly beautiful this picture actually is ~ and how I pray ~ as many of you must pray ~ that this young woman received the help she so desperately needed, and that all young women in a similar situation can love their young so much that they literally sacrifice their all for their survival.

The wisdom of the African clearly surpasses all understanding ~ we need more of it.

Let's hope that's what you meant.

41 posted on 01/08/2013 3:56:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

I was out of line. Thank you for taking the time to reel me in.


42 posted on 01/09/2013 11:39:12 AM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: BO Stinkss
You picked the right picture for the wrong thing. That was and is a Madonna and Child portrayal ~ even down to the last erg ~ love!

Makes us just a little lower than the angels, and fully in God's image.

43 posted on 01/09/2013 12:21:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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