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Parents 'Should Carry Babies Upright'
The Telegraph ^ | 07 Jan 2013

Posted on 01/06/2013 11:42:22 PM PST by nickcarraway

Parents should carry their babies upright instead of pushing them around in prams because it aids their development, a new book claims.

Jared Diamond, the Pulitzer Prize-winning scientist, said children could benefit from basic parenting methods which have been abandoned in the west but are still used in more traditional societies around the world.

Indigenous people living in the African rainforest, for example, use a variety of behaviours which developed over hundreds of thousands of years of human history, but which have recently become "unfashionable" in the modern world. In his new book, The World Until Yesterday, Prof Diamond argues that readopting traditional child-raising methods could help parents raise children with good qualities like confidence and curiosity.

He said: "It would be impossible, illegal, or immoral to carry out rigorous controlled experiments on Western children, in order to test outcomes of different child-rearing methods.

But a huge variety of different methods has in effect already been tested by natural experiments: different societies have been raising their children differently for a long time, and we can see the results.

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1 posted on 01/06/2013 11:42:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Bunk. Pure bunk. Anthropologists try this crap all the time. We are supposed to feeeeeeeeel that these others cultures are better than we are for one reason or another. In the meantime, I’ll stick with my culture and they can stick with their jungles.


2 posted on 01/06/2013 11:48:46 PM PST by vpintheak (Occupy your Brain!)
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To: nickcarraway
I prefer to put 'em in a tractor tire and roll 'em down a hill.

Keeps 'em occupied with their addled minds for a few hours an' prepares them for future LSD experiences

3 posted on 01/06/2013 11:51:31 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: vpintheak

Except there’s something to be seen here: the [everyday] carrying of babies upright is, on its face, safer than laying down — this is due to where the pressures [think head & neck] are placed.


4 posted on 01/07/2013 12:00:32 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: nickcarraway

Jared Diamond is also the man who said that the development of agriculture was the worst mistake in human history. We would have been better and happier if we were still hunter gathers.

http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html

He lives in a different world than I do.


5 posted on 01/07/2013 12:02:04 AM PST by Essie
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To: vpintheak
Alas for your theory, humanity grew up in a time before the wheel ~ not after. My little granddaughter loves being held upright and carried around with her head as high as my own.

My rotator cup, however, prefers the baby buggy!

6 posted on 01/07/2013 12:02:25 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Essie
Vegetables are what food eats.

Agriculture is simply a stratification of pre-selected vegetables. A totally wild environment will eventually do all that it can to maximize use of available warmth, water and sunlight.

7 posted on 01/07/2013 12:05:08 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: vpintheak

Yeah, screw those people and their belief in God, being against gay marriage, etc.


8 posted on 01/07/2013 12:06:36 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

So we should wrap the babies to a board and let the women folk wear them on their backs as they work the fields?


9 posted on 01/07/2013 12:09:06 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

You got a problem with that?


10 posted on 01/07/2013 12:20:29 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

So the virgin forest babies are somehow better developed than USA’s?


11 posted on 01/07/2013 12:23:24 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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“So the virgin forest babies are somehow better developed than USA’s?”

Depends. They grow up to be independent farmers living in shacks while we have imbeciles glued to TV’s watching the Kardashians.


12 posted on 01/07/2013 12:31:16 AM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: nickcarraway

Bollocks!


13 posted on 01/07/2013 12:43:55 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: muawiyah

Yes, babies do like to be carried around so they can see what’s going on. But I agree with you, it gets tiring.

My daughter was really like that. I always remember the day she learned how to climb out of the stroller, while I was pushing it! So right away I went into a little shop and bought one of those harness things.

That lasted one city block. By the time we got to the next corner she was climbing out harness attached.

So I carried her, and carried her, and continued to carry her until she could really walk on her own.

I’ll tell you this - I’d have been hard pressed to do that if I was 40 years old!


14 posted on 01/07/2013 12:54:08 AM PST by jocon307
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My wife bought a thing called THE BLUE CARRIER and the grand daughter’s father can carry her around now ~ facing forward with him. She loves it. And, he can do whatever he’s doing and keep her occupied. It’s like a reverse papoose.


15 posted on 01/07/2013 1:03:24 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: jocon307
We all remember the day this baby decided that she would like to surf so she climbed up on the rails of her basinette and made it rock side to side while she assumed a surfer position.

Worked, too!

16 posted on 01/07/2013 1:06:30 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: nickcarraway
Do those traditional child rearing methods include mud huts and dung fires? Come on...

I AM against letting a baby vegetate in a carseat/carrier in front of a television, but packing them around all day can be rough, too. Been there, done that. It isn't so bad when their legs get long enough for them to sit on your shoulders--mine have ridden there while we were on a bicycle. (I know, bad Papa!)

17 posted on 01/07/2013 1:14:47 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: nickcarraway

How have we survived as a species? Now I have to live with the stigma of under development?


18 posted on 01/07/2013 1:16:37 AM PST by Artie (We are surrounded by MORONS)
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To: vpintheak
Yeah, it's a bunch of bull crap. Navajo mothers (among those from other tibes) traditionally wrapped their babies up in cradle boards and carried them on their backs all day. Not only did they fail to clean up the children until the end of the day from their usual biological messes, but the cradle boards caused severe hip disorders, often crippling them for life.

This guy ought to be forced to carry a young child around all day and all night for weeks on end, and see if he doesn't change his tune then.

19 posted on 01/07/2013 1:53:17 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Smokin' Joe

” legs get long enough for them to sit on your shoulders”
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30 years ago when I had a daughter, she started out in a “Snugli” (snugli.com). It was a denim bag, over my shoulders, that had her facing me, and her legs hanging out the bottom.
When she outgrew the Snugli, she rode on my shoulders as we hiked across my 200 acres to our pond on the back.


20 posted on 01/07/2013 2:52:15 AM PST by AlexW
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