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Have We Lost the War on Drugs?
Wall Street Journal ^ | January 4, 2013 | By GARY S. BECKER and KEVIN M. MURPHY

Posted on 01/08/2013 12:22:55 PM PST by Altariel

President Richard Nixon declared a "war on drugs" in 1971. The expectation then was that drug trafficking in the United States could be greatly reduced in a short time through federal policing—and yet the war on drugs continues to this day. The cost has been large in terms of lives, money and the well-being of many Americans, especially the poor and less educated. By most accounts, the gains from the war have been modest at best.

The direct monetary cost to American taxpayers of the war on drugs includes spending on police, the court personnel used to try drug users and traffickers, and the guards and other resources spent on imprisoning and punishing those convicted of drug offenses. Total current spending is estimated at over $40 billion a year.

These costs don't include many other harmful effects of the war on drugs that are difficult to quantify. For example, over the past 40 years the fraction of students who have dropped out of American high schools has remained large, at about 25%. Dropout rates are not high for middle-class white children, but they are very high for black and Hispanic children living in poor neighborhoods. Many factors explain the high dropout rates, especially bad schools and weak family support. But another important factor in inner-city neighborhoods is the temptation to drop out of school in order to profit from the drug trade.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; drugs; drugwar; warondogs; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd
The article doesn’t even consider all the “wrong house” raids and family dogs shot-—practices defended because their practitioners insist those tactics are necessary to fight the “War on Drugs”.
1 posted on 01/08/2013 12:23:08 PM PST by Altariel
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To: Altariel

The WOD have lost us anyway.


2 posted on 01/08/2013 12:23:58 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Altariel

It was the War on Freedom; drugs were just the vector. Making it normal for paramilitary police with faulty warrants to storm a house and shoot old ladies and fourteen year old dogs was always the objective. Protecting adults from the consequences of their free choices was pretty far down on the list of “benefits”.


3 posted on 01/08/2013 12:34:56 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Altariel

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2012/04/cheap_cocaine_why_are_coke_prices_going_down_.html

80-90% drop in cocaine price over three decades. The war has been won by the cocaine producers. We need a new strategy. Why not teach morality?


4 posted on 01/08/2013 12:38:53 PM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Altariel

>>Have We Lost the War on Drugs?<<

DUH!


5 posted on 01/08/2013 12:46:53 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Gen.Blather

Absolutely. Parents (and citizens in general) should teach morality.

Don’t leave the task to government employees.


6 posted on 01/08/2013 12:49:11 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Gen.Blather

exactly
drug use was going down until we get dopey, officials saying drugs were not a problem because they like to become dopes themselves.

Teens getting pregnant was going down until we get dopey officials not pushing no sex and respect yourself

Funny how drug use, dope heads, teens getting pregnant and those who love to poke feces witht heir penis are all getting their agendas passed., one would think we had an admin which were druggies, big into child sex and want to push feces further into a mans anus

oh wait we do.

If parents raised their children the right way instead of ignoring them and letting schools raise them along with the TV then the country would not be in the bad area we are.


7 posted on 01/08/2013 12:54:49 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Altariel
Have We Lost the War on Drugs?

I didn't take it. Did we misplace it?..........

8 posted on 01/08/2013 1:00:31 PM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Altariel

Expect the same tactics in their new War On Guns.


9 posted on 01/08/2013 1:03:37 PM PST by Argus
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To: Gen.Blather

Who gets to teach it?


10 posted on 01/08/2013 1:04:26 PM PST by stuartcr ("I upraded my moral compass to a GPS, to keep up with the times.")
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To: Altariel

All of us Prosecutors back when I practiced, and almost all of the police, thought the “war on drugs was absurd. It is a waste of time and resources and is like trying to mop up the Atlantic with a roll of paper towels.

Legalize it and educate.


11 posted on 01/08/2013 1:08:36 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Altariel

Anytime the Feds declare “War” on something, you know that the ensuing war is not meant to be won, but only fought. “War on Poverty” now has failed miserably but the money is in fighting it. And the control it gives the “fighters” over the lives of others. Same for the War on Drugs. It is hundreds of billions plus a lot of power for the “fighters.” Eventually people will understand the same for the “War on Terror.”


12 posted on 01/08/2013 1:10:03 PM PST by 2big2fail
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To: Argus

Yes, that is another effect of the War on Drugs—paving the way to encouraging the citizenry to accept the legitimacy of the War on Guns.


13 posted on 01/08/2013 1:11:05 PM PST by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Altariel

There was never a war on drugs, but a strategy to militarize the police and give the politicians a new were doing something for you mantra. It was an easy way to buy the loyalty of state and local cops. It has always been about money not drugs. If it was about drugs the confiscated money would have gone into treatment not new cars and guns for cops. It is the support your local police with drug money. Another federal head fake. See any less drugs on the streets?


14 posted on 01/08/2013 1:18:46 PM PST by A Strict Constructionist (We're an Oligrachy...Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Altariel

It’s nice to see how much attitudes towards the WOD have changed since I started lurking on this site a few years back. You’d have gotten a 10-1 negative response around here 7 years ago. Looks like that ratio has flipped.

WOD was never going to be ‘won’ in any practical sense, and it morphed into a testing lab for totalitarian command-and-control tactics.

We can’t even keep narcotics out of our maximum security prisons, much less off our streets. The harder we fight, the more profitable we make it for drug cartels. There never should have been a ‘war’ on drugs beyond education and treatment. And more to the point, not all social ills should be within the purview of fed.gov.


15 posted on 01/08/2013 2:07:50 PM PST by CowboyJay (Lowest Common Denominator 2012 - because liberty and prosperity were overrated)
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To: Altariel

Considering the fact that we can’t keep drugs out of prisons, I would say yes.


16 posted on 01/08/2013 2:25:02 PM PST by babygene ( .)
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To: Gen.Blather
We need a new strategy. Why not teach morality?

That is the only answer. The legislative battle to do away with drugs has failed completely as Prohibition should have taught us it would.

Just one more of Nixon's bad ideas [oh, how we loved him at the time, though].

17 posted on 01/08/2013 3:29:19 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people..)
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To: Red Badger
Did we misplace it?..........

In a sense, yes.

18 posted on 01/08/2013 3:30:40 PM PST by BfloGuy (Money, like chocolate on a hot oven, was melting in the pockets of the people..)
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To: Altariel

Exaggeration. There hasn’t been any war on drugs, yet.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 3:48:10 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Altariel

This writer is by definition Brain Dead, The government has been on both sides of the “War on some drugs” since the beginning. there are dozens of documentaries detailing Government Involvement in this War on People FOREVER, why do you think we Armed the Cartels and LAUNDERED their Money through the Fast and Furious Business Administration, or how about Barry Seal and Mena Arkansas, or since this is more recent, Just google “heroin” and see how our cities all over America are now inundated with HEROIN ever since we went to Afghanistan, which produces 95% of the WORLDS OPIUM. How does any of this happen without GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT?? It Can’t.. Anybody that actually believes in the War on Drugs is just plain stupid. Life is Hard, it’s harder when you’re stupid: John Wayne.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 6:44:43 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: Altariel

All attempts to resurrect Babel and its schemes of perfecting Man are doomed to failure. It doesn’t follow that our only other option is lawlessness. Whatever the War on Drugs—TM owned by one Mr. LeRoy—means to different people, sane attempts to ameliorate the damage of intoxicants are no more statist than other grasps for security in a fallen world. Evil men will use security as a wedge to grab more power, but I’m afraid that’s just the pickle we’re in.


21 posted on 01/08/2013 9:26:31 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: A Strict Constructionist

Don’t forget the imposition of asset forfiture, the crime of “money laundering”, and loss of financial privacy.


22 posted on 01/08/2013 9:49:51 PM PST by Mack the knife
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To: Altariel

The ‘war on drugs’ systematically federalized the local plice forces of all the municipalities of the nation.

It gave Washington, D.C., another hammer to control the States, through denying them any of this ‘new pool of money’, if the State did not swallow the federal government pill.

It allowed federal law enforcement agencies in existence then, and those created since, to encroach upon the unwary private American’s ways amd means of going about their daily business.

The ‘war on drugs’ has made many lawyers rich, while allowing their charges to live another day, and continue their illegal and deadly business, while making John Q./Jane Q. Public less safe, in their travels, their neighborhoods, their very homes.

The ‘war on drugs’ is married to ‘the war on guns’ in a zen fashion. While drug-related reportable crimes run rampant, John Q./Jane Q. Public are exprected to wait on The Nanny State for their ONLY means of protection, which is clearly anti-Constitutional. Personal expressions of self-preservation are being beaten down more and more, in the media, by elected officials, Congreemen and Senators, and even this President!

The Supremem Court has stated that the neighborhood police are NOT there to secure the individual safety of families and do NOT have the obligation to protect the individual American in their home.

Yes! The ‘war on drugs’ has been as much a national failure, as has the late President Johnson’s ‘The Great Society’.


23 posted on 01/09/2013 5:46:19 AM PST by Terry L Smith
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To: manc
drug use was going down

When was this?

24 posted on 01/09/2013 8:55:51 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: eyeamok
cities all over America are now inundated with HEROIN ever since we went to Afghanistan, which produces 95% of the WORLDS OPIUM. How does any of this happen without GOVERNMENT INVOLVEMENT?? It Can’t.

Government doesn't have to get "involved" for producers and consumers of a desired good to find each other - the market takes care of that.

25 posted on 01/09/2013 8:59:34 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: familyop
There hasn’t been any war on drugs, yet.

How would a war on drugs differ from what is now being done under that name?

26 posted on 01/09/2013 9:01:14 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

the Problem is, until We went to Afghanistan, Heroin use in the US was minimal at best, now it is Exploding in Every Major City, our Military controls EVERYTHING that goes in and out of Afghanistan.


27 posted on 01/09/2013 9:04:41 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: eyeamok
until We went to Afghanistan, Heroin use in the US was minimal at best, now it is Exploding in Every Major City

I don't think that's correct - can you back up your claim with evidence?

28 posted on 01/09/2013 9:16:30 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

just google it, the information is everywhere, just not on TV


29 posted on 01/09/2013 9:19:12 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: eyeamok
until We went to Afghanistan, Heroin use in the US was minimal at best, now it is Exploding in Every Major City

I don't think that's correct - can you back up your claim with evidence?

just google it

Sorry, YOUR claim means YOUR burden of proof - so YOU Google it.

30 posted on 01/09/2013 9:24:23 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: eyeamok
Just this once I'll do your homework for you: according to the federal government's Substance Abuse And Mental Health Services Administration, since 1998 past-month heroin has remained steady at 0.06%.
31 posted on 01/09/2013 9:44:39 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies
"How would a war on drugs differ from what is now being done under that name?"

It could be done in many ways. Armies are used for wars, so it would be a job for the Army. One way would be to soften a target up in advance of a real assault (not civilian SWAT but Army) with artillery or bombing. Then clear the building efficiently, exterminating all of the enemy inside, if any remain.


32 posted on 01/09/2013 5:27:17 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I could give a Rats Ass about what our lying government has to say, a simple google search yields amazing results

http://www.google.com/search?q=heroin+use+on+rise&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en


33 posted on 01/09/2013 7:04:48 PM PST by eyeamok
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To: familyop
Armies are used for wars, so it would be a job for the Army. One way would be to soften a target up in advance of a real assault (not civilian SWAT but Army) with artillery or bombing. Then clear the building efficiently, exterminating all of the enemy inside, if any remain.

Would this be happening on U.S. or foreign soil?

34 posted on 01/10/2013 7:24:44 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: eyeamok
until We went to Afghanistan, Heroin use in the US was minimal at best, now it is Exploding in Every Major City

I don't think that's correct - can you back up your claim with evidence?

just google it

Sorry, YOUR claim means YOUR burden of proof - so YOU Google it.

Just this once I'll do your homework for you: according to the federal government's Substance Abuse And Mental Health Services Administration, since 1998 past-month heroin has remained steady at 0.06%.

I could give a Rats Ass about what our lying government has to say, a simple google search yields amazing results

http://www.google.com/search?q=heroin+use+on+rise&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en

White Bear Township is a "major city"?

35 posted on 01/10/2013 7:28:17 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I find it amazing you have no sense of curiosity whatsoever, the link I posted was from my browser in linux, which will not work for those using windows, however if you just type the simple phrase “heroin use on rise” into ANY search engine yourself you will find hundreds of articles from Most MAJOR CITIES in America about the exploding use of Heroin over the last few years. I don’t expect you to remove your blinders, for that would cause you to question the very devotion you have towards our Government as a whole, and might actually be destructive to ones precious self esteem. But should you some day Dare to search out what the truth really is, you might just learn something.

I looked all this stuff up a Year ago after quite a few teenagers overdosed and died from Heroin in a 2 month period in Simi Valley where I have a home.


36 posted on 01/10/2013 8:22:59 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: eyeamok
until We went to Afghanistan, Heroin use in the US was minimal at best, now it is Exploding in Every Major City

Just this once I'll do your homework for you: according to the federal government's Substance Abuse And Mental Health Services Administration, since 1998 past-month heroin has remained steady at 0.06%.

I could give a Rats Ass about what our lying government has to say, a simple google search yields amazing results

http://www.google.com/search?q=heroin+use+on+rise&ie=UTF-8&sa=Search&channel=fe&client=browser-ubuntu&hl=en

From a link on that page: "according to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services administration [SAMHSA], initiations to heroin have increased 80 percent among 12- to 17-year-olds since 2002. More troublingly, young people are dying in greater numbers, too. In 1999, the number of fatal overdoses in young people between 15 and 24 was 198. Ten years later, it had risen to 510."

A doubling (roughly) of heroin use in a fairly narrow age range does NOT support your claim that "until We went to Afghanistan, Heroin use in the US was minimal at best, now it is Exploding in Every Major City."

37 posted on 01/10/2013 8:31:21 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Are you spacin’? Here’s my original comment that you replied to. “Exaggeration. There hasn’t been any war on drugs, yet.” And there hasn’t. There are too many effeminate exaggerations in political speech, though.


38 posted on 01/10/2013 3:15:02 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop
Exaggeration. There hasn’t been any war on drugs, yet.

How would a war on drugs differ from what is now being done under that name?

Armies are used for wars, so it would be a job for the Army. One way would be to soften a target up in advance of a real assault (not civilian SWAT but Army) with artillery or bombing. Then clear the building efficiently, exterminating all of the enemy inside, if any remain.

Would this be happening on U.S. or foreign soil?

Are you spacin’?

No, I'm askin' a question about your description of a real war on drugs. Are you evadin'? Or will you be answerin'?

Here’s my original comment that you replied to. “Exaggeration. There hasn’t been any war on drugs, yet.” And there hasn’t.

Not one that fits your description, certainly.

39 posted on 01/11/2013 7:15:37 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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